Darth Pooh
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Why is it funny? I might have taken offense to that if I didn't know you better... like one would almost think it's silly that we would have comparable philosophies.
Counting Calories from Supplements
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Why is it funny? I might have taken offense to that if I didn't know you better... like one would almost think it's silly that we would have comparable philosophies.
ali2
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Alright - what I am coming away with here is that I need to track at a minimum my protein and fats and know that the carbs will fall into place.
For someone who stopped Weight Watchers b/c tracking points was a pain in the ass, this is going to be a huge thing for me but if I want to take things to the next level, I suppose I am going to have to grow a pair and get to work.
Now, as far as application goes, do either of you 'track' these numbers by writing them down or anything or have you been doing it so long you just 'know' what's what.
Is the protein shake necessary or just a vehicle to get it in you rather than eating an entire chicken a day? I am open to anything, I just want to get some ideas as to what works. I know my protein is WAY down from where it should be, I guess you could say that I am getting the bulk of my calories from carbs but it isn't like I am eating rolls or anything like that - it is more a matter of default in that I don't eat enough protein and I know my fats are not out of control.
Here is another novice question and if it has been answered somewhere else just tell me and I will go find it...what is the difference b/t just losing weight and cutting?
Thanks you two
For someone who stopped Weight Watchers b/c tracking points was a pain in the ass, this is going to be a huge thing for me but if I want to take things to the next level, I suppose I am going to have to grow a pair and get to work.
Now, as far as application goes, do either of you 'track' these numbers by writing them down or anything or have you been doing it so long you just 'know' what's what.
Is the protein shake necessary or just a vehicle to get it in you rather than eating an entire chicken a day? I am open to anything, I just want to get some ideas as to what works. I know my protein is WAY down from where it should be, I guess you could say that I am getting the bulk of my calories from carbs but it isn't like I am eating rolls or anything like that - it is more a matter of default in that I don't eat enough protein and I know my fats are not out of control.
Here is another novice question and if it has been answered somewhere else just tell me and I will go find it...what is the difference b/t just losing weight and cutting?
Thanks you two
Why is it funny? I might have taken offense to that if I didn't know you better... like one would almost think it's silly that we would have comparable philosophies.
Hahaha, I have no idea why I said that to be honest. I just like the word. That and most people I come across don't think so sensibly... not that I think you're insensible.
Cutting = boy term for losing weight
cuz they don't want to look like sissies
Use a progra like fitday.com and that will keep track of your nutrients.
Protein shakes are gross.. eat real food
cuz they don't want to look like sissies
Use a progra like fitday.com and that will keep track of your nutrients.
Protein shakes are gross.. eat real food
dailyplate.com, sparkpeople.com, there are 100s of free food diaries on the web... most of them pull from the same usda database - and they all have the ability to enter custom foods.. a lot of times it's a matter of how you're searching for foods..
Darth Pooh
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Mal - I have tried using Fitday - maybe I am just uber retarded or something - but I have a hard time finding foods on there...maybe I am just stupid?
Maybe...
I had the same problem. If you don't pay then the options suck for food choices.
Cutting = boy term for losing weight
cuz they don't want to look like sissies
Use a progra like fitday.com and that will keep track of your nutrients.
Protein shakes are gross.. eat real food
BOYS suck.
Lol... again, never offended by forums. Can't be... I'd have an existential meltdown.
Alright - what I am coming away with here is that I need to track at a minimum my protein and fats and know that the carbs will fall into place.
For someone who stopped Weight Watchers b/c tracking points was a pain in the ass, this is going to be a huge thing for me but if I want to take things to the next level, I suppose I am going to have to grow a pair and get to work.
Now, as far as application goes, do either of you 'track' these numbers by writing them down or anything or have you been doing it so long you just 'know' what's what.
Is the protein shake necessary or just a vehicle to get it in you rather than eating an entire chicken a day? I am open to anything, I just want to get some ideas as to what works. I know my protein is WAY down from where it should be, I guess you could say that I am getting the bulk of my calories from carbs but it isn't like I am eating rolls or anything like that - it is more a matter of default in that I don't eat enough protein and I know my fats are not out of control.
Here is another novice question and if it has been answered somewhere else just tell me and I will go find it...what is the difference b/t just losing weight and cutting?
Thanks you two
Not necessary at all to drink them. I find it easier than stuffing my face all the time. Mal is right, easier for most to actually eat their protein. To me, cutting = losing weight via fat stores. Whereas, people losing weight don't really think where it's coming from, muscle or fat. They just want to see a scale change... which isn't always the BEST thing for them.
And, I keep most of this in my mind. I keep a calculator at home and use it a few times a day to make sure I am still on track for the day (I plan in the morning my meals and macros).
well in my neighborhood they do... but...
it's usually the girls that do if they want to get anywhere
They should fall into place, unless you go hog wild.
The idea is once you get adequate protein and fats in, it's pretty much food for most people and they aren't going to go hog wild on the carbs.
That's not the case for everyone.
If I'm not chasing a huge cut or bulk, I'm pretty much on autopilot.
But the way I go about things is pretty simple. I first pick my caloric and macro goals, which you know how to do. From there I decide how many meals I'm going to eat per day. So if it's 5... I divide those goals by 5 and that's your per-meal-intake of macros.
Not all meals have to be dead equal, but it's just an easy way of doing things.
After a few weeks, you really get the feel for what adequate protein looks like. And if you're eating healthy foods and taking your fish oils, your fats are probably going to fall into place naturally. But tracking solidly for a few weeks will assure yourself of this.
Then carbs is always the wildcard. There are days I eat less than 50 grams. There are days when I eat 1200+ grams, lol. But tracking is never hard. Again, it's all about knowing what you're shooting for and dividing that by the number of meals you're eating. Then get as close as possible. We don't have to be splitting hairs here.
What I used to do for myself which really helped in the beginning (I've done this with a few clients successfully too and it's probably something like what we'll be doing with our Internet clients in the future) is create a spreadsheet. Each page will be for each macronutrient. So on the protein page, one of the items might be chicken. And we'll break it out by ounce. So you can go to chicken, and go to 3 ounces, and go across the row and see how many grams of protein, carbs, and fats are in it.
This makes it very easy to develop meals on the fly and you just keep a tally of how many of each macro you consume until you're close to your per-meal-goal.
Hope that makes sense. And that's certainly not the way you HAVE to go about things. It's simply an idea.
No, it's not.
Nothing really.
I mean, in both cases anyone with a hint of sense knows that we're trying to lose fat and maintain muscle.
Darth Pooh
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For as much as you deal with the same questions and/or complete stupidity on this forum on a daily basis, you assume too much or have an unrealistic view of how much sense the general public actually possesses.
ali2
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I really like that spreadsheet idea - that would be a great way to figure things out, especially since looking them up repeatedly is such a pain in the rear (for me anyway)...
I guess my question about cutting stemmed from my impression (at least regarding how I have seen it used around here) is that it was a different approach to weight loss, or something to that effect. That is just my ignorance but when you look at how weight is lost rather than just the fact of losing it, it makes sense to me.
I guess my question about cutting stemmed from my impression (at least regarding how I have seen it used around here) is that it was a different approach to weight loss, or something to that effect. That is just my ignorance but when you look at how weight is lost rather than just the fact of losing it, it makes sense to me.
Darth Pooh
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I've done a spreadsheet with calories before (one is hanging up in my kitchen cabinet for quick reference). I like to use calorie-count.com or calorieking.com a lot! Gives full nutritional data for specific amounts in grams or ounces with a nice pull down menu.
Cutting is really just a fancy way of saying SMART weightloss. And by fancy, I mean a jocks way. It isn't tough to say in a gym... "I am really just trying to work off my pouch" to another guy.
Steve likes the high speed approach to weight loss... and the plan he uses gives him that need for speed... but its still losing fat...
Dieting is for sissies
or girls...
Darth Pooh
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Dieting is for sissies
Dieting is for losers. Changing your way of life is for everyone. Wow, me getting all philosophical.
dieting = losing...
i think your philosophy needs work
maybe loosers
Darth Pooh
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dieting = losing...
i think your philosophy needs work
maybe loosers
What I mean is... if you look at it like its a "DIET", just a temporary change, you are more likely to fail and hence LOSE (not weight, but at your goal of weight loss). I know a caloric deficit is a DIET, but its more of a change of lifestyle in my mind. Kind of goes in line with that other thread about why diets fail...
Darth Pooh
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Or you don't realize how few people I truly believe have good sense.
Touche Sir.