Sport Cut the Dairy to Cut the Fat
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Hoss
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I consume over a gallon of milk a day, usually more. For the EXACT same reasons Arnold did. And you will sit here and tell me that it's bad for me? I've recently had blood work done: LDL/HDL, great. cholesterol, good. triglycerides, perfect. the list goes on. I'm ending a bulking phase about to start cutting down to under 10%.
What can we take from this you ask?? MILK IS NOT THE DEVIL. Dairy is not the devil.
Milk is a great source of fats, carbs, and protein. Calorie dense? Sure! Now here's where you assume that's bad... The ONLY reason that's bad is because people don't follow their intake, because people don't care. Now if someone was to plan the amount of each into their diet accordingly then there would be no problem. But if someone just started drinking more milk on top of their already horrific intake, OF COARSE that would be bad. Same thing if someone ate a bunch of nuts (which are generally a very healthy food) they would also increase their fat/calorie intake and gain weight.
In the end, milk isn't bad. Food isn't bad. People's diets suck. And PETA blows.
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Kent: My daily diet is very simple. All foods are raw and organic.
Breakfast:
- 4 oz oceangrown wheatgrass juice (WJ), with 1 tsp of 90 HU cayenne pepper stirred in
- 2 cups of fruit smoothie, which contains bananas and salba/chia seed, and a mix of other fruit, which varies day to day. Pineapple, apples, pears, papaya, peaches, mangos, etc.
- 4 drops oregano oil
- 2 cups RO water
Lunch:
- 4 oz oceangrown wheatgrass juice (WJ), with 1 tsp of 90 HU cayenne pepper stirred in
- Salad, which includes: 3 cups oceangrown sunflower sprouts, 2 tomatoes, 3 tbsp ground pumpkin seeds/mixed nuts, Spice for Life + olive oil as dressing (sparingly)
- 1 Sunza cracker, which is 2”x2”x0.25”, made of sprouted buckwheat and dehydrated veggies
Supper:
- same as lunch
Grand total: 12 oz of WJ daily.
Once a week, I will share a durian with my family. We make pudding out of it, adding frozen bananas, young coconut milk(?) and flesh. I have 3 cups of that.
That’s standard for me. I don’t count calories, fats, proteins, or carbs, for a few reasons:
1. Most of the things I eat have not been evaluated to determine their specific “Nutritional Information”.
2. The WJ, which is the foundation of my diet, contains 90+ minerals. Why is that important? Because your body is made of minerals, period. Think of the periodic table of elements. When you give your body that many minerals in a form that it can readily assimilate, it takes those raw building matierals and manufactures whatever it needs. WJ is an all-inclusive food. In fact, I could get away with consuming WJ alone, but that would kind of suck. I'm like anybody else. I want to enjoy my food, and I do.
The sunflower sprouts (SS) complement the WJ because they contain around 72 minerals and are 25% protein. With these two things, I get more than enough nutrition to build a strong healthy body. The best example in nature I can think of that lives by this and thrives is the buffalo. Pound for pound, they are one of the strongest, toughest land animals. They eat grass. Lots of it.
I don’t eat the grass because I obviously don’t have a system that can digest it. However, the juice is very easily absorbed into my system.
Here’s the catch: the first 6-12 months of doing the WJ is rough, because it puts you into a heavy detoxification process. The time spent in heavy detox depends on the amount of toxins you’ve piled up, and how much WJ you’re taking. Really, you never stop detoxing, because the very atmosphere has pollutants in it. I’m not going to get a sterile bubble to live in. I’ll deal with facts, and do my best.
I ramped up my consumption of WJ very quickly, to a high level. Most people couldn’t tolerate that. I’m almost 6 months into it, and doing quite good. The weight scale tells me I lost 6 pounds, but my measurements are consistent, and a look in the mirror shows that I’m not wasting away. I have excellent energy levels, and my skin is WAY better than it was before I started.
After the one year mark, significant improvements will occur, because the tear-down detox phase is tapering off, and the building phase starts. In total, it takes a full 7 years for the WJ to rebuild the body from head to toe, skin to bone. I have no problem with that, because I have committed to it for life, a very long life.
I no longer crave cooked food. I am still tempted by it, but do not crave it. If this doesn’t work and I’m not getting enough protein, why am I still fit and muscular, after almost a year of no meat? Granted, I’m not jacked like Arnie, but I never have been. My build is closer to Bruce Lee. THAT guy was a far better example of fitness than the Guvnah ever was or will be.
Breakfast:
- 4 oz oceangrown wheatgrass juice (WJ), with 1 tsp of 90 HU cayenne pepper stirred in
- 2 cups of fruit smoothie, which contains bananas and salba/chia seed, and a mix of other fruit, which varies day to day. Pineapple, apples, pears, papaya, peaches, mangos, etc.
- 4 drops oregano oil
- 2 cups RO water
Lunch:
- 4 oz oceangrown wheatgrass juice (WJ), with 1 tsp of 90 HU cayenne pepper stirred in
- Salad, which includes: 3 cups oceangrown sunflower sprouts, 2 tomatoes, 3 tbsp ground pumpkin seeds/mixed nuts, Spice for Life + olive oil as dressing (sparingly)
- 1 Sunza cracker, which is 2”x2”x0.25”, made of sprouted buckwheat and dehydrated veggies
Supper:
- same as lunch
Grand total: 12 oz of WJ daily.
Once a week, I will share a durian with my family. We make pudding out of it, adding frozen bananas, young coconut milk(?) and flesh. I have 3 cups of that.
That’s standard for me. I don’t count calories, fats, proteins, or carbs, for a few reasons:
1. Most of the things I eat have not been evaluated to determine their specific “Nutritional Information”.
2. The WJ, which is the foundation of my diet, contains 90+ minerals. Why is that important? Because your body is made of minerals, period. Think of the periodic table of elements. When you give your body that many minerals in a form that it can readily assimilate, it takes those raw building matierals and manufactures whatever it needs. WJ is an all-inclusive food. In fact, I could get away with consuming WJ alone, but that would kind of suck. I'm like anybody else. I want to enjoy my food, and I do.
The sunflower sprouts (SS) complement the WJ because they contain around 72 minerals and are 25% protein. With these two things, I get more than enough nutrition to build a strong healthy body. The best example in nature I can think of that lives by this and thrives is the buffalo. Pound for pound, they are one of the strongest, toughest land animals. They eat grass. Lots of it.
I don’t eat the grass because I obviously don’t have a system that can digest it. However, the juice is very easily absorbed into my system.
Here’s the catch: the first 6-12 months of doing the WJ is rough, because it puts you into a heavy detoxification process. The time spent in heavy detox depends on the amount of toxins you’ve piled up, and how much WJ you’re taking. Really, you never stop detoxing, because the very atmosphere has pollutants in it. I’m not going to get a sterile bubble to live in. I’ll deal with facts, and do my best.
I ramped up my consumption of WJ very quickly, to a high level. Most people couldn’t tolerate that. I’m almost 6 months into it, and doing quite good. The weight scale tells me I lost 6 pounds, but my measurements are consistent, and a look in the mirror shows that I’m not wasting away. I have excellent energy levels, and my skin is WAY better than it was before I started.
After the one year mark, significant improvements will occur, because the tear-down detox phase is tapering off, and the building phase starts. In total, it takes a full 7 years for the WJ to rebuild the body from head to toe, skin to bone. I have no problem with that, because I have committed to it for life, a very long life.
I no longer crave cooked food. I am still tempted by it, but do not crave it. If this doesn’t work and I’m not getting enough protein, why am I still fit and muscular, after almost a year of no meat? Granted, I’m not jacked like Arnie, but I never have been. My build is closer to Bruce Lee. THAT guy was a far better example of fitness than the Guvnah ever was or will be.
Iso,
I get hungry just by reading this.
You say that you lost 6 pounds but your measurements are the same. Wonder why?....Congratulations.... You Lost MUSCLE! and substituted it with fat which pound for pound is bulkier than muscle hence same measurements.
This sort of proves everyone's point that you're not getting enough complete protein and your muscle is diminishing although you're keeping up excercise.
I went vegan for 2 month this year and gained 10 pounds of fat just from the change in diet alone. Ok, going to cook some steak now to make sure my hard earned muscle is not going anywhere.
I get hungry just by reading this.
You say that you lost 6 pounds but your measurements are the same. Wonder why?....Congratulations.... You Lost MUSCLE! and substituted it with fat which pound for pound is bulkier than muscle hence same measurements.
This sort of proves everyone's point that you're not getting enough complete protein and your muscle is diminishing although you're keeping up excercise.
I went vegan for 2 month this year and gained 10 pounds of fat just from the change in diet alone. Ok, going to cook some steak now to make sure my hard earned muscle is not going anywhere.
Hoss
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Almost a year of no meat? Because you've been eating this way for nearly 6months, with low (not 0) amounts of protein. You think your body wants to give up the muscle is has? Nope, it tries to keep it, but with this extreme it will leave slowly. IMO you're at an extreme. I do believe their is a medial amount of this juice and whatnot that everyone should consider, but it IS unhealthy to cut out all meats. This is how the human brain evolved, from COOKED meat, and what separated us from the buffalo.
Moving back to the topic at hand, if you're so upset about milk, why not tell us how calorie dense candy is?
I saw the photos of you doing 'bridges'. nice flexibility, but i've seen anorexic women with more muscle mass than you. a lack of complete proteins will do that to you.
i normally NEVER bash on anyone's physique, but your 'raw vegan diet' is exactly what caused you to develop a body with very little muscle mass.
i normally NEVER bash on anyone's physique, but your 'raw vegan diet' is exactly what caused you to develop a body with very little muscle mass.
Ok malkore, you've forced my hand. The bridge pic is deceiving because the abs are stretched so far.
This is the current me, without flexing:
I didn't want to pull this just to defend my point, but a guy has his pride. Also, if you judge strength and health on bulk alone, you're off the mark. I know that you already knew that, didn't you?
How about this guy, Peter Ragnar. Raw food vegan. In his 70's. Bending rebar for fun.
Just wait a few years, and I just might give him a run for his money.
Hey Superman, you're right. We should stay on topic. What was it again? Milk? You mean baby food?
This is the current me, without flexing:
I didn't want to pull this just to defend my point, but a guy has his pride. Also, if you judge strength and health on bulk alone, you're off the mark. I know that you already knew that, didn't you?
How about this guy, Peter Ragnar. Raw food vegan. In his 70's. Bending rebar for fun.
Just wait a few years, and I just might give him a run for his money.
Hey Superman, you're right. We should stay on topic. What was it again? Milk? You mean baby food?
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Hoss
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Nope, you're underlying motive to try and make us all vegan.
Hoss
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It was a joke, so you answered your own question.
And, MOK, did ask if you counted calories or macro breakdown. He asked what you take in, hence asking you to count it for him.
Let us know when you start losing your hair.
Wow. Lotsa opinions here, and tangents too.
Isopach has a point about the wheat grass. It does a great amount of detox for the body. And the raw diet is extreme IMHO, but is still followed by multiple indegenious peoples the world over, whom by the look of their bodies little fat and great muscular endurance.
But on the subject of milk, I have to say that it is unnatural for ANY mammal to consume milk after the nursing phase has ended. By this conjecture, and knowing that homo sapiens are the only species living that does so, one must conclude that such consumption is not natural and could possibly be unhealthly. YET, as we have evolved and progressed in the Western World to like and enjoy milk, there are still things we must consider. Pesticides and rBST are two big culprits tha can lead to, well, you get the point. I have never travelled to Europe, but in South America (Venezuela and Brasil), you buy milk from an unrefrigerated isle, and it tastes WAY different too! And I like it better that what we buy here in the USA. My friend says that when Westerners go to Japan, they can't stand the way we smell (like spoiled milk), due to our bodies detoxifying all that dairy.
OK, that was a tangent.
Back to milk: I heard something about how light deteriates the nutrients in milk, hence buying translucent/transparent containers vs. cartons is not a good thing. Additionally, raw milk is much better than homogenized or pasteurized milk. If you can't tell, I'm an avid lover of milk (organic only though). If allowed, I could drink it like a cat, at every meal!! Sometimes I crave a glass of milk at the nightclub, but I get the most odd looks from the bartenders!! But seriously, can anyone verify how light affects milk and how US processing makes it taste so different??
Isopach has a point about the wheat grass. It does a great amount of detox for the body. And the raw diet is extreme IMHO, but is still followed by multiple indegenious peoples the world over, whom by the look of their bodies little fat and great muscular endurance.
But on the subject of milk, I have to say that it is unnatural for ANY mammal to consume milk after the nursing phase has ended. By this conjecture, and knowing that homo sapiens are the only species living that does so, one must conclude that such consumption is not natural and could possibly be unhealthly. YET, as we have evolved and progressed in the Western World to like and enjoy milk, there are still things we must consider. Pesticides and rBST are two big culprits tha can lead to, well, you get the point. I have never travelled to Europe, but in South America (Venezuela and Brasil), you buy milk from an unrefrigerated isle, and it tastes WAY different too! And I like it better that what we buy here in the USA. My friend says that when Westerners go to Japan, they can't stand the way we smell (like spoiled milk), due to our bodies detoxifying all that dairy.
OK, that was a tangent.
Back to milk: I heard something about how light deteriates the nutrients in milk, hence buying translucent/transparent containers vs. cartons is not a good thing. Additionally, raw milk is much better than homogenized or pasteurized milk. If you can't tell, I'm an avid lover of milk (organic only though). If allowed, I could drink it like a cat, at every meal!! Sometimes I crave a glass of milk at the nightclub, but I get the most odd looks from the bartenders!! But seriously, can anyone verify how light affects milk and how US processing makes it taste so different??
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LMAO!!!!!!
If you dont count protien, carbs and fat how the hell do you know if your getting enough!!!!!
LOL!
How do you expect people to take you seriously when you dont even know what your consuming?!
Texan - the only reason amimals stop drinking milk is because the mothers stop giving it to them. The mother will not be around forever and the animals must learn to feed themselves to continue the cycle.
If animals could hunt cartons of milk they would.
What about cats? My mate is a Zoo keeper and there are many animals which are hand fed milk for there whole lives to help them recover from inguries.
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Of course you don't need to count calories, you eat a few handfuls of wheat grass a day... if you eat like a rabbit, of course you won't get fat.
You answer proves my point. In the natural world, milk is only available through nursing. Having a human hand feed an animal in captivity is NOT natural by any means. And if given the opportunity, most animals will enjoy to nurse aggain, but by that point their bodies and digestive systems cannot handle the lactose. I have had cats all my life, and they love milk. But I have cleaning up their liquified feces as well.
But why are we arguing about this???
I'm a card carrying meat eater on the top of the freaking food chain!
I don't care if it grows, spores, sprouts, hops, grazes, pecks, oinks, chirps, bubbles, or crawls: I eat them all!! And so do you!
And vegans are so annoying they turn meat eaters on one another!!
Hell, I didn't know that "vegan" existed til I moved to California, and I don't care for their bunch at all. I was jst playing devil's advocate for the guy.
And I love milk like it is water!! Steak too!
BUT..I wanna bring up my question, since I am an avid drinking of that white nectar, so here it is again!
I heard something about how light deteriates the nutrients in milk, hence buying translucent/transparent containers vs. cartons is not a good thing. Additionally, raw milk is much better than homogenized or pasteurized milk. But seriously, can anyone verify how light affects milk and how US processing makes it taste so different??
I like the ones that Moo.
I'm just gonna cut and paste...
"Pasteurisation (or pasteurization) is the process of heating food for the purpose of killing harmful organisms such as bacteria, viruses, protozoa, molds, and yeasts. The process was named after its inventor, French scientist Louis Pasteur. The first pasteurization test was completed by Pasteur and Claude Bernard on April 20, 1862.
Unlike sterilization, pasteurization is not intended to kill all micro-organisms in the food. Instead, pasteurization aims to achieve a "log reduction" in the number of viable organisms, reducing their number so they are unlikely to cause disease (assuming the pasteurized product is refrigerated and consumed before its expiration date). Commercial scale sterilization of food is not common, because it adversely affects the taste and quality of the product."