Dying...........

Although I'm pretty new I thought the same thing. If you look a the post dates of a lot of the info on here you'd think half the world went to sleep.

ZZzzzzzz......
This is life in the health and fitness industry for the most part. People start out and then just give up when they dont see magical results or the results they got early on start to slow down. Others get the info they needed and then dont come back.

Personally i like the fact that its a small forum cuz i post on a couple of big ones (a boxing forum for example) and there are so many threads and people that its hard to keep track of everything and everyone.

As a small community we can band together and help each other stay motivated and attain our goals.
 
I think one of the biggest problems here is the lack of people who know what they are talking about when people ask questions with respect to exercise, etc. and they give advice that isn't always correct.

There aren't many people here who know what they are talking about. I can count them on one hand.

I wouldn't say there is a lack of people who know what they are talking about. I guess it depends on if you want to chat in the lounge or in weight loss for example. In the weight forum, the Shut up and skwat question which i asked was answered by quite a few people and I got encouraged. You could have "qualified people" who tell you that squatting below parallel is bad for you.
 
When I say "qualified", I actually mean "qualified", i.e., people who keep up to date with academic papers with respect to nutrition and fitness, and know enough about biochemistry, biomechanics and anatomy, as well as being able to understand what synergists and stabilizers are (for example) and whether or not a person's workout is retarded or not ... i.e., a professional.

For example, a person with a lot of fitness/workout experience under their belt (not just with themselves but with other people), a person who is familiar with Alan Aragon and Lyle McDonald (or any other individuals who are considered to be at the top of their field) and who reads and is able to understand said material is somebody who I think would be "qualified".
 
Some people tend to overcomplicate stuff in their quest to feel superior imo.

Most of it boils down to common sense and hard work. You dont need to have a degree to help a beginner get started.
 
Some people tend to overcomplicate stuff in their quest to feel superior imo.

Most of it boils down to common sense and hard work. You dont need to have a degree to help a beginner get started.

If I did what 95% of the people at gyms did, I'd also have a retarded workout just like them. They think they have common sense and have worked hard to attain their goals.

You may not need a degree to help a beginner get started, but good advice is good advice, and that's something I don't see very much of here.
 
I reckon there's a fair number of people who DO know the basics, and know what a good diet, and training programme is to achieve their goals. I think once you are aware of things like that, that your good to give decent advice upto a certain level, which is a number of people on this forum.

You dont need to know all the biology etc to give good advice, although it is good to have people like this to explain the ''why'' side to things.

Most questions on here are simply either to do with diet or training for a certain goal. Not many people ask for a biology lesson.

Personally, lately im learning that my goal (muscle and strength) is about being quite stubborn, and not listening to what everyone says and trying new things out for myself (to a certain extent).

:) :D ;)

Gerbils for life.
 
This place is certainly slow...and it didn't even feel like it picked up from December till now.

I agree with Tom in regards to most people don't need all the whys about training and nutrition, hell that probably would confuse most. Rather, lots of people just want to know what to do. So with that said, I think there's plenty of "qualified" people to give the basics on good lifts, proper eating, etc etc.
 
Some people tend to overcomplicate stuff in their quest to feel superior imo.

Most of it boils down to common sense and hard work. You dont need to have a degree to help a beginner get started.

It's very hard to overcomplicate how the body works, because it is very complicated. I actually don't see a lot of overcomplication here.. I do see a lot of people thinking it is a lot less complex than it actually is, though.
 
i think one thing besides the vulgarity of Tom and Kraken, hat set the forum back was the team journal idea. Alot of the board got seperated at that point.

Also-- I would comment that some of the things that were holding the board stonger in the past seemed to be discussion of actual training, building, and refining. Verses opinion, sexiness level, and the sort.

SO- I say this to Dying....
give your life to jesus and be saved
love hard
lift heavy
Run Long
sheep smell bad
and GET SOME BEEEEYATCH!

hhehehehe
FF
 
I think the forum requires a stimulus package, just like the economy needs a stimulus package to kickstart it. So how about you chaps rep me? With my new repping powers I'll soon be able to rep noobs. :D
 
DANG, I hate to agree with FF (lol, kidding brother). I was a member of the team journals and posting there did kind of wear me out since I was going thru a divorce, buying a house and trying/succeeding at losing weight etc. I simply didn't want to respond to many posts here. I might pop my head in and check some of them out but if I didn't feel really convicted about the post then I wouldn't post. But, it looks like most of the team journals are dead now. I think there are maybe a couple still going but most have gone by the wayside. Guess we'll see if the posts increase. After all, it is spring time!
 
I sort of agree with the team journals side to things.

I don't agree with FF about mine & Krak's vulgarnes (which i was very proud of).

ANYWAY LETS KICK START THIS F**KER BACK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
DANG, I hate to agree with FF (lol, kidding brother). I was a member of the team journals and posting there did kind of wear me out since I was going thru a divorce, buying a house and trying/succeeding at losing weight etc. I simply didn't want to respond to many posts here. I might pop my head in and check some of them out but if I didn't feel really convicted about the post then I wouldn't post. But, it looks like most of the team journals are dead now. I think there are maybe a couple still going but most have gone by the wayside. Guess we'll see if the posts increase. After all, it is spring time!

I agree with FF, to a narrow point.

The Team Journal concept fell a part for a variety of reasons, but its not due to the concept/reason "behind the idea of the team journals". It is more "applicable to the variables behind each person" and what they were willing/not willing/able to put in the the team journal concept to assist themselves or another.

Any idea is only as good as the people behind it to support it, and this can point to motivation, and since this is variable as well (lifestyle, personal problems, etc, etc), it also effected its success rate.

Its my opinion, I generated the idea at the time (at least on this forum and this is the very first time I have stated that), of which spun off other ideas based from the original. My purpose at the time was forum unity and motivation. While the concept was good, the road there, was not. Why? Determined by the people and its attitude behind it.

This is notwithstanding some other BS surrounding the conversations/activities before/during commencement which turned people off and made several persons drop out (including myself), which I will not get into. Attitude and some behavior additionally swallowed up any "additional" success it may have brought. I am not going to name names. Its obvious WHO they were.

We had a FANTASTIC turnout over 38 people at the time. I think it went further than what most thought at the time. Many members signed up: Some that never posted before (were lurkers), some that posted rarely, some that were relatively new to the forum, and lastly some regulars.

However, a stimulant caused "some" negative domino effects. Some of the "regular" members attitude and behavior turned people off and some started to quite/drop out (including myself)...>plain and simple.

And, I have the proof as much as posting allows.

I am not interested in BS, I am interested in honesty though. Once you read the entire process, it is rather CLEAR there were a select few members (regulars) attitudes and posting behavior that simply flipped the switch "off" for some people. I am not pointing to whether this is justified as much as I am just point to a FACT in how it "effected" certain people at the time.

Here are some links for those that are interested (Make your own personal opinion):

This is the thread I created, that started the process:

This thread had very good and honest intentions.

Firing-Up-the-Spirit-Between-Members

Subsequent Threads made: (Tony)


official-draft-thread

official-world-fitness-e-partner-lottery-draft

WHOM.....created what beast of complications in the above mess? We are not in this to necessarily spoon feed people, but creating our own poison we have control over to a degree, and this is our reactions/attitude.

You decide.


Best wishes,

Chillen
 
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Okay, we are disappointed about the activity (etc) on the forum.

Let's do something about it.

Most importantly, be HONEST in our assessment.

We can only do this by banding together, and the willingness (for some) to set aside some free time for the purpose of a improved forum. We only have ourselves, and the time (we are willing to share) to improve our beloved forum.

Let's do something about it in simple steps of progress. And, generate some ideas along our pathway.

What are some of the weaknesses on this forum (how can we reduce them?), and where can we obtain strengths? What can we learn from other successful forums (that are applicable to our rules and ways?)

I will start with a couple.

One of the weaknesses, I see are some of the stickies or lack thereof--per section topic.

Some need to be revised and revisited to improve information.

For Example:

The HIIT/Interval sticky........NEEDS IMPROVEMENT.

We should concentrate some efforts, on posting stickies to each section, and improving on others written by members here, and posting sticky articles by other people applicable to the section, and get these far more informative then they presently are.

IMO, there is nothing wrong with posting a "quality" article (not written by someone on this form) but through a notable and respected person in the section field (such as Lyle McDonald, etc, etc). As much as I respect the time the sticky was written, it is not specific enough and lacks information.

This may have (additional benefits) than you may think, trust me.

This one is far better than the one we have currently (as an example):

mike-boyle-explaining-interval-training

In addition, we had a new member post a "request" for a sticky in the "body weight training" section a while back. Not one person (as far as I know, including Mods/Admins) offered to take the steering mechanism on this to refer it to someone that is able/qualified to write it, or find a quality article to sticky. It is also possible no one took the initiative to PM a Mod/Admin, and ask questions and make a--request for action on this request. So when you add in the variables here, who is really the blame, brotha and sista's?

Its us as a whole. It is the members, AND Mods/Admin.

We simply have no established construction-habits on the forum. It is simply running without any leadership or guidance--in the "context-topic" we are speaking about in this thread.

I am willing to generate some ideas here. I have already offered suggestions several weeks back, in the interval section, which did not get a response from the mods/admin (they probably didn't see it).

Why is this important? Because a lot persons "lurk" and read. While this has a drawback of causing too much reading (maybe not registering), it can cause some people to register because of the information provided, promote referrals, and assist members to help another new member on certain topics (posting links to the sticky, if the new member didn't read it first). The positives outweigh the weight of the negatives. So let's agree on something here.

I plan to post additional comments, ideas, and suggestions later today.



Lets get started. If this fizzles out, and no action/reaction is taken, and it maintains its course......

Quit bitchen'. There is nothing friggen worse than whining.....just to friggen whine, when options on the table can solicit change. If you do not seek it, and try, and try again......then shut up. :)

To get a change, something has to change. And, you work it until it improves.

Plain and simple.


Best wishes,


Chillen
 
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Also-- I would comment that some of the things that were holding the board stonger in the past seemed to be discussion of actual training, building, and refining. Verses opinion, sexiness level, and the sort.

This is the key point, the forum before was kept together by a core group of posters who actually knew some **** worth reading. These guys no longer post much, partly because of all the petty bitching and finger pointing that goes on here by people who take this place far too seriously, as displayed in those rather monstrous and pointless posts made by Chillen above me.


Soemtimes less is more, find a decent point to make and say it, all the rest is just filler and **** not worth cluttering up space with.
 
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