trying to loose 20-30lbs
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i think i found an answer to another problem in this thread i have been awefull tired lately i just don't ever feel like getting up and when i do exercise i just don't have the energy and have to force my self with motivation like if i lost weight i can do this..if i loose weight i will feel so much better and happier, i dont wanna end up like this overweight person.
i wouldn't say im a normal overweight person ( a lazy overweight person ) im pretty much active im just tired alot and wind up taking alot of naps
my diet some people would think is horrible even eating mcdonalds around 3 chrispie chickens is about 700 cals...
i had a friend in highschool who was bigger than i am now and i havent seen him for about 5 weeks and next time i seen him he was looking real skinny.
i wouldn't say im a normal overweight person ( a lazy overweight person ) im pretty much active im just tired alot and wind up taking alot of naps
my diet some people would think is horrible even eating mcdonalds around 3 chrispie chickens is about 700 cals...
i had a friend in highschool who was bigger than i am now and i havent seen him for about 5 weeks and next time i seen him he was looking real skinny.
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Doc Bunkum
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I want to throw something out here strictly for the sake of discussion. It's rather difficult to follow this thread as I believe there's three people saying essentially the same thing.
Anyhow, a number of people question...
Could it be that we're overlooking something here? That,as Bigguy2007 said, "Just because you read something doesnt mean its true"?
Here's my point. Hope you don't mind me using you as an example Bigguy2007, but according to your ticker your starting weight was 295 lbs. Now at that weight, a person is going to be carrying a lot of stored energy - fat (sorry, bud).
Without getting into a lot of physiology, is it not possible that such a person can indeed survive on 600 calories - and exercise - by using the stored fat as energy to make up the difference?
I got into this discussion once with a guy who had a lot of initials behind his name and had published a diet book. He claimed you could lose 5 lbs of fat a week with his method.
I pointed out that wasn't possible. To do that, you'd have to create a deficit of 17,500 calories a week - 2500 calories a day.
He in turn pointed out, as Bigguy2007 says, just because you read something doesn't mean its true. It's relative to your starting position. A heavier person will lose more fat than a lighter person, simply because they have more of the stuff to lose.
When I thought about it, it did make sense. Mathematically it doesn't work out - but in real life it seems to.
Of course though, Bigguy2007, if you keep going 2 months eating less then 1,000 calories, the weight you lose is going to be a large part muscle and there's no way on God's green earth that you'll be able to consume 3500 calories a day and maintain your weight when you start eating normal .
That part is a certainty.
Guys who flaunt initials are usually boobs.
And he probably doesn't know the difference between fat loss and glycogen/water fluctuation.
Blanketly saying it's possible or not is kind of silly as it's completely context-dependent. Factor an individual with very high maintenance into the equation and it goes from the realm of impossible to likely. Think about an individual with an energetic maintenance of say 4500 calories. There's a lot of room to wiggle there.
Not quite sure how you've come to that conclusion without factoring in the individual stats.... going back to that blanket statement idea from above.
*NOTE, I HAVE NOT READ THIS THREAD, SO FORGIVE ME IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
Note that these are the participants' maintenance techniques, not their weight loss techniques. And that it's a self-selecting sample which is completely nonrepresentative of the population as a whole.
80% of persons in the registry are women and 20% are men.
The "average" woman is 45 years of age and currently weights 145 lbs, while the "average" man is 49 years of age and currently weights 190 lbs.
There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh them self at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
Personally, I'd take their findings with a grain of salt, particularly when attempting to extrapolate to what will work in the initial stages of loss for someone with a significant amount to lose.
Doc Bunkum
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Not sure what you mean exactly by "energetic maintenance". Are you talking BMR?
If you are, then there's not that many fat people with an energetic maintenance that high. If it was, then they'd not likely be fat in the first place, unless they were real gluttons.
Anyways, given the accepted figure of around 3500 calories in a lb of fat, short of surgery or liposuction, to lose a pound of the stuff you're still going to have to figure out a way for the body to "burn" 3500 calories no matter what your energetic maintenance is.
What I was asking, does it make sense that a person with a lot of body fat could survive nicely on 700 calories - up to a point.
BTW, I had to search for that guy I mentioned. Real stiff by the name of Rhodri J Walters PhD and a bunch of other accomplishments he likes to flaunt. Came up with the interesting acronym "the HiPaCC diet" (High Protein and Cycled Carbohydrate). You can find it on the net if you ever want to see what he's "discovered". Nothing new really that hasn't been know in bodybuilding circles for a long time though.
Or course I'm not talking about BMR. I'm talking about energetic maintenance.
Put simply, calories in = calories out.
I concur.... that's why I'd never suggest such a thing. BMR/RMR is not as 'scattered' between populations as many think.
Right....
Hmmm, I don't think you're following my original post.
I've worked with a fair number of obese individuals. An example would be a 450 lb woman. Her energetic maintenance was something like 4700 calories. You have to remember, lugging around hundreds of extra lbs above baseline each and every day is very costly, energetically speaking.
BMR is elevated, but again as we agreed on above.... not to some astronomical extent.
For this individual, creating a weekly deficit of 17,500 isn't all that impossible at all.
Well if maintenance, again, is 4700 calories..... theoretically you could cut this person's intake down to something like 2000 calories per day. You do the math.
What do you mean by, "survive nicely"?
Hahahaha, what a genius concept. I won't waste my time.... sounds like another boob trying to pass off something 'old' as 'new and improved' to fatten his wallet.
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Bigguy2007
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Umm want to make a wager on that one? OBV its just another thing your wrong about. You obv have no idea what I can do.
Bigguy2007
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paydirt...........................?