Breast Implants

[Typhon]

Well, I've noticed that the three people who are most against this topic(spicy/proteinboy/starcrafmaster--even merci) are 18 or younger, that I'm sure plays a big role..As you grow so will your opinions on a number of topics...then again it may not. Just an observation...

Very true, I was very conservative and judgemental when I was a teenager, but then I think most teens are. It takes life experience to teach you that very few things are black and white in this world, most are varying shades of grey

The whole point of this was to show that If I can do something to fix myself on the inside, then everyone has the right to fix something on the outside that gets in their way of living the kind of life they want to live.

Spicy, I love the way you've been able to see other peoples point of view here, that must be a first for the internet.

 

[deschain]

Stupid because it's completely unnecessary, and the money and effort could be better spend helping children in 3rd world countries or something of that nature.

In the big sense, I understand what you are saying in that people spend large amounts of money on extravagant things, while others are starving to death. (at least, I would hope that you extend that to all "luxury" purchases, not just to breast implants)

I believe that no one has the right to say that anyone else's money should be spent on anything other than what they choose to spend it on.

I wouldn't look at a middle aged man (hitting his "crisis") who bought an entirely unnecessary little red sports car as an extra 'have fun in' car, and say that he should have spent that $40,000 on charity instead of on something that makes him feel good. Although, maybe you would. Well, if so, that's fine if you feel people should put their money to better use than to buy things that aren't necessities in life - but the only thing you can really do about that is not own any unnecessary things yourself, and give that money to charity. Bravo to you.


(I'm aware that buying the car doesn't involve anesthesia - I'm discussing money spent on unnecessary luxury items.)

 

[deschain]

SpicyPumpkin,

You are ahead of the game if you have figured out where your insecurities are. Many people spend years trying to figure that out.
-------------------------------

Many teens get incredibly defensive the first time anything about maturity or life experience is brought up. I find that amusing, as that is the largest sign of immaturity and lack of experience you can have.
I wouldn't be defensive if my 42 yr old friend said something along those lines to me, as I'd hope that when I'm 42, I'll be more experienced and mature than I am at 28, just as I've grown since I was 17. That's the progression of life.

 

[Proteinboy]

Very true, I was very conservative and judgemental when I was a teenager, but then I think most teens are. It takes life experience to teach you that very few things are black and white in this world, most are varying shades of grey

hmm well you can also look at youth this way:

the world is FULL of impropriety.
the older you are, the more exposed you have been to all that vulgarity and you become "more tolerant and less judgemental", in many cases

as you grow older, most people's view becomes more and more focused on mankind's state of being/the world's circumstances
not neccisarily a good thing.

A Godly child's analysis may not be considered most valuable by those who's vision has been blurred by the sins of this earth; but in reality, their viewpoint has the lucidity of an unstained mind.

Jesus said to bring forth the little children,
"For the Kingdom of God belongs to those who are like these children. I tell you the truth, anyone who doesn't recieve the Kingdom of God like a child will never neter it."

As you can see, the children had no doubts in their mind that Jesus was their Lord and Savior.
Their faith was not tainted by the world's sinful disbelief in God, like the older men who's self belief is strengthened by their experiance in human ways.
Humans do not understand God's doings, so they rebuke them and seek their own explenation in this world.
Gods ways are not like our ways.

Living many years on this earth is not a sign of true wisdom or understanding by any means.
In this situation, it is more time to become more tolerant to man's sinful ways.

 

[deschain]

So those of you against, where do you draw the line then?

Braces?
Teeth whitening?
Piercing?
Contact lenses?
Bikini waxing?
Leg shaving?
Getting a haircut?

Well, as PB said, he believes the cutoff is a nose job.

That is an interesting question though. How do we draw the line between acceptable things to do in an effort to look nicer, and unacceptable?

Under certain circumstances, braces, I think, can be related to the health of your teeth/gums, but mostly it is for the looks of the teeth. That's a lot of money, time, and pain for looks - and we put children through that.

What about hair transplants? When a man starts losing his hair - it cuts deep for many. Yes, it can be a natural part of life, but it can also make the man feel like sh*t about himself. Does he not have the right to spend his own money getting that taken care of if he wants?

What gives anyone the right to say how someone else should spend their own money, or what is and isn't worth a risk to them? For the 18yr old who simply wants to look like a porn star, I personally, think that is a stupid risk to take. But I'm not the one making the risk/reward comparison in that choice - she is.

 

[deschain]

Living many years on this earth is not a sign of true wisdom or understanding by any means.
In this situation, it is more time to become more tolerant to man's sinful ways.

The key word here being "tolerant". Never confuse, as many do, "tolerate" for "accept". I believe, as a Christian, that I am to tolerate the beliefs and choices of others, sinful or otherwise, even if I don't accept them. That means, not chastising them for their beliefs/choices.

 

[Proteinboy]

God wont even tolerate any sinful ways though...which is why i stressed the point
should we tolerate sinful behavior? i dont think so; yet it is all in God's hands how he will deal with them. my purpose is not to punish, just to inform

and with regards to my above post, it is not specifically pointed to you, ccr.

 

[Nicolasd]

I never saw the point in religious arguments. Either the other guy believes the same as a you do, and so you already agree, or he has different beliefs and so your arguments don't hold any validity to him.

PB, how would you react if say a Muslim came and condemned something you did or believed because it wasn't in adherence with his religion?

 

[Proteinboy]

Either the other guy believes the same as a you do, and so you already agree, or he has different beliefs and so your arguments don't hold any validity to him.

that is how every argument starts whether or not religion is involved lol :]
2 people disagree because they have different beliefs

PB, how would you react if say a Muslim came and condemned something you did or believed because it wasn't in adherence with his religion?

i would try to convert him/her and bring him/her to church lol
if s/he refused, i would pray for him/her

 

[Nicolasd]

that is how every argument starts whether or not religion is involved lol :]
2 people disagree because they have different beliefs

Yes, but arguments of religious nature won't be recognized by the other guy unless he has the same belief. If you're arguing with a Muslim and he's quoting the Quran, you don't acknowledge that. Normally you try to convince others by using arguments that you think they'll recognize as a good one.

i would try to convert him/her and bring him/her to church lol
if s/he refused, i would pray for him/her

So you're right and everyone else is wrong? That's a bold statement, especially when you're talking about something as important to people as their religion.

 

[Typhon]

hmm well you can also look at youth this way:

the world is FULL of impropriety.
the older you are, the more exposed you have been to all that vulgarity and you become "more tolerant and less judgemental", in many cases

Very good point, I tip my hat to you young man

However as a man of God you should have read this already;

Is not wisdom found among the aged? Does not long life bring understanding?

Proverbs 16:31

So be a good boy and listen to your elders

 

[Proteinboy]

that verse refers to the Godly whom have lived long lives :]

evil men, or ordinary men who have lived long lives are not guarenteed to have wisdom, of course

but it is very true that the Godly who have had longer time to learn His ways and follow his teachings are very wise. i like that verse

 

[Proteinboy]

That's a bold statement, especially when you're talking about something as important to people as their religion.

i have every reason to be bold with my faith in God
what is your point?

are we not off topic?

 

[evolution]

Stupid because it's completely unnecessary, and the money and effort could be better spend helping children in 3rd world countries or something of that nature.

Seriously?

Nothing is absolutely necessary aside from occasionally eating, breathing, and sleeping. I'm assuming that all money that would be used to do other activities will be sent by you to the these third world countries?

 

[deschain]

God wont even tolerate any sinful ways though...which is why i stressed the point
should we tolerate sinful behavior? i dont think so; yet it is all in God's hands how he will deal with them. my purpose is not to punish, just to inform

and with regards to my above post, it is not specifically pointed to you, ccr.

To bring this back on topic a bit.

(to those that are Christian)
If you believe a behavior to be sinful, you should not accept it as ok. However, even God tolerates our choice to make those decisions in the first place - even if He does punish certain actions later. Since it is His place to punish what He sees fit, and not ours, what is left for us to do is tolerate the choices God let them have. (and yes, I believe there is a difference in informing someone of something you believe to be wrong, and judging them for it)

So, to say that you believe risking your health/safety for the sake of improving your looks (regardless of motives), is wrong - is ok. However, to condemn and chastise someone for that choice, imo, is not.

 

[Proteinboy]

agreed. God will eventually judge us for our sins in the end; its not our job to do the punishing

 

[Starcraftmazter]

A boob job costs about $6,000, that's not that much considering how long they last.

You have no idea how far $6,000 can go towards making life better for a single village.
To me, spending $6,000 on a 'boob job' is the disgusting and sickening reality of capitalism.

I assume you're not going to pay for your gym membership and donate that to the third world then? And maybe your car, mobile phone, designer clothes?

No, because I don't have any of these things. Also, gym membership will cost $6,000 over the course of one's life, and it is easily argued that it is necessary for optimal health in life, to prevent obesity and ensure strength of bones for older years of life.

A boob job however, does not contribute to one's physical health.

I believe that no one has the right to say that anyone else's money should be spent on anything other than what they choose to spend it on.

Not in most countries anyway, but it doesn't make the consumeristic spending of money any ethical.


There are certain things that one needs in their life, such as shelter, food, water and clothing.
There are certain thing that are considered necessary in one's life today, such as a TV, computer and car.
Then there are things, which the necessity of depends on the individual, depending on their lifestyle.
But then, there are things which are totally ridiculous....and I believe this to be one of them.

 

[Phate89]

that is how every argument starts whether or not religion is involved lol :]
2 people disagree because they have different beliefs

i would try to convert him/her and bring him/her to church lol
if s/he refused, i would pray for him/her

I am muslim, good luck trying to convert me

Though You will be in my dua's ( prayers ) as well.

 

[Proteinboy]

oh yea? il pray more for you
lol

 

[theGOOCH]

As a confirmed heathen I support breast implants...just get a good doc that does a good job.