Steve, but your metabolism doesn't respond that quick, correct? It would take a while, like a month or so, before it adjusted, right? I know everyone is different, but don't tell me it would change within a day? If u say yes, send me the supporting docs. (okay, now i am sounding like you)
I'm not sure how you deduced this from what I've said.
No, it would not happen within the day.
using this w/ the stress thing, then u r saying by lifting heavy wts, you will build bigger muscles and stength due to the max amt of stress u r putting on the bodys's muscles???
Yes, don't read too much into this example. It was EXTREMELY general. The science of hypertrophy is very intense.
so, the body sends a message saying those muscles are really being taxed, save all we can? then u r just maintaining what you have not building, yes/no?
Right, if you're dieting, resistance training serves to maintain muscle.
If you're in a caloric surplus, resistance training serves to increase muscle mass, strength, etc.
Okay, now I am really lost. I always thought this in regard to muscles ( heavier you lift bigger definition/strength u will see), but somewhere I believe u posted, which i might add, blew me away in regard to my current belief, that the only way to build muscle was to be in excess of calories and that is possible on deficit but very hard to do. So, maybe there is a difference between bigger muscles and building muscles. using heavy wts on calorie deficit - mean stronger muscles. Heavy wts on calorie maintenance
means stronger muscles. Heavy wts on an excess calorie diet (of course right mix of protien/carbs/fat) means adding additional muscles and strengthening the ones you have?
I'm not sure if I follow everything you are saying here.
But the gist of it is, you aren't going to add any appreciable amounts of muscle while dieting, no matter how you lift.
This gets a little skewed when you factor in extremely overweight people and extremely deconditioned people. These specific populations are more likely to experience some muscle gain even while dieting.
Beyond that, chances aren't good that you'll add any appreciable muscle while dieting.
You can certainly get stronger while dieting, assuming you haven't ever really lifted serious weight before.... but that's more about the neurology of it all and not the local musculature.
Also, thought you said, when on a calorie deficit and working out w/ wts. the only reason you are seeing the muscles is that you are losing fat and the muscles are being exposed.
Right, again, I'm not sure where you are getting otherwise from this thread? I'm very confused.
A vast majority of the time people *think* they increased their muscle mass while dieting when in reality, they simply shed the subcutaneous fat exposing the muscle that's been hiding all along.
Don't read me wrong though, there are certainly instances when simultaneous muscle gain and fat loss occur... read above.
Also, thought u said ( maybe wasn't you)that by workingout during calorie deficit helps to maintaiin your current muscles as not wt. training during the deficit would mean you would lose part of your lbm during the deficit.
You'll always lose some lbm while dieting.... it's the nature of the best. Resistance training though, is one of the primary stimuluses you can impose on your body, systemically, to maintain muscle while dieting. I'm not saying you'll maintain every ounce of it. But your chances of losing a significant amount are greatly reduced.
But that u weren't actually building but strengthening the existing muscle.
This depends.
For instance, I've been training seriously for well over a decade. When I diet, I rarely see an increase in strength.
However, if you take a novice and throw them into a diet, their nervous systems are not adapted to resistance training yet. Even in the face of a caloric deficit, there is plenty of room for improvement in terms of efficiency in the central and peripheral nervous systems once resistance training is thrown into the mix.
Also, (a little too many also's here, starting to sound like an arsooo)by working out during a deficit and maintaining lbm that muscle burns more cals than fat cells and therefore metabolism wont slow or slow as much as if u didn't work out?
The role muscle mass plays on metabolism is often over-stated. You're right to a certain degree. But metabolic fluctuations have much more to do with total body weight and our endocrine system.
So, again here, sounds like you are saying that while working out w/ wts., u r not buiilding or strengthening your muscles but just preserving what you have??
In general yes.
But hopefully some of the stuff I've mentioned above clears up some of the 'what-ifs.'
So, why all the talk on this forum about this mode. Seems like I have read over and over here that any diet below 1200 will slow your metabolism into starvation mode - meaning it will burn hardly anything and u wont be able to lose wt. plateau.
Haha, not sure what you're talking about. I'm here every single day and it's rare you see someone spreading that kind of rubbish. And if/when it does happen, they're always corrected by me or someone else in the know.
Again, don't read me wrong though....
All I'm saying (again) is that there is no pre-set caloric intake that invokes the starvation mode. If you look at it for what it really is, the moment you start dieting the starvation mode starts to kick in.
Again, the starvation mode is simply your body's response to a diet. That's all.
Said response can/will lead to eventual plateaus.
do you know of any studies done on metabolism and what really affects it? Would love to read 'em.
Hahaha, there are more studies than you can shake a stick at. That's way to general of a question. I suggest hitting up .
If you aren't versed in this stuff, or even research for that matter though, it's going to be a lot of jibberish to you.
Instead of delving into research, I think reading a good text would do you better.
So, is that why people say to change routines, because the bod gets use to doing the same old thing and adjusts for that?
That's why people say that, I assume. But they don't really understand physiology though, haha.
I don't advocate changing up routines very often. All that change can become necessary once your experience is through the roof.... but most people would get by just fine sticking and building upon the basics and eventually working in a little periodization.
But this is another topic in itself.
I was sittin' here wonderin' how the heck I got all those bars bc hardly anyone visits my diary..
I have been with myself everyday of my life, and I know what I have done works. Check out my blog(see signiture). I had fun figuring this stuff out. Calories are it. I think most people believe calories are something locked in sugar or something. They are units of energy. After you eat it, you either store it or burn it. Just find a way to get rid of the darn things. Eat less, run more, a little of both. If you burn more than you take in, you will lose weight.