Chillen with the TheGooch: Mr. Lean and the Calorie Busten Furnace!

Chillen's Main Status Page
(Updated Regularly-Check Often)​


Note: This is the main status page, and will answer some basic questions--all in one place within the journal.

This will save a person from having to weed through several pages, just to get a small piece of information they want (a common problem with journals).

I may have edit it from time to time, as problems creep up with its design, but I believe its a good idea.

It will contain a brief description of who I am and personal history, my starting time and physique position, schedule of my training routine, what this training is, Diet, problems I am experiencing, etc, etc.

I will be more open, then I generally am with it, in the hopes it will assist another person.

Gooch and I are very "serious" about our fitness goals, and we WILL meet our goals by working together as a "team", and will simply do what needs to be done, to see that this happens.

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Personal Brief:
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Name: Chillen
Age: 47 years young
Height: 5' 7" (Short Sh@t, :))

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Starting Statistics (Personal History):

The progress I have made (however slight) didn't come overnight.
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Early 2006: (First Fitness Goal Attempt)

Starting Weight 2006: 190 pounds (approximate), "very fat", overweight with man boobs. Body fat very high. Didn't check so not sure on Percentage.

Ending Weight May-June 2007: 152-154 pounds, over 40+ approximate pounds lost.

Ending Body Fat June 2007: 8% (DEXA)

Goal met: Defined ab core, maintaining/building as much muscle--as possible. Reduce back pain, take care of health and dexterity to be in a position to provide care for my wife as we get older.

Picture here (for those that are new):

See dated IMAGES (pics removed from journal)

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June 2007

Weight Starting: 152-154 pounds
Body Fat: 8%

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July 2008 (approximately):

Ending approximate weight: 161-162 pounds
Body Fat: 7.8%

Goal Met: One year (approximately) on a careful bulk to "net" a 7-8 pound increase in overall weight, and dip under 8% Body fat.

Picture (for those that are new and do not know me):

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Current Goal:

Start Month: October 2008

"Projected" End: July-August 09

Weight Starting: 161-162 pounds
Body Fat Starting: 7.8% (DEXA)

Projected Weight Ending: 171-172 pounds (net)
Projected Body Fat Ending: 8%

One year to gain 8 to 10 pounds of added quality tissue, and lean back down to about 8% body fat.

Pictures as I progress in bulk:

(Will be updated, regularly, and is something I haven't done on the forum in the past)

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Current Statistics (Updated/Modified Often):
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Current Weight: 166-167 pounds
Projected weight at End of This Week, December 14th: 168.5 to 169 pounds.

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Supplements Currently (to save the question):
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If this changes (and I doubt it), I will post it here.

1. Whey Protein Powder

Used only around Pre and Post Workouts; however, sometimes, I modify this. Low carb version, 150 calories per serving, and about 25 grams of Protein.

2. Flax/Fish Oil

3. Fiber Supplement

4. Creatine Matrix

Three times a day. In morning when I first get up, and Pre and Post Workouts. This is the first time experimenting with Creatine.

5. Vitamin Supplement
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Training Routine and Information:​
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(Still adding in exercises, etc)--Not Finished here yet.

My records are mostly kept in a notebook I bring into the weight room, when I train. So, I have to carry over this info to this journal, which is quite a task. Most other important data (as you know) is kept electronically in many programs.


Current Schedule:

Monday: Upper/Core
Tuesday: Lower
Wednesday: Rest (Maintenance)
Thursday: Rest (Maintenance)
Friday: Lower (after rest, lower/upper switch)
Saturday: Upper/Core
Sunday: Rest (Maintenance)

Repeat, only difference is the day changes.

Maintenance Means: (updated 12/10/08)[/b] Stretching exercises (entire body), Shoulder Girdle exercises, Addressing "some" weakness, such as Wrist weaknesses, and other issues, that creep up, and this is a VERY IMPORTANT part of my training routine, for my aging body.

Additionally this means, looking at the numbers, diet, and reviewing myself.

And, remember, I am very intense about progression. I react "favorably" to high energy/intense workouts (and it makes me feel great), rather than straight sets, this is one reason I was interested in DC, though I modified it to my personal satisfaction. Back squats put to push stress on my back, but I can bust out Front Squats like an animal :)

I expend a lot of energy in my workouts, and if I want to eat more, I add a tad more activity, and adjust.
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Upper: (Present time between body parts: 3M)

Some "setup" before starting takes place.

Chest (3 exercises rotating):

Heavy Flat Bench Press (WO #1)

6 to 8

4 RP's sets.

FB, A, B, RP-30, repeat

Station A: DB Bench Press
Station B: DB Incline Bench Press
Last RP/Finisher: Dips (Dip Station)

Heavy Incline Bench Press(WO #2)

6 to 8

4 RP's sets.

IB, A, B, RP-30, repeat

Station A: DB Fly
Station B: DB Weighted Dips

Decline Bench Press(WO #3)

8 to 10

4 RP's sets.

DB, A, B, RP-30, repeat

Station A: Decline PU's (failure)
Station B: DB Decline Press (mobile bench)
Last RP/Finisher: Dips (Dip Station)

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Back: (3 rotating)

6 to 8

4 RP sets, A, 30, repeat

Heavy Bent Over Row (WO #1)
Station A: Pull-Over

Heavy T-Bar Row (WO #2)
Station A: Weighted Pull-up

Lat-Pull-down (W/N) (WO #3)
Station A: Pronated grip pull-ups


Deadlift: On Lower Day.

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Shoulders: (1 Rotating, with all WO's)

BB Military Press (Top, overall, 2-press ups at top, each set)

6 to 8

4 RP sets: MP, A, B, C RP-45, repeat

Station A: Side Laterals (side)(DB)
Station B: Front DB Raises (front) (DB)
Station C: Renegade Rows (rear) (heavy, wide stance)

Maintenance for "shoulders" Off Days: Shoulder Girdle exercises, Static Holds.

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Traps:(1 Rotating, with all WO's)

Heavy (No Mercy) Shrug
Station A: DB Dual-arm Shrug

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Tri: (3-rotating, with WO's)

6 to 8

4 RP sets, A, 30, repeat

Heavy Close Grip Bench Press:(WO #1)

Heavy Skull Crushers (Tri-Bar)(WO #2)

Heavy Tri-Press Down(WO #3)
Station A:] Reverse Weighted Dips (dip station)

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Bi: (3 rotating)

Heavy Standing Curl (WO #1)
Station A: Decline DB

Heavy Preacher (WO #2)
Station A: Hammers

Arnold (bent-over) Curl: (WO #3)
Station A: Pull-Up (underhand)

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Core: (Yes, even in a bulk, I do them regardless of leaning/bulking) (this way, always ready, baby)

Renegade Rows (Narrow feet, touching, a bit lighter)

5 straight sets, RR, AB, 2M, repeat.

Station A: Hanging leg raise (elbow support)
Station B: Weighted Ab roll-out
Station C: Cardio-Rest Burst (high tension)

Lower:

4 straight sets, AB, 2M, repeat

Heavy Front Squat (6 to 10)

Station A: Heavy Standing Lunge (with BB's)
Station B: Cardio-rest, bursts (last two sets, during rest)

4 straight sets, A, 2.30, repeat

Dead Lift (V. Heavy, 6 to 8) (have two BB's)

Station A: Lighter version, quick set (8 to 10) (killer)
Station B: Cardio-rest, bursts (between 2nd, and 3rd, during rest) Very high tension, low speed (ready to die) :)

4 straight sets, 1M, repeat.

Good Mornings(8 to 10)
Station A: Walking DB heavy lunges

Calf Raises: 3 straight sets, 2M, progressive 12 to 15
Station A: Cardio Rest-Burst (between sets of rest). Very High Tension, low speed

And, I improvise once in a while.

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Work in progress.


Best wishes

Chillen
 
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theGOOCH's Status Page

*Still Under Construction*

Name: theGOOCH
Age: 33
Height: 6'1"

Recent Pic:(195#)
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My dates are not as well documented as Chillen's but here goes:

I have lifted or been involved in some type of resistance training since I was a very young teenager but I was never consistent, dedicated or educated about what I was doing until the last couple years. I also ate complete garbage.

I have an extremely high metabolism which you will probably see discussed in length here as it can complicate matters when manipulating my diet. This lent itself to my being very skinny until I was about 20 years old (when I graduated high school I was 6'1 155#).
At the age of 20 I began to purposely put on weight but not the right way. My weight went up and down then topped out at 227# about 3 years ago. I then decided to include cardio into my routine and did nothing else different. I lost about 15 lbs then my weight stalled.

At that point (June of 07) I found this forum and learned how to "eat clean" I got all the way down to 180 lbs, then bulked back up to 195.

At least as a short term goal I want to end up at about 190, zig zagging my way to a lower body fat% ...I want to break that 10% barrier and be extremely lean... I want to be lean enough where my abs are very prominent in a relaxed state.

I feel that I have gotten as lean as I can with simple deficit/surplus dieting. I'm turning my macro breakdown to Chillen.

Starting Stats:

Weight: *193 lbs(*actually I started some of these adjustments 2 days ago and have dropped 2 lbs of water weight already, so I am 191 as I'm typing this

Body Fat%: I do not have a reliable number. My guess is 12-14% Upper abs are clearly visible when flexed, lower abs obscured by fat....upper abs barely visible when relaxed.

Diet: Maintaining at 4500 calories.

Protein grams=High 200's (277 actual average)​

Fat Grams=mid 100's (146 actual average)​

Net Carbs=*High 400's (471 actual average)​

*When cutting, carbs would be closer to 400 and I will be using 400 as a nice, round jumping off point.

Week 1 (12/6/08-12/12/08) Stats:

Diet:

Net Carbs:400g (previous cutting net carbs)-125= 275g
Starting Weight: 193

End Weight:
 
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I know the 2 of you mean serious business, there should be lots of hard work in here! I look forward to following along with ya, unless you tell me I smell and ask me to leave.
 
Gooch I sent you some material through E-Mail, I would like you to read. Let me know if you got them. There are some things in them, I personally do not agree with, and I will discuss this in an E-Mail.

Another E-Mail is forth coming reference other issues we discussed.

With both of us having a status page we update regularly (which may have to modified as we progress), it allows us to discuss and refine some mechanics in diet and training----in the body of our journal.

And, we rock.......on.

Best wishes

Chillen
 
Got 'em, although I think the lights in my house dimmed a bit when it transferred into my account;)

Cool take the time to read the material, and you will gain an understanding of where I am coming from, and we can wrestle with fining tuning things we agree on, that fits you more personally, since you are not the average dude. I am looking at your workout schedule, and writing the e-mail response at the present. Be patient, though I knew some about you before we started, I still have some growing pains to go through (like you not doing chest presses, and responding to dips better, etc, and setting up the energy increase, etc, etc).


Post your diet today......;) (I know we need to address and fine tune this still)...I am..still at work...lol :))), though it was a rather easy and short day.

I have mine updated thus far, but have to post again, soon.


Best wishes

Chillen
 
I wouldn't want to make things too easy on you, Chillen

I'll go into detail about my diet tonight if I get a chance, but I'll drop the bomb on everyone now that I cut at 4000 calories and let you chew on that for a while:D

...and thanks everybody
 
I wouldn't want to make things too easy on you, Chillen

I'll go into detail about my diet tonight if I get a chance, but I'll drop the bomb on everyone now that I cut at 4000 calories and let you chew on that for a while:D

...and thanks everybody

You haven't developed a history in messing around with the carbohydrates (to lower body fat yet), when coupling it with an appropriate calorie deficit---for a trend period, and then carbohydatingUP--yet, so, this is going to be a new experience.

Your metabolism (like I said in the PM) just may make your carbohydrates higher (than most) to solicit a response we want (coupled with a deficit).

A simple experiment in lowering them (only, moderately, and adjusting as we go), may be all it takes.

It may not, this is what manipulating (diet) and watching bodily adaption is about.

If not, we keep adjusting, and you may, may, have to go to ketosis, and even then I expect (at present) it would be above 100grams to do that ("possibly"--time will tell us), with your: Calorie Busten' furnace. :)

We shall seek.......and we shall find what works.

Note: Remember (persons viewing log), the status page gets updated regularly. I may make some changes to it as we go (to make it more plausible), and if you have suggestions on how to improve it, let me know this too. Many thanks.

Best wishes

Chillen
 
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Gooch:

Within your status, page, I would suggest the following:

1. A running log of your carbohydrate gram intake (in bold), and put your protein and fats, below it (not in bold). Store it there for 7 days (so I can see it), and date-each. On the 8th day, start another 7 day period (and store the figures of your previous 7 day trend (privately, and keep a running on-going log)


2. List your total calorie intake per day (MT-Line, like the above explained), then below it, list the calorie intake (with the deficit), and list the deficit amount.

3. As in 1 and 2, I want your starting weight, and at the END of the week, I want the weight for that 7 day period. Now, like I said in the PM, there is going to be some (expected water loss)---do not misinterpret this.

4. I want to know how you "feel": Headaches, energy levels, etc, etc, in this area, as we move along, and adjust these numbers. And, I can make some suggestions on how to deal with it (IF they come).

EDIT: 5. Beside your carbohydrate gram log (like beside the current number), put in the amount that it is less than your previous trend. For example: You told me you have been taking in 500 grams (400 net with fiber considered), and I suggest backing off -125 grams as a "start".

You then would do:

Date: 12/08/08

Carbohydrates: 275 grams (-125--which is the figure off of your previous trend history).

Protein: List grams

Fats: List grams

Understand what I am getting at?




Best wishes

Chillen
 
Ill be following...........................

Thanks.

I posted my routine in the status page.

I am reviewing my notebook to make sure it carried over accurately. I like the idea of the status page, while at the same time I have some problems with it (;)). I am thinking about changing some things to it to make it more journal-efficient.

I just got some free time, Gooch. Be patient, I am working on myself (getting things in order for accurate posting from my personal data (to this journal), and working on you (and your specifics) as well, so its going to take some time, and we have to workout some rough edges. Our journal is going to be different than most, and productive once we get the edges smoothed out--the way we like them.

Any hoot, I will be sending you a PM and an e-mail soon, bro.


Best wishes

Chillen
 
Gooch, do you have an complications talking over the phone, to speed things up?

I have free long distance, I can call you if you wish.

This would help ALOT.

Let me know--in a PM, thanks.

Best wishes

Chillen
 
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So there is a running record (in synopsis form), I will post this daily. It has been removed from the status page.

I am not going to post my meals (but Gooch, I want you too, so I can see the types of carbohydrates you are consuming). Posting meals would get to tedious (and redundant) everyday transferring them from my notebook to here. But, upon request, I will post what I eat from time to time.
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Diet Information:​
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My diet evolves around a changing 24 hour cycle period, that continually change. Revolving surpluses according to activity level.

I will also manipulate my diet in advance of knowing if my wife and I are going out to (Red Lobster), which we do quite often, and when this happens, I will show what I do. I always use the POWER of the diet, as you will see as we move along.

Training: Upper (Scheduled 8:30 PM) (1.5 hours-->post new cycle period)---I wonder if you guys see something obvious here? Two cycles over lapping, why is this significant for me?.......hmm....:)

Date: December 10th, 2008

Calories for the day: 3,255 (Projected surplus: 405c)
Base: 1,670 Calories
MT-Line:2,850 (lower justed, work adjusted)
Project weight at end of week ending December 14th, 2008 (approximate water adjusted): 168.5. - 169. When I reach 172 pounds, I will post a picture, just after getting my BF checked, at the 8 week mark, so you can see how a "fatty" Chillen looks like: :) :)

Initial phase: Carbs Are high, Until Phase 2 (when Cycling begins)

Carbs: 375 (50)

Fats: 83 (20 )

Protein: 225 (1.5, 30)

24 Hour Cycle Clock (beginning 12/08/08): 7P-7P
24 Hour Cycle Clock (Ending 12/11/08): 3P-3P (over lap, with double-split eating on 12/11/08)

Personal Notes:

I will be modifying the training status page, I noticed some errors in it. I will do it today some time.

I feel spunky today and want to eat more, so I am adding in Plate Weight Cardio into my Lower Routine. Calories adjusted. I have extensive history doing this, so its nothing abnormal, other than the progressive nature of the exercise implemented building on its former numbers (no question).

Basically they are weighted Sprints on a stationary bike with Velcro straps, highest tension. Short burst (1 to 2 design, in other words 3/4 out for one minute, and rest 2 minutes), 3 cycles; however, there is twist. During the 2 minute rest, part of the first minute is performing weighted Step Ups, and then resting the remaining time, and then repeating for 3 cycles. Performed after weighted calf raises today.

Note on Upper Workout:

When I do Close Grip Bench Press, I can get extreme wrist pain on the first set; however, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th sets, it goes away. Friggen B@stards, But there is only room for one B@stard, and I am fuggen PISSED! :hug2:

Time to break out the can of whoopen-dat-ass!.....though I broke a my garage window in the process, lol, this is how intense I can get......I know...I wasn't Chillen in da-smart...but felt good....so shut the heck up. :)

Its has always been that way, and never has gotten worse or created "functional" everyday problems. It is really friggen irritating. But every once in a while, it can inhibit the quality of the first set (the pain can be that great-but mysteriously disappears in the remaining sets); I can quite stubborn, and just push through the pain, knowing it goes away the remaining sets. I have tried to warm-up with lighter weight with no avail. As soon as I put the load on, it is present the first set.

I have tried various wrist and grip exercises (some with weight and some not--on my maintenance days), and still the first set is a problem.

I have refrained from getting wrists straps. Do you think I should get some? I don't like the idea in the sense :))), that its taking the load off the wrist, and may weaken it.

Maybe is just that I am friggen old....and they-be-yelling at-me. Blah, blah, blah--yea right, they know who-da-boss ;).

Maybe I have to live it with, and slap the f--out of it or something--damn it.

I can get quite upset at times, when it hurts the quality of the set but I tend to push through it stubbornly.

This is the only problem I am experiencing currently. (Knocks on wood block: Chillen's head and being thankful)

Any suggestions, welcome.


Gooch:

I am off of work today. But, I have to run my in-law to 2 DR. Appointments this morning (9:30; 1:00pm), and probably wont return until 3P or so (my time).

I want to talk on the phone about your training (mainly--this needs to change some), and about the some numbers in your diet, etc. Let me know in a PM when its a good time to call you. Did you get my number?

Let trust each other, and I will get you lean, I haven't gotten lean by mistake, and we will find.....the "specifics" that work for you. Keep an "educated" eye on your appearance, it IS going to dry out some, and you may look a bit smooth (this is NORMAL), just remember to drink a lot of water.

Thank you in advance.


Chillen
 
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I also get that problem from close grip pressing (on heavier weights).

To me it depends how close my grip is, as going beyond shoulder width tilts my wrists so they are out of alignment with my arms (if you get me...)

Thats just my experience.
 
I also get that problem from close grip pressing (on heavier weights).

To me it depends how close my grip is, as going beyond shoulder width tilts my wrists so they are out of alignment with my arms (if you get me...)

Thats just my experience.

Yea.....well, it pisses me off. My motivation is deadly--you really have no idea, Big-T.

This is WHY I have Maintenance Days (Rest Days), to address weight training issues, and weaknesses (dependent on what there are). I am an active participant.

And, this is how I cured my weakness in my grip (thus far) in performing the dead lift, is setting up a maintenance item (s) on these days. I try to develop exercises/stretches, that doesn't involve the body being rested (if you see what I mean), and if does, then I implement in that particular training day--by modifying it slightly.

And, this is how I cured my shoulder problem, very early in my training, and one of the reasons I have no tendon/joint pain (other then what I mentioned).

It just pissed me off more than normal this time........The body "respects" I push the iron.......or....I spank-dat-ass! :)

Edit: Normally, I do not share things like this, but since I intend on opening a bit more (as we move along, and refine our journal), I will share these sorts of stuff, I normally do not. I just don't whine, in the definition...that I apply to it. :)


Best wishes

Chillen
 
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