Chillen with the TheGooch: Mr. Lean and the Calorie Busten Furnace!
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I gotta say you are a perfectionist, i wish i was. Well all ill say Chill is hope you can get by this problem
I just looked up a few wrists articles, I am interested in, and going to read on it, and see if there is anything in them that can assist me.
There is no hope, Big-T. There is only: I will.
Starts with proactive involvement. I will not stop searching, until I find the answer. Thus far, I guess I stay pissed, until I do....he, he. I hate the first set of Close Grips, I have to get myself all worked up, and prepared for the fuggen pain coming, and shiaaat, because I am just too stubborn to get straps....oh, boy!......he, he.
I am pushing 210 (on a tier, not including bar) on Close grips, for 6, and its a painful 6, I may add.
Wider or narrows grip, its the same, it simply does not matter. I do not get the pain on bench presses through.
Best regards,
Chillen
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There just getting worse (first set), the more I push progression, with this RP, low rest period-training, but still goes away the other sets......weird, to say the least.
Anyone have suggestions, as I brain storm this problem would be immensely appreciated.
I am off to take my In-law to her Doctor appointments.
Gooch, my friend.....Thinking about you, bro.
Hang in there.....we will get you ironed out.......be talking to you tonight on the phone.
See ya in a few, brotha...
Best wishes
Chillen
I waited by the phone like a lovelorn teenage girl...but alas, no one called :bncry:
I figure I'll start posting my meals once we get these numbers squared away.
I've been eating prunes or some other fruit per-workout, Cytogainer post workout and some type of whole grain with meals to fill in the rest.....is brown rice acceptable?
Apologize Gooch, didn't get home until about 6PM with Grandma, then called into work 7PM, and there until 9PM, then performed my lower workout program, when I returned.
There is nothing funnier than a 47 year old man and 76 year old woman doing the fitness jig, to 70's disco music in my home made gym.
We got her home fitness plan from the cardiologist (which has a staff of nutritionists, and trainers, and is quite a special medical establishment).
And, when got home, we reviewed it, and I was designated her motivator/participant/trainer, lol
I had grandma "shaken-it" to an old classic "Shake that booty" from KC and Sunshine Band (with me participating), for about 3 minutes, and then got her on my upright bike for 2 and half minutes, while "shaken-it" to "Staying-Alive" by the Bee Gees (cause.....this what she is going to be doing after heart surgery--"fuggen LIVING!"), and it was funnier than shiaaaat, and a blast for the both of us, LOL.......Loved it.
Geeeeeeesh, grandma......ya can shake it!..........Buh, huh, ha!
Bringing her the "zest" for life!....YEP!.......I am "living" one of the "primary" purposes of my fitness: taking care of my family. Now it happens to be my wifes, mother.
Her Heart.......is going to THUNDER and crack lightening--its so strong!
We then took a walk around the block, just talking, and being.....well, just friends.
This ROCKED.
Very special.
Then......well, worked called,,,,,,and poof! Off I went for another 2 hours.
But, I am TOUGH! Yep!....Got right back, and did my lower workout.
Then peaked in on grandma, when I returned, and she was sleeping with my wife, and grandma had her heart pillow next to her chest.
Priceless. Life and being as "one" with family.
Starchy Carbs like Oatmeal and LGBR, is fine--for now. Get rid of the Cytogainer (IMO) and replace it with a good solid food replacement, you simply do not need it.
Stick with the a large majority of carbs around your pre and post workouts, and longer-chain carbs (or complex carbs) during the day......for now.
Currently, we are simply "lowering" your carbohydrates, to see what happens, nothing drastic, nothing too complex, just a simple reduction, to see how you respond. You are very unique in a lot of ways, have a very efficient metabolism, and it may be all it takes. If not, then we can step into another method, after seeing what this does. We work with simplicity first. IMO.
What time is best for you 2morrow? I am off work, the only thing I have to do is go to the Doctor with my wife at 2PM (leaving at 1PM to get there). Or right now.......I am on an adrenaline rush post workout, so.....I am rather friggen Psyched (lol)........
Wes:
With the Close Grip Bench press, form is important, and the standard grip, simply isn't shoulder width nor just inside shoulder width apart. You will get various opinions on the width of the grip, from 2 to 3 inches, to 6 to 12 (as example). And, yes, the elbows are NOT flared out, but rather tucked in toward the sides of the core during the execution of the movement. The closer the grip (with elbows tucked), the more the tri's get isolated, though the chest still does get recruited somewhat. Having pain during the execution isn't uncommon, because with the elbows tucked, and width narrowed, it puts the wrists at a rather awkward angle on the straight bar.
Its just weird that its on the first set, and not the others. I have to get myself worked up (screaming and shiaat...he, he) for the first set, cause' I know the pain is coming....
. It hasn't caused me any functional problems (or this exercise would be long gone by now, if I couldn't figure out a solution).Best wishes
Chillen
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If their was a cambered LB (titled down in the middle where the hands go) specifically for Close Grips (which would change the angle of the wrists), this more than likely would help.
I may have to simply resort to wrists straps, and quite being so stubborn all the time. Geesh....I am a stubborn old man.
Thanks for your response Wes, and if you come up with any more ideas, thoughts, etc, let me know.
Chillen
Chillen, I think I'll be home all day. The only time I won't be able to talk is when I'm doing my cardio...I'll do that A little after lunch time. ...and it hit me last night: I think you're on Central time right? I'm on Eastern so It's an hour later here.
OK, I'll drop the cytogainer. It's just going to be that much harder to get my calories in. As it is I feel like I'm going to puke after my evening snack.
..And most importantly: Have you even heard of someone's body trying to rebel against this type of diet and actually retain water? I'm all the way back to 193 this morning and my hands are swollen. I noticed yesterday I could hardly get my wedding ring off to lift and today I can just feel the swelling
P.S.
I can use whey right? I was thinking about getting some. I ate like 3 lbs of meat yesterday which sounds great, but *ugh*
OK, I'll drop the cytogainer. It's just going to be that much harder to get my calories in. As it is I feel like I'm going to puke after my evening snack.
..And most importantly: Have you even heard of someone's body trying to rebel against this type of diet and actually retain water? I'm all the way back to 193 this morning and my hands are swollen. I noticed yesterday I could hardly get my wedding ring off to lift and today I can just feel the swelling
P.S.
I can use whey right? I was thinking about getting some. I ate like 3 lbs of meat yesterday which sounds great, but *ugh*
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OK, I did forget you are Eastern time, and an hour later, I will keep that in mind. I keep rather strange hours
)), cause, well, I am rather hyper (uh, no one figured that one out, yet, he, he).As far as your diet goes:
Personally, I would prefer you not drinking your food (for the large part-during the day), with the exception, where its more beneficial: Such as pre and post workout, where digestion time is lowered through drinking Whey Protein Powder (as an example), thus it gets to the areas of the body (where needed) much faster. If you find it difficult getting hard food protein sources, then (of course) Whey Protein Powder is fine to replace it.
Consuming hard wholesome good food, without any supplements other than, Whey Protein Powder (mainly Protein, very little carbohydrates), and Fish/Flax oil (EFA's). If you wish, you can take Creatine. However, I would prefer if you would select Creatine EE. If you were dropping/gaining water, I do not want (Mono) mucking the waters (at least in my opinion, at the moment).
I assume you are logging your food consumption (calories, nutrients, and when eating them). If you're energy levels are dropping these things are important:
1. The content of your multiple meals during the day. How often do you eat, Gooch?
When you get up in the AM, Blood Sugar is low, after several hours of not eating, etc. Here you need (IMO) two types of Carbohydrates (within your limit (unless later the fructose proves to be a problem). A quick absorbing (raise blood sugar or higher GI), and slow absorbing and releasing (like oatmeal), and a protein (30+ grams, a good source of your choice). Drink water first, several glasses. Become a water tank, Gooch
)), seriously.Do you drink coffee? Coffee as good as it is is a two prong problem/benefit: Its a diuretic and a stimulant. A few cups a day, this will not be too much of a problem. Let me know on how much you drink, and when you drink it. May even work on some timing of it.
Currently, I am not too concerned with mixing and matching Carbohydrates with Fats, with simply lowering your carbohydrates from the normal intake. So you should strive in your morning meal, to have the big three nutrients, if at all possible.
So the morning meal should contain a fructose item (banana, apple, etc, etc), complex carbohydrate, and protein and fats (good time for flax/fish oil).
During the day spread your carbohydrates out (mostly complex varieties, and "starchy choices--are okay at the present", with your pre-and post workouts being the main focus point, to replenish (to a degree...) what was used.
Which brings the next, point.....
2. Your pre and post Carbohydrates, and water consumption.
You have two problems effecting your energy levels: 1. Your lowering of carbohydrates (uh, no brainer, eh?
), 2. The amount of carbohydrates burned during exercise, and the amount replacing what has been used. Therefore, this is the cornerstone for you at--the moment, and IF we have to lower them some more.
I am going to locate, what I use (and modified, to figure an "approximate" (keeping things equal) the amount of carbohydrates being used during weight training sets, when I go low carbohydrates. Its just an "estimator", and can give an approximate idea of one's glucose depletion and "approximate status" (with everything else considered). It came from one of Lyle McDonald's books.......
I will post it here, so be looking for an EDIT in this post.
The main focus, is to restore what you can, but not all it. So, your energy levels are going to be effected, no way around it......deal with it. This will change, once your body adapts.
IMO, Glucose depletion (or one's bucket) is important when cutting/leaning down--post calorie deficit "only" attempts.
So here you want your quick carbohydrates, and quick protein (whey powder). Fruits (blender anyone?) of your choice, and other fructose choices are good. Plan MOST OF YOUR CARBS HERE!
So, examine your carbohydrate intake, spread them out during the day, but make the pre and post workouts---the main carbohydrate focus point.
By the way, you think you are doing cardio on (what ever the machine is your doing it on), now?
Wait until I examine and change your weight routine.
Believe me, your cardio is a baby in a baby carriage as compared to your intense weight training routine....its your cardio-bunny.......or will be.
Your cardio may even be dropped, once the Weight Training Routine is set up properly (intense, short rest periods, stations, working from one to the other, etc, etc)......
Cardio is very good........do not get me wrong, has many benefits in health, weight loss, etc.........but it is also.....very over rated.
Any hoot.......
Gooch......You are in store for a major over-haul.......if you want lean and mean.
Best wishes
Chillen
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I definitel;y log my food. I eat about six times a day. I've been eating steel cut oats with PB for breakfast. I'll start adding a fruit and more protein.
I drink coffee once a a day, sometimes twice (12 oz strong coffee at a time)
I just do cardio for heart health. I have bad genetics for overall health. Everything I do just keeps my bp and blood panel markers in the "OK" range. Maybe being under 10% body fat will help some of that
I drink coffee once a a day, sometimes twice (12 oz strong coffee at a time)
I just do cardio for heart health. I have bad genetics for overall health. Everything I do just keeps my bp and blood panel markers in the "OK" range. Maybe being under 10% body fat will help some of that
Well, logically, the Workout is missing, and recovery is the key issue (as much as possible, when lowering carbohydrates--and eventually, if necessary, calories). The main issue on these days, is to keep your blood sugar stable, and spacing out your carbohydrates during the day, avoiding higher GI Carbohydrates (other than in the morning). Eat mainly whole grains, veggies, etc (other complex carbohydrates), and always accompany it with the other nutrients. What is your fiber intake? A lot of sources recommend 15 to 20, but I disagree. It should be around 35+ grams (ball park, from food: Broccoli, etc, and/or supplement--which I didn't mention, a fiber supplement is fine).
You are not going to have a period (other than the morning after you sleep), that is "primed" for carbohydrate intake (like pre and post workout periods), so its best to space out your carbohydrates (during the day with complex sources) within your alloted amount, in the attempt to keep your energy up (as possible), and prevent up and down swings in your blood sugar levels (which effects mood, and efficiency in energy levels, and feeling).
We are just messing with a lower number, to see what happens--dependent on this, depends on what we do next. I have to just figure out your beastly metabolism.
Off to take my wife to her DR. Appointment, I will be back later this afternoon. I will post my diet, and other notes pertaining to myself. Post the time I am going to call you (your time--one hour later), and we can discuss your workout, and other issues.
Going to be weird hearing each other's voices, lol......
Best wishes
Chillen
OK, the first couple days of dropping my carbs I lost a little water weight, but since then I have gained that back plus 1 lb....all while eating the amount of calories I would normally cut at with higher carb diet.
So, a weird idea popped into my head. What if instead of actually having a super high metabolism I actually have some type of malabsorption issue with carbohydrates, so only a portion of the calories I eat from carbs are processed by my body...is this possible?
This would explain a few things:
1. My apparent abnormally high metabolism
2. The fact that I'm gaining weight on this diet (I've replaced some of my carbs with proteins and fats and my body is getting the full force of those calories)
3. The fact that on a higher carb diet I was in the bathroom sometimes more that 4 times a day ie things were going right through me
If this is true, on a low carb diet I would need fewer calories (maybe this is wishful thinking because I'm sick to my stomach half the time from force feeding myself.
Is this really possible?
UPDATE:
Just googled carbohydrate malabsorption symptoms:
1. painful bloating and distension- check My stomach kills me from this all the time...and my waist measurement can change by a couple inches throughout the day
2. fatigue-check. I usually manage to get fired up for workouts, but I'm wiped the rest of the day. I could go to sleep right now
3. excessive flatulence- check-just ask my poor wife
4. trouble gaining weight or having to eat a large amount of calories to gain weight-check
The only symptom I don't have is diarrhea
So, a weird idea popped into my head. What if instead of actually having a super high metabolism I actually have some type of malabsorption issue with carbohydrates, so only a portion of the calories I eat from carbs are processed by my body...is this possible?
This would explain a few things:
1. My apparent abnormally high metabolism
2. The fact that I'm gaining weight on this diet (I've replaced some of my carbs with proteins and fats and my body is getting the full force of those calories)
3. The fact that on a higher carb diet I was in the bathroom sometimes more that 4 times a day ie things were going right through me
If this is true, on a low carb diet I would need fewer calories (maybe this is wishful thinking because I'm sick to my stomach half the time from force feeding myself.
Is this really possible?
UPDATE:
Just googled carbohydrate malabsorption symptoms:
1. painful bloating and distension- check My stomach kills me from this all the time...and my waist measurement can change by a couple inches throughout the day
2. fatigue-check. I usually manage to get fired up for workouts, but I'm wiped the rest of the day. I could go to sleep right now
3. excessive flatulence- check-just ask my poor wife
4. trouble gaining weight or having to eat a large amount of calories to gain weight-check
The only symptom I don't have is diarrhea
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