A Unique Weight Loss Living Style Pattern

[caiqipp]

What’s unique in the pattern:

1. Health as highest priority;
2. All natural, so it’s safe;
3. Zero-fat intake;
4. Great amount of protein intake;
5. Feasible for most people, if not all.

This pattern is based on the theory of TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine). It is disclosed in a published book in Chinese, named “How to Improve Your Health to Excellent by Doctor Liu” (??????) by Mr. Hongzhang Liu, ISBN 7-5057-2160-7.Per my best knowledge, there is no English version of it. And the major purpose of the book is not weight loss but getting excellent health. I found in my practice that it has great side effect – weight loss. The pattern I will introduce here should be credited to Mr. Liu. Copyright of the English translation is reserved by me. In his book, Mr. Liu sometime didn’t explain why but just shows how; sometimes his explanation looks not straight forward or perfect. So I will add my own points, such as reorganization and thinking based on my own practice, to Mr. Liu’s points, as supplemental. But there might be some mixed situations, where it’s hard to distinguish between his and mine contribution. If any content is not explicitly noted by “I think”, “I believe” or so, then it can be considered as the translation of originals written by Mr. Liu, even if some parts of such description are my own points.

If no comments and/or concerns from the Moderator group, I will do as described above.

Post index of this thread:

P1.
Post# 1: This post. Pattern characteristics and source.
Post# 7: My successful story, comparison before and after.
Post# 12: How to make meat broth of this pattern (very special way)
Post# 14: Answer questions about “no fact intake from meat source” rule of this pattern.
P2:
Post# 23: Instructions of the pattern.
Post# 25: Weight loss golden “calories in & out” rule is put in doubt. Assumption: different foods may have different absorption rate. One may eat more calories than daily needs but still get weight loss.
Post# 29: This pattern and absorption rates.
P3.
Post# 36: Science and practice.
Post# 38: Clarify post# 29.
Post# 41: My daily intake list and why “coarse staple foods” could help diet.
Post# 43: “No fat intake (from meat sources)” could work if ….
Post# 45: Life science is in its baby stage, maybe with many gaps.
P4.
Post# 48: Protein intake amount of this pattern: is it reasonable?
Post# 52: Dos and DONTs from this pattern.
Post# 53: Further talk about “no fat intake” rule and EFAs, following post# 43.
Post# 55 & 58: Calories calculation of my daily intakes. I lost weight while taking more-than-needs calories.
P5.
Post# 61: I’m male, weight: 110 lbs, tall: 5’6’’. BMI: 17.8.
Post# 62: Why no milk or yogurt in this pattern.
Post# 73: Assumption is not scientific?
Post# 75: How many percent did I follow this pattern?
P6.
Post# 76: Matters of attentions while taking this pattern.
Post# 79: more individuals are taking this pattern with good health and diet effects.
Post# 80: a safe Calcium source: egg shell + vinegar.
Post# 81: how to select slow cooker for cooking broth of this pattern.
Post# 84: Corn meal cake recipe.
Post# 85: TCM theory, appetite, and more. Avoid iffy chemicals.
Post# 86: fruit intake of this pattern.
Post# 88: water intake of this pattern.
P7 & 8.
Post# 91: Omega 3/6’s impact to health could take long term.
Post# 93: How could eating “coarse staple food” help constipation relief?
Post# 95 to 99: protein again.
Post# 100 to 109, 112,113, 115, 117: how could midday napping help health then diet. And opposite posts.
Post# 114: diet, science, claims, proofs, and logic.
Post# 118: food absorption rate, diet, and coarse staple foods, again.
Post# 119: “eat less red meat” rule might be put in doubt. It might be correct conditionally.
P9.
Post# 122, 125: How would beef tendon help our health? And hemorrhoids.
Post# 153: can life science knowledge be used to negative or confirm a diet plan with 100% accuracy? No.
Post# 160: answer question about post# 153, and another successful story of this pattern.
Post# 162 to 164: How to objectively judge a diet plan? Life science includes many inductive and deductive reasoning knowledge, that can’t judge in 100% accuracy.
P12.
Post# 170: How to judge protein intake amount?
Post# 171: How to judge diet plans’ safety?
Post# 174, 177: BMI is not a tool to absolutely judge health.

 

[Jacklinger]

No fat intake? I can't do that. The body needs some fats to make hormones like testosterone. If I go too long with no fats, I get tempted to eat a stick of butter and then go binge on pancakes with melted butter all over them.

How would you overcome such a weakness?

 

[shawnnam]

What’s unique in the pattern:

1. Health as highest priority;
2. All natural, so it’s safe;
3. Zero-fat intake;
4. Great amount of protein intake;
5. Feasible for most people, if not all.

This pattern is based on the theory of TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine). It is disclosed in a published book in Chinese, named “How to Improve Your Health to Excellent by Doctor Liu” (??????) by Mr. Hongzhang Liu, ISBN 7-5057-2160-7.Per my best knowledge, there is no English version of it. And the major purpose of the book is not weight loss but getting excellent health. I found in my practice that it has great side effect – weight loss. The pattern I will introduce here should be credited to Mr. Liu. Copyright of the English translation is reserved by me. In his book, Mr. Liu sometime didn’t explain why but just shows how; sometimes his explanation looks not straight forward or perfect. So I will add my own points, such as reorganization and thinking based on my own practice, to Mr. Liu’s points, as supplemental. But there might be some mixed situations, where it’s hard to distinguish between his and mine contribution. If any content is not explicitly noted by “I think”, “I believe” or so, then it can be considered as the translation of originals written by Mr. Liu, even if some parts of such description are my own points.

If no comments and/or concerns from the Moderator group, I will do as described above.

Umm... well I went to an OMD (Oriental Medicine Doctor), who is certified to sell and prescribe herbs and perform acupuncture etc and is certified to adjusts someones diet and I was never, ever told to not eat fat. That is just dumb, you NEED fat to live, you just don't need too many bad fats. And, high protein? Why high protein? Is there any basis to high protein and no fat?

 

[Kayshiz]

FYI
They are called Essential fatty acids for a reason...

 

[Jericho]

What’s unique in the pattern:

1. Health as highest priority;
2. All natural, so it’s safe;
3. Zero-fat intake;
4. Great amount of protein intake;
5. Feasible for most people, if not all.

This pattern is based on the theory of TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine). It is disclosed in a published book in Chinese, named “How to Improve Your Health to Excellent by Doctor Liu” (??????) by Mr. Hongzhang Liu, ISBN 7-5057-2160-7.Per my best knowledge, there is no English version of it. And the major purpose of the book is not weight loss but getting excellent health. I found in my practice that it has great side effect – weight loss. The pattern I will introduce here should be credited to Mr. Liu. Copyright of the English translation is reserved by me. In his book, Mr. Liu sometime didn’t explain why but just shows how; sometimes his explanation looks not straight forward or perfect. So I will add my own points, such as reorganization and thinking based on my own practice, to Mr. Liu’s points, as supplemental. But there might be some mixed situations, where it’s hard to distinguish between his and mine contribution. If any content is not explicitly noted by “I think”, “I believe” or so, then it can be considered as the translation of originals written by Mr. Liu, even if some parts of such description are my own points.

If no comments and/or concerns from the Moderator group, I will do as described above.

1: All Natural does not equal safe.
2: No fat intake equals death.

If you want to post some translation, go ahead but expect quite a bit of feedback.

 

[Jericho]

Based off the ISBN:

Google Translate


Hard to understand even translated...but I'm thinking we will get alot of fun responding to it.

 

[caiqipp]

Before responding to the posts above, I would like to share the effect of my practice.

My age: in around mid between 50 and 60.
Tall: 168 cm or 5’6”

My peak body weight was 147 lbs in 2005. Not only over-weighted, but my health was bad. To improve my health, I followed the instructions suggested by modern medicine, like what most people do – control calories intake, follow food pattern, and take exercise I can bears, etc. My body weight did decrease to 138 lbs in about 4 months, but no any progress after then. The side effect was not ideal – my health was even worse than before. I had to try alternatives. But none of them worked for me.

I see this pattern February 2007. I had many doubts about it, because some instructions of the pattern do not comply with what modern medicine teaches. But finally I decided to give it a try. I have been taken this pattern since March 2007. Now my weight is 110 lbs (when get up morning before breakfast) – this is side effect. The most important thing for me is that my health has reached the best shape since 1990’s.

The changes appearing on my body after taking the pattern:

After 1 week: no longer have moderate constipation.
After 2 weeks: body weight started decrease slowly. Hemorrhoids began to soften, moderate prolapse began to retract.
After 1 month: weight loss continued, less medicine for controlling hemorrhoids is needed. No longer have prolapse.
After 2 months: heart pain symptom is improved.
After 3 months: hemorrhoids need no medicine. No longer feel tired always. Less flu infections than before. Mild insomnia is gone.
After 6 months: heart pain is gone. Physical strength is much better than before. Body weight stabilized at 118 lbs, about 15% decrease. Please note that I had no exercise from March to September 2007, but body weight was down 15%.
After 1 year: my health improved a lot. Almost can’t bear exercise before, but can bear heavier exercise that time (can climb 20 levels of stairs). Except single flu infected, no any illness (was frequent flu patient before).
Now after 3+ years: climbing 40 levels of stairs is a piece of cake. No flu vaccine and no flu infected for more than 1 year. Body weight reduces to 110 lbs.

Some described above are my subjective feeling and might not be very reliable. I took annual health exams 3 times at October or November of 2007, 2008 and 2009. All exam results show that most laboratory indicators are around median of the normal range.

Comments are welcome.

 

[Jacklinger]

Impressive improvements on your health. But I don't know how to cope with eating no fats. Seems impossible.

 

[Jericho]

Ok, then tell us what you actually did

 

[Kayshiz]

I have been taken this pattern since March 2007. Now my weight is 110 lbs

You haven't eaten ANY fat since March of 2007? Really? None?

"Symptoms of omega-3 fatty acid deficiency include fatigue, poor memory, dry skin, heart problems, mood swings or depression, and poor circulation."​

University of Maryland Medical Center
​

I believe that either you are full of Bologna (and are promoting something you do not actually use yourself), or you believe you are doing this, but in reality, you are getting fat from sources without your knowledge (even apples contain fat). And since you are obviously not just worried about the total calorie content of fatty foods, but some magical power of fat itself to make you fat (Bologna!) I highly doubt you are actually not eating any.

So lets see, we have natural foods and high protein left on the list. So your diet is now reduced to some faux atkins diet which replaces bacon with organic protein poweder???

And that basically makes me completely stop listening to you, since your diet is a fraud.

Yea, I don't think Ill be switching over.

Thanks for stopping by though!

 

[Korrie]

I think he's a spammer in the making.

 

[caiqipp]

Rule 1: eat zero fat but enough protein

Pure lean meat and plant protein sources, such as beans, contains fat, right? Is this rule contradictory? Here is how: drink meat soup only. The soup is made and prepared in special way. How to make the soup:

(Hereafter, I’ll put translation of Mr. Liu's statements into double quotes.)

“Use slow cooker to cook meat soup. Grounded beef, sliced beef tendon, carp have the best effect. One person should use at least 2 lbs of fish meat or 1 lb of other meat to cook soup daily.” Put grounded or sliced meat into room temperature water to soak 15 to 30 minutes, use filter to leach water out, and wash meat by running water for a while. Why? There is blood in meat. This step can remove blood from meat to improve soup taste. So wash until you can’t see blood color. “Put prepared meat into slow cooker, do not add salt, soy sauce, or any condiments, add 2 liters of room temperature water into slow cooker. Cover the lid, set cook temperature to Low position, cook 12 hours”. This is the key to make protein in meat hydrolyze into soup. “Most appropriate cooking temperature is 176F (80C)”. If you see water is boiling, move the lid and leave a narrow gap at a side. “After 12 hours, use filter to leach soup out into a container.” Put the container into a large container with cold water to make it cool down faster. You may want to replace cold water several times. If you start cooking soup at 8 AM, you get the soup 8 PM, then “put the soup container into refrigerator” at 10 PM. “Next morning you take the container out of refrigerator, use spoon or folk to remove all fat, which is at top of soup, and should be solid." Removing it all is easy.

"Finally, you will get about 1.5 litter of meat soup, with zero fat. Drink 0.5 litter when taking breakfast, lunch, and dinner, respectively. Before drinking, warm soup and add salt, soy sauce, Vinegar? etc."

Avoid other sources that contain fat. “Do not eat meat made in any other way, do not eat nuts, do not use oil (including any vegetable oil) to make dishes.” Hmm? How to cook vegetable without oil? “You can use water or the meat soup you made to cook vegetable.”

Why at least 1 lb of meat or 2 lbs of fish? I will explain if I can login tomorrow.

In summary, there are two major questions about the “zero-fat intake” rule of this pattern in the thread:

1. Is it possible?
2. Can we live without fat intake?

I think this post should have answered 1st question. I wanted to write post(s) to answer the 2nd question and introduce other rules of the pattern today, but now I would like to be quiet for a day. If Moderator Group still thinks I were a spammer, block my ID please. I’ll continue posting if I can still login tomorrow.

I now state that I will not do or try to do any business here. Yes, to practice the pattern, I have to refer to some merchandise, such as slow cooker, grounded beef, etc. I believe this should be allowed, because you just go where you usually go to purchase them. If this rule is broken, just ban me.

By the way, no any pill, herb, and/or other supplemental medicine required by the pattern.

 

[Jericho]

You didn't break any rules as far as I can see so no. No banning or deleting.

However, you do realize you just said the diet is a broth diet.

Fat is needed so your body can absorb the fat soluble vitamins A, S, E, K, and prevent deficiencies of these vitamins.

hat happens when we don't have enough fat in our diet?

* Dry, scaly skin
* Hair loss
* Low body weight
* Cold intolerance
* Bruising
* Poor growth
* Lower resistance to infection
* Poor wound healing
* Loss of menstruation


Listen, right now you can keep posting cause you aren't breaking the rules but I'm pretty sure the forum is going to laugh you out of the building here.

 

[caiqipp]

You haven't eaten ANY fat since March of 2007? Really? None?
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“Zero fat intake” is what I summarized from Mr. Liu’s book. He didn’t explicitly say it. It might not be exact but is to emphasize the characteristics of the pattern. Maybe I should say “zero MEAT/COOK OIL fat intake”, but it’s too lengthy. Hereafter, when I say “zero fat intake” or “eat zero fat”, it means “eat no fat from meat, use no oil to cook”.

About my practice, in first 3 months, I did eat zero fat, maybe less than 1 gram daily, if can’t remove solid fat thoroughly from broth. After I confirmed it works for me, I take more fats, 50 grams of fish or chicken meat made in general way weekly, in average.

The following part of the post is to answer Jacklinger, Shawnnam, Kayshiz, and Jericho:

To answer other posts about “zero fat intake”, yes, I do agree “the body needs some fats”. There is no doubt about it. But how will you explain the facts of my practice? I take less than 1 gram of meat/cook-oil fat daily for more than 3 years, I didn’t die but am alive in a much better shape, and I didn’t have any symptom Kayshiz and Jericho said either. In fact, my health is much better than before, some low-fat symptoms, which I had before while eating more fat, are gone, while I’m taking much less fat.

And my blood exam result shows:

9/25/2009
HDL Chol. Direct: 45 (should > 35)
LDL Chol. (Calc): 77 (should < 100)

Looks like I’m not lack of fat, is it correct? And looks like I’m not lack of "fat soluble vitamins A, S, E, K" either, otherwise how my health is getting better so far? Therefore I don’t care if all people are/were laughing me out of the building here or even out of the universe, because now I’m very healthy, and don’t spend any cent on medicine (including vitamin pill), except yearly health exam (and dental).

I respect what scientists believe AS OF NOW (meaning that what they believe now may be corrected in future, is it correct?), but I do think the practice is the final judgment to any knowledge we have AS OF NOW. If I did follow what scientists believe as of now, I had to turn this pattern down three years ago, and missed it. My health? I'm not sure how it could be now, but I do know I don't want to get back to there anymore.

I’m waiting for any answer(s) and/or comment(s) from experts here.

 

[Kayshiz]

I’m waiting for any answer(s) and/or comment(s) from experts here.

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Bahahahahahahahaha!

No, no, really, I...bahahahahaha!

Ok, ok, Im good now.

Sorry, so yea...your right, fat is just a global conspiracy sold to us by krispy kreme and McDonalds.

From this day forth they shall now and forever be known as "not so essential fatty acids"

Thanks for straightening us out on that one.

(FYI, it's adorable that you want to hear from experts to argue the point against your no fat diet, you know, since you have shown no actual proof that anything you said is true. We all have no problem taking you for your word. Keep an eye out next week for my post about how I used peanut butter and motor oil to grow a tail, it's gonna be awesome!)

 

[caiqipp]

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Bahahahahahahahaha!

No, no, really, I...bahahahahaha!

Ok, ok, Im good now.

Sorry, so yea...your right, fat is just a global conspiracy sold to us by krispy kreme and McDonalds.

From this day forth they shall now and forever be known as "not so essential fatty acids"

Thanks for straightening us out on that one.

(FYI, it's adorable that you want to hear from experts to argue the point against your no fat diet, you know, since you have shown no actual proof that anything you said is true. We all have no problem taking you for your weird. Keep an eye out next week for my post about how I used peanut butter and motor oil to grow a tail, it's gonna be awesome!)

You're wrong. At least the book is real (Jericho shows it in post #8).

And you are right, you should not believe anything from book, from media, etc., because you may not see the author, you may not hear from author either, actually, who knows if the authors, you or me are a real person? You should not believe anything in the world then.

 

[Kayshiz]

You're wrong. At least the book is real (Jericho shows it in post #8).

I didn't say your book wasn't real, but that you showed no scientific proof that any information from said book was scientifically accurate.

Nor did I say you didn't exist or that things found on the internet couldn't be proven true. "Just because I can't see you, you obviously must by lying" was not my argument. If your stance is that you can't prove something over a forum by showing scientific evidence to back up your bizarre post (since others have found numerous websites about the side effects of not eating fat) I don't think many people will continue any debate here. Friendly or otherwise. Most people don't play the "your word against mine" game or the "agree to disagree" one on here very often,

 

[Jericho]

Yes, the book is real. I also notice that it only has a 2 star review as well (for all the worth that is).



Here is the problem I have and many others have. The claims are somewhat unbelievable. On this forum, we try to stick to science and what I'm seeing is science but wrapped up in a way to make it more than what it is.


It's a broth diet with some other meat (based on the 50g of chicken you mentioned in another post). Of COURSE you will lose weight cause you aren't getting the calories you need. Now, you might be coming back to post some other information that adds to the diet. Cool but some of the information is actually counter to what the majority of the medical world follows. The advice of no nuts is a prime example. The fats in walnuts and others are the good stuff. They are packed with such nutritional value that it is highly suggested that men eat a small handful a day. You don't over do it cause the calories can get out of hand but the value is undeniable.

I tried to do research on you and your practice. The best I can find are google translated pages from the CDN, China Digest News forum. The clinic name is garbled a bit since google isn't always a great translator.

I can take everything you are saying and apply it to hundreds of thousands of other weight loss plans because you haven't given any scientific evidence that this plan works. Oh, as I said, you will lose weight if you eat what looks to be about 1000 calories a day (if that) but we here consider something like that an unhealthy amount of calories for the average person.

You have to understand we get people all the time claiming to be doctors or practicing in clinics with weight loss plans that are sure to work. They turn out to be hoaxes. you know what might help? Stop posting little segments that doesn't say a lot about the 'plan' and post the entire plan. This isn't a miniseries, it's a forum. Post the entire information and less about 'how great it makes you feel and your blood work' cause that's not really important. Show us the facts and we will go from there. All you really told us so far is broth.

 

[caiqipp]

I didn't say your book wasn't real, but that you showed no scientific proof that any information from said book was scientifically accurate.

Nor did I say you didn't exist or that things found on the internet couldn't be proven true. "Just because I can't see you, you obviously must by lying" was not my argument. If your stance is that you can't prove something over a forum by showing scientific evidence to back up your bizarre post (since others have found numerous websites about the side effects of not eating fat) I don't think many people will continue any debate here. Friendly or otherwise. Most people don't play the "your word against mine" game or the "agree to disagree" one on here very often,

Thank you for the clarification, I think I misunderstood what you said: "you have shown no actual proof that anything you said is true. ...". I thought "anything" includes the book I refer to, etc. Sorry if anything I replied to you is not appropriate.

I don't want the the thread to become a debate line either, what I wish is objective discussion and investigation.

 

[caiqipp]

Yes, the book is real. I also notice that it only has a 2 star review as well (for all the worth that is).

Here is the problem I have and many others have. The claims are somewhat unbelievable. On this forum, we try to stick to science and what I'm seeing is science but wrapped up in a way to make it more than what it is.

It's a broth diet with some other meat (based on the 50g of chicken you mentioned in another post). Of COURSE you will lose weight cause you aren't getting the calories you need. Now, you might be coming back to post some other information that adds to the diet. Cool but some of the information is actually counter to what the majority of the medical world follows. The advice of no nuts is a prime example. The fats in walnuts and others are the good stuff. They are packed with such nutritional value that it is highly suggested that men eat a small handful a day. You don't over do it cause the calories can get out of hand but the value is undeniable.

I tried to do research on you and your practice. The best I can find are google translated pages from the CDN, China Digest News forum. The clinic name is garbled a bit since google isn't always a great translator.

I can take everything you are saying and apply it to hundreds of thousands of other weight loss plans because you haven't given any scientific evidence that this plan works. Oh, as I said, you will lose weight if you eat what looks to be about 1000 calories a day (if that) but we here consider something like that an unhealthy amount of calories for the average person.

You have to understand we get people all the time claiming to be doctors or practicing in clinics with weight loss plans that are sure to work. They turn out to be hoaxes. you know what might help? Stop posting little segments that doesn't say a lot about the 'plan' and post the entire plan. This isn't a miniseries, it's a forum. Post the entire information and less about 'how great it makes you feel and your blood work' cause that's not really important. Show us the facts and we will go from there. All you really told us so far is broth.

Thank you for the clarification. Maybe I misunderstood what people said here, but from my point of view, looks like several friends here are going to thoroughly negative this pattern and the facts of my practice, based on single thing of the "no fat intake". Even more than that, I was defined as "spammer" before I post the plan. Is this objective?

OK, I'll post the summary of full plan, then show some details. Actually I wanted to do so from beginning, but ...

I'm not doctor, my specialty is in IT field, not medicine. I do not claim this plan/pattern will work for everyone, because as what you said, some DOs and DONTs of the pattern do not have a scientific explanation. On the other side, some DOs and DONTs have not been negatived by science either. I had many doubts before, but it DOES work for me. I'm introducing it as a beneficiary of the pattern. I don't say all people should switch to this pattern, but if one practiced all the plans, that are all SCIENTIFIC, but none of them works for him/her, I do think s/he should give the pattern a try, even if it sounds not so SCIENTIFIC.

By the way, the question I was asking is "why is my health getting better so far, under the condition of 'no fat intake', which results in lack of absorbing fat ... vitamins, which further damages one's health, where blood testing shows no clue of being lack of fat". Looks like knowing whole plan is not a must to answer this question.

Yes, I was introducing the pattern in Chinese in CND, using the same ID, and other IDs. People there can understand English very good. You can drop a post there to ask about me.