workout doobies..

Bodybuilder diets are different, especially the bb's as serious as Arnold...they had to eat until they were sick. The weed helped them keep it down.
 
LeiYunFat said:
Bodybuilder diets are different, especially the bb's as serious as Arnold...they had to eat until they were sick. The weed helped them keep it down.
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Yes but the pro-bb is a rare breed. What you mostly have are those who want to be bodybuilders but the minute they put on some fat get all pussy and quit adding weight; this is where OLs/SM/PLs rule-they GFH so they can have better totals and results. I mean...how huge can you get on broccoli and chicken?

Of course, the drugs help.
 
I will argue that, since weed does mess with your brain a little, there are certainly people who don't respond the same as the majority.

good example is the guy who tattoos me. He's got a host of chemical imbalances, including anxiety disorder, adult ADD, OCD, and so on.

In addition to his prescribed meds, he also smokes blunts. He's a much happier, more comfortable, less edgy guy with the MJ tossed in. He also makes gold, silver and platinum grills, including setting the diamonds. He does this with a blunt in one hand, and diamonds in the other. And he makes bank doing it.

Is he the exception to the rule? probably.
Point is, there are a lot of unknown facts about weed.

However, I would agree that 99.9% of the population shouldn't smoke up before weight training. Most people will lose motivation and get distracted, and that can lead to bad form, and injuries.
 
Backmann said:
you guys all judge but have you even tried it...

I've done leg press and i did way more then i could when i was sober
and i find i can push myself harder and try harder at anything when i'm stoned...i can go into a classrom stoned off my tree and easily get 80% on a test whereas if i were to go in sober i wouldn't do as well..
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another reason you can lift more is you don't feel the pain. Pain is part of the reason people do not lift as much.

the test thing...its called withdrawl...your brain gets used to smoking if it is a regular daily habit and has trouble firing without it. thats when you KNOW you have a chemical dependancy. I found myself in the same situation when I was smoking and easy 2 oz/day myself. When I didn't smoke I was a lot slower then when I did. But, after not smoking for a month I noticed my concentration was much higher.
 
I've only smoked doobies before a workout like 10 times...i'm not an addict or anything i'll have the odd joint during the week and on the weekend but thats it...
 
malkore said:
I will argue that, since weed does mess with your brain a little, there are certainly people who don't respond the same as the majority.

good example is the guy who tattoos me. He's got a host of chemical imbalances, including anxiety disorder, adult ADD, OCD, and so on.

In addition to his prescribed meds, he also smokes blunts. He's a much happier, more comfortable, less edgy guy with the MJ tossed in. He also makes gold, silver and platinum grills, including setting the diamonds. He does this with a blunt in one hand, and diamonds in the other. And he makes bank doing it.

Is he the exception to the rule? probably.
Point is, there are a lot of unknown facts about weed.

However, I would agree that 99.9% of the population shouldn't smoke up before weight training. Most people will lose motivation and get distracted, and that can lead to bad form, and injuries.
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Yeah, there are plenty of examples of people who have reverse effects when taking drugs. For instance, Tom Arnold would do coke just to mellow out. People that have conditions such as ADHD tend to experience reverse effects. Like alcohol stimulates them and caffine depresses them.
 
LeiYunFat said:
Yeah, there are plenty of examples of people who have reverse effects when taking drugs. For instance, Tom Arnold would do coke just to mellow out. People that have conditions such as ADHD tend to experience reverse effects. Like alcohol stimulates them and caffine depresses them.
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I am defiantly not condoning the use of any illegal drugs here, but...

Ritalin, used for add/adhd, is a class 3 narcotic. When given to "normal" people it has the same effect as cocain, yet when a person who truely does have add/adhd use it they are mellowed. It depends on the chemals in the brain and what ballance they currently have.
 
I put up 265 on cocaine as opposed to 195 when im sober:cool:

I say do what you want, but the answer to your question is no it's probably only hurting you to workout high.
 
niceone said:
For a scientific angle:

Watanabe K, Motoya E, Matsuzawa N, Funahashi T, Kimura T, Matsunaga T, Arizono K, Yamamoto I. Marijuana extracts possess the effects like the endocrine disrupting chemicals. Toxicology. 2005 Jan 31;206(3):471-8.

The progesterone 17alpha-hydroxylase activity, which is one of the steroidogenic enzymes in rat testis microsomes, was significantly inhibited by crude marijuana extracts from Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA)- and cannabidiolic acid (CBDA)-strains. Delta(9)-Tetrahydrocannabinol, cannabidiol and cannabinol also inhibited the enzymatic activity with relatively higher concentration (100-1000 microM). Testosterone 6beta- and 16alpha-hydroxylase activities together with androstenedione formation from testosterone in rat liver microsomes were also significantly inhibited by the crude marijuana extracts and the cannabinoids. Crude marijuana extracts (1 and 10 microg/ml) of THCA strain stimulated the proliferation of MCF-7 cells, although the purified cannabinoids (THC, CBD and CBN) did not show significant effects, such as the extract at the concentration of 0.01-1000 nM. These results indicate that there are some metabolic interactions between cannabinoid and steroid metabolism and that the constituents showing estrogen-like activity exist in marijuana.

Pardo G, Legua V, Remohi J, Bonilla-musoles F. [Review and update: marijuana and reproduction] Acta Ginecol (Madr). 1985 Aug-Sep;42(7):420-9.

PIP: Longterm use of marijuana has been found to cause physiological changes that can alter individual reproductive potential. The effects of marijuana depend on the dose and can include death from depression of the respiratory system. Longterm effects are however particularly hard to assess. Marijuana is absorbed rapidly and eliminated very slowly. The active principle, delta-9-tetrahidrocannabinol (delta-9-THC), is highly liposoluble and fixes to the serum proteins, passing to the lungs and liver for metabolization and to the kidneys and liver for excretion. As with estrogens, there is an enterohepatic circuit for reabsorption and elimination. 90% is eliminated in the feces, 65% within 48 hours. Because of the enterohepatic circuit and liposolubility, elimination requires 1 week for completion. The other important biotransformation of the active principle is hydroxilation; the hydroxilated derivatives are responsible for the psychoactivity of cannabis. Cannabis affects both neuroendocrine function and the germ cells. Studies on experimental animals have indicated that THC can cause a decline in the pituitary hormones follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, and prolactin, and in the steroids progesterone, estrogen, and androgens. Human studies have shown that chronic users have decreased levels of serum testosterone. Because steroidogenesis can be restimulated with human chorionic gonadotropin, it appears that THC does not directly affect steroid production by the corpus luteum, but that its action is mediated by the hypothalamus. Because of its potent antigonadotropic action, THC is under study as an anovulatory agent. The same animal studies have shown that ovulation returns to normal 6 months after termination of use. High rates of anovulation and luteal insufficiency have been observed in women smoking marijuana at least 3 times weekly. THC accumulates in the milk. Animal studies have shown that THC depresses the enzymes necessary for lactation and causes a diminution in the volume of the mammary glands. In recent studies, significant amounts of the drug have been detected in both mothers' milk and the blood of newborns. Animal studies indicate that THC crosses the placenta, achieving concentrations in the fetus as high as those in the mother. Animal studies also demonstrated increasing frequency of abortions, intrauterine death, and declines in fetal weight. The effects were probably due to an alteration in placental function. A human study likewise showed that marijuana use during pregnancy was significantly related to poor fetal development, low birth weight, diminished size, and decreased cephalic circumference. Congenital malformations have been observed in experimental animals exposed to THC. Declines in sperm volume and count and abnormal sperm motility have been observed in chronic marijuana users. In vitro studies show that THC produces a marked degeneration of human sperm.


Pistis M, Ferraro L, Pira L, Flore G, Tanganelli S, Gessa GL, Devoto P. Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol decreases extracellular GABA and increases extracellular glutamate and dopamine levels in the rat prefrontal cortex: an in vivo microdialysis study. Brain Res. 2002 Sep 6;948(1-2):155-8.

Cannabinoid modulation of prefrontal cortex and hippocampus neuronal functioning has been correlated to the disruptive action of marijuana on memory tasks. This study investigates the effects of delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta(9)-THC) on dopamine, glutamate and GABA levels in vivo by brain microdialysis in the prefrontal cortex. Delta(9)-THC (1 mg/kg, i.v.) significantly increased extracellular dopamine and glutamate levels and decreased GABA levels. These effects were prevented by the cannabinoid antagonist SR141716A (1 mg/kg, i.v.), which per se was ineffective. These results suggest that delta(9)-THC disrupt the normal interplay between neurotransmitters in this area and may bear relevance in understanding neuronal mechanisms underlying cannabinoid-induced cognitive deficits.
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That is quite the thing to say considering it is the only drug in the world that has never had a single death related to it. You ever heard of some guy getting stoned and beating his wife or stealing from a bank to get a fix of marijuana? No you don't. Because it doesn't happen. You people should be attacking things that actually do harm to you like crack, meth, opiates or alcohol. You know that "scientific" study they did on monkey's that "Proved" that marijuana kills brain cells? Yeah, you know what they didn't tell you about that study? They put gas masks on the monkeys and forced cuban cigars worth of weed into their lungs without any air. They lost brain cells and died from suffocation. Not Marijuana. So, when you have Proof. that all these things are true. Show me, and I'll believe it. But until then, don't think that throwing out scientific words means it's the truth. The world was once scientifically "proven" to be flat and the world was the center of the universe at one time. Correct? Science can be wrong.
 
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