Didn't know the Economy effected me till now.

At least we have a loophole in Canada starting in 2009. We can open up a tax-deferred plan, purchase stocks, and any capital gains we realize is untaxed. We can contribute up to $5,000 annually (indexed to inflation). Any withdrawals are also tax-free.

Is that what you call an RRSP?

In the US, you can do something similar with something called an IRA, where investment gains (or losses) do not affect your income tax until you take the money out. For people below certain income limits, there is a choice of traditional (pretax money goes in, money is taxed coming out) and Roth (posttax money goes in, money is not taxed coming out). Traditional IRAs can also be funded with posttax money by those above the applicable income limit (the non-deductible contributions are not taxed when it comes out, but the gains are taxed when it comes out).

There are also similar plans, but which allow more money to be put in, that must be funded by payroll deduction and are dependent on the employer offering them (e.g. 401k, 403b, etc.).
 
Don't worry about the calculator I will get one myself somehow. I'm still managing to get a B in there (which is my only B otherwise I would have a 4.0)

My mom can't work more then she does now- she has alot of medical problems. My father has psychological problems/mental issues and hes seeing a therapist right now. Apparently coaching the wrestling team is more important then looking for work....

I will think positive though

- I have decent SAT Scores, a 3.57 cumulative GPA, ranked 7% in my class, have lots of extracurricular activities, and have competed nationally in competitions.
-Get free lunch now and all the food stamps has to go to healthy food or something to that extent.
-We are getting free oil to heat our house soon so I don't gotta worry about freezing every morning for now on.

So now that I have this "need-based" thing going on I should be able to get tons of money from FASFA that would put me through college. And I'm also thinking about joining the military which will pay for my college as well.

So my future is set- not a problem. Its just the ongoing issues I am having.

And my parents cut our Gym Membership got canceled today which is a blow. I can lift weights at a friends house though but not all the time.

Used to joke about being broke all the time but I never thought it would go this far ever in my life. It only happened in like 2 weeks as well- life changed quick. Though I always think it could be worse.
 
So now that I have this "need-based" thing going on I should be able to get tons of money from FASFA that would put me through college.

Remember that when comparing university costs, compare them net of financial aid, since it is possible that a more expensive university may be more generous with financial aid, making the net cost less than a university with nominally lower tuition. Also, check what proportion is grants vs. loans vs. preferences for on-campus jobs.

Also pay attention to the financial condition of the university itself, since a university with less money may become less generous with financial aid later while you are still attending. State universities may face funding cuts if their states pull in less tax revenue during a recession. A private university's budget may depend on the performance of its endowment investments. Donations may be less during a recession.

And I'm also thinking about joining the military which will pay for my college as well.

ROTC?

And my parents cut our Gym Membership got canceled today which is a blow. I can lift weights at a friends house though but not all the time.

You might be able to make some dumbbells or kettlebells by filling empty containers with water or sand. The bodyweight exercises forum may be worth a look. Also, if you can afford it, there may be cheaper gym offers (some people are claiming that Costco has 2 year 24 Hour Fitness memberships for $289) than the one you canceled. Or look for used equipment, since many people buy exercise equipment, do not use it, and sell it cheap or give it away.

Other ideas to reduce the money burn rate in your household:

Go to a library and see if they have Checkbook magazines for your area (web site , but you have to pay for content). If so, look around for surveys of which grocery stores are cheapest, and what various service providers (hospitals, dentists, optometrists, auto repair, house repair, etc.) are well liked and not expensive.

If you are not doing so already, try to do your best to conserve utilities. Turn off lights and electrical appliances when not in use, replace incandescent bulbs with more energy efficient bulbs (and/or use fewer bulbs or lower wattage bulbs in some fixtures where the reduced light would not be a problem). A water jug in the toilet tank may reduce water use, but that is only effective if flushing performance is not degraded to the point that you have to flush twice. An automatic thermostat may save its cost in heating or cooling costs in one season -- you can set the temperature quite low at night when you are under blankets, but have it come up to a more comfortable temperature just before you wake up.

Look into whether phone service can be gotten cheaper. If phone use is low, some prepaid cell phone services can be very inexpensive, even cheaper than land lines (see ). Also check your internet service. While I would not suggest going completely without (since the internet is very helpful in finding the best deals and otherwise saving money), you may want to see if there are cheaper ways to get it (perhaps even public access at the library).

Make sure the car is in good working order, including proper air pressure in the tires. Anyone driving should drive with anticipation of traffic ahead to avoid wasting fuel. For example, if the light up ahead just turned red, get off the accelerator and coast until you need to hit the brakes to stop for it, instead of racing up to it and slamming on the brakes. Combine car trips as much as possible, ordering them to minimize driving and doing them in a clockwise direction (mostly right turns, which involve less waiting -- some delivery companies route deliveries this way to save time and fuel). Consider walking, running, or riding a bicycle for shorter trips (bonus cardio exercise). You may want to shop around to see if other insurance companies (car, homeowner/renter, etc.) can give the same coverage for lower cost compared to your current company.

Do income taxes as soon as possible. If you have overpaid and are due a refund, file as soon as possible to get the refund as soon as possible.

If you get a job, make sure that it will not interfere with your school work, and make sure that the net after taxes and expenses (including commuting and any clothing or equipment you have to buy) makes it actually worth it.
 
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wasn't your dad able to collect unemployment until he finds another job? it's tough out there, but if he keeps trying to find one, eventually he'll get one. same goes for you. you just gotta keep trying.
 
wasn't your dad able to collect unemployment until he finds another job? it's tough out there, but if he keeps trying to find one, eventually he'll get one. same goes for you. you just gotta keep trying.

See the thing is my Father has told us that the past 3 weeks that hes being "processed" to another job location but really he got fired and hes blatantly lieing. (hes done this many times before).

My dad makes really really good money when he does work because he has lots of experience in the security field. He would get like $28-$30 an hour and work 50-60 hours a week.

O and security is the only thing he can do btw.

Also thanks tjl for the info

I'm still job hunting and looking around. I plan on working afterschool and weekends. My father has an interview for a job on December 8 (why the interview is so long away I have no clue).
 
Is that what you call an RRSP?

In the US, you can do something similar with something called an IRA, where investment gains (or losses) do not affect your income tax until you take the money out. For people below certain income limits, there is a choice of traditional (pretax money goes in, money is taxed coming out) and Roth (posttax money goes in, money is not taxed coming out). Traditional IRAs can also be funded with posttax money by those above the applicable income limit (the non-deductible contributions are not taxed when it comes out, but the gains are taxed when it comes out).

There are also similar plans, but which allow more money to be put in, that must be funded by payroll deduction and are dependent on the employer offering them (e.g. 401k, 403b, etc.).

No. It's not registered. In an RRSP, the money is tax-free until you take it out. You pay a withholding tax and then claim it as income for that fiscal year.

These new vehicles are like having a trading account with a broker, but you NEVER pay capital gains within this one account. EVER. Every cent of capital gains is yours. You don't claim it as income, either. It's pretty sweet ;)
 
See the thing is my Father has told us that the past 3 weeks that hes being "processed" to another job location but really he got fired and hes blatantly lieing. (hes done this many times before).

My dad makes really really good money when he does work because he has lots of experience in the security field. He would get like $28-$30 an hour and work 50-60 hours a week.

O and security is the only thing he can do btw.

Also thanks tjl for the info

I'm still job hunting and looking around. I plan on working afterschool and weekends. My father has an interview for a job on December 8 (why the interview is so long away I have no clue).

so why doesn't he just file for the unemployment so that at least he can get some help until he gets another job? i don't understand.
 
so why doesn't he just file for the unemployment so that at least he can get some help until he gets another job? i don't understand.

He just got an unemployment check today.

......and my parents are cutting our internet/cable soon :/ So I got into a fight with my dad today and told him how I felt and I was basically blown off- he didn't seem to care and through me out of the house.

Good news is I have an interview for a job at a gas station. Out of like 8 applications someone finnally called. Hopefully I get it.

And I have a meeting with an Army National Guard Recruiter Wednesday so I can talk about more of my options.

And Tony I'll look into your site later. Guess this would be a good time to get good at pushups and bodyweight stuff.
 
At least we have a loophole in Canada starting in 2009. We can open up a tax-deferred plan, purchase stocks, and any capital gains we realize is untaxed. We can contribute up to $5,000 annually (indexed to inflation). Any withdrawals are also tax-free.

That's what I'm doing anyway. I'm tired of paying tax. Temporary war measure my @$$ ...

I should have said "tax-FREE", not tax-deferred. I must have been tired ;)
 
He just got an unemployment check today.

......and my parents are cutting our internet/cable soon :/ So I got into a fight with my dad today and told him how I felt and I was basically blown off- he didn't seem to care and through me out of the house.

Good news is I have an interview for a job at a gas station. Out of like 8 applications someone finnally called. Hopefully I get it.

And I have a meeting with an Army National Guard Recruiter Wednesday so I can talk about more of my options.

And Tony I'll look into your site later. Guess this would be a good time to get good at pushups and bodyweight stuff.

oh ok. well that's good that he's getting the unemployment checks.

not to be mean or anything but that should not have been something for you to fight with him about. it's either cut back on bills or he's basically going to lose his home and you'll all be out on the street. i'd take a roof over my head any day over a stupid tv.
good luck with your interview, hope it works out for you.
try not to be so hard on your father, i doubt he's doing this purposely.
there are lots of people out there right now who are going through the same thing.
 
oh ok. well that's good that he's getting the unemployment checks.

not to be mean or anything but that should not have been something for you to fight with him about. it's either cut back on bills or he's basically going to lose his home and you'll all be out on the street. i'd take a roof over my head any day over a stupid tv.
good luck with your interview, hope it works out for you.
try not to be so hard on your father, i doubt he's doing this purposely.
there are lots of people out there right now who are going through the same thing.

The difference here is with jman's dad, it's a behaviour pattern. He's done it time and time again. And he's lying so he knows that what he's doing is wrong.

Jman, good luck on your interview. I hope you get the job.

I also hope your dad gets the job that he's interviewing for in December.
 
The difference here is with jman's dad, it's a behaviour pattern. He's done it time and time again. And he's lying so he knows that what he's doing is wrong.

Jman, good luck on your interview. I hope you get the job.

I also hope your dad gets the job that he's interviewing for in December.


well in that case it's understandable why jman got upset with him. sorry about the confusion jman.
i wish you luck too and hope he does get that job and keeps it.
 
Thank you for the support guys. I'm sure we will get through this eventually. If I get the job I'll start saving up for a used car so I can have something to get me to my job and back.

Its rough has hell because I have never been in this situation before but I also know that other people have it worse out there so I try not to get to negative.

I'll keep you guys update- lots of stuff happening this week.
 
Welcome to the rest of the world!! I was once a professional in the health field not rich but at least making a living wage w/ benefits & was injured in a gym working out after I had just moved to a new place. I lost my health, (& of course my gym membership) & tried repeatedly to get ANY kind of job but kept being fired for health reasons. I even got fired for being in the hospital! Yah, yah, it's supposed to be illegal in the US to fire someone for health reasons, but where I live,(CO) the employer can make up any reason for firing you.

I finally got SSDI (a tiny disability wage) the 4th time I applied for it (after paying into it since I was 16) that is based upon your last certain months of work so instead of the decent wage when I was a professional for ten years, my disability income is based upon the last months of working PT low-paying jobs w/ no benefits. I can't even afford the yearly taxes on my tiny cottage so lost the few food stamps I get for "having too much money" one month when I borrowed money from the bank that I have to pay back w/ interest.

I have been struggling for the last ten years since I lost my health, (just to put Ramen Noodles on the table half the time!!) & have to laugh when I see people on TV crying because they can't afford to get their nails done or hair fixed weekly (or a gym membership.) I've almost NEVER been able to afford most of that.

I've been working since I was 12 yrs old, first babysitting, sewing things for people & selling pictures I'd painted, then at a cafe AND babysitting+ while in school, and have almost always worked. Except for when I was a professional working 70+ hrs/wk, I've usually held down multiple jobs. (AND I'm physically challenged the last 30 yrs--OK I admit I didn't work the first couple of years after being unconscious a month after a wreck & having to relearn to think, speak, feed myself, etc. & lived in a nursing home.) I still work now, selling facial care & doing PT real estate work on my computer when I can. Oh yah, I am self taught for all the graphics I do on the computer--they didn't have them when I was in school.

If you are an ABLE BODIED 17 yr old w/ proven intelligence (look at your good grades) why aren't you able to help your parents out?? (Actually, you should help out even if you aren't able bodied) I hope you got your gas station job but if you didn't, start calling them about the jobs you've applied for instead of waiting for them to call you. When I couldn't afford a phone, I had to do that since they couldn't call me. I once was told few people followed up on jobs. Keep showing up & asking if things have changed--they will eventually if you are persisitant. If nothing else, ask them what it would take for them to hire you. Is there a skill you need but don't have?

Once I got a job because I started interviewing employers NOT for a job, but for information. I made it clear I wasn't pestering them for a position but just wanted 5 min. of their time to learn what type of qualities & skills they were looking for in future employees. (They called me two weeks later & offered me a job) I also always tried to send thank you notes after ANY interview whether it was for a job or not. Even the low paying ones. It freaks them out to get them, plus it helps them to keep seeing your name & if they need someone they might think of you.

If your dad & mom have physical/psychological problems & are unable to support themselves & you, they should be eligible for assistance. (if in the US) Tell them not to give up if they get turned down, but to be persistant. Social Security almost ALWAYS turns people down now the first time they apply for anything. Try offering these tips to your dad, too. Isn't it better to do ANY job (even washing dishes, if nothing else) than to lose the roof over your head or starve? I have been homeless before-it's no fun!

Good Luck!:action11:

olga p
 
Thank you for the support guys. I'm sure we will get through this eventually. If I get the job I'll start saving up for a used car so I can have something to get me to my job and back.

How far away is this job? If you can walk, run, or bicycle to the job, or use public transportation, it would be better not to buy a car, since the ownership costs of a car can be quite a bit (insurance, registration, maintenance, plus cheap used cars are often in need of expensive repairs). You do not want to be in a situation where, after taxes and other expenses (such as a car that you bought primarily for commuting to the job), the net pay from the job is close to zero or even negative.
 
How far away is this job? If you can walk, run, or bicycle to the job, or use public transportation, it would be better not to buy a car, since the ownership costs of a car can be quite a bit (insurance, registration, maintenance, plus cheap used cars are often in need of expensive repairs). You do not want to be in a situation where, after taxes and other expenses (such as a car that you bought primarily for commuting to the job), the net pay from the job is close to zero or even negative.

About a 20 minute drive- I live in country so theres no public transportation. My Grandfather told me once I get up to $1000 he will help me find a used car from good friends of his that won't sell me something that will break down so I have that set- just need the money first.
 
About a 20 minute drive- I live in country so theres no public transportation. My Grandfather told me once I get up to $1000 he will help me find a used car from good friends of his that won't sell me something that will break down so I have that set- just need the money first.

Before taking the job, calculate ownership costs of the car and commuting costs of using the car to drive to your job. Insurance costs (even liability only) can be substantial at your age -- you can get sample quotes on some insurance company web sites. Compare different years, makes, models, and trims of cars also, since insurance costs can vary a lot based on what kind of car you have. 40 minutes of driving (round trip) every day can make a significant impact on fuel and maintenance costs as well ( can give you fuel economy estimates).

Be sure that the job will net a worthwhile amount of pay after taxes and commuting expenses.
 
You'll get by. My parents hardly had 2 nickels to rub together but my bro and I didn't know until we got older. Its tough man. Imagine being your dad trying to put food on the table for you guys. Thats the hardest thing is being the person who is supposed to supprt the family and can't.

If its already been posted sorry I didn't read most of the arguing.:cool:
 
Good luck with everything Jman. sorry I was so hard on your father in my previous post. I hope everything works out in the end for you. You seem like a bright kid with a good future ahead of you. Keep pressing on!
 
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