There is a fine line
So easy to cross sometimes
what side will you live
Man am I getting these haikus right?
So easy to cross sometimes
what side will you live
Man am I getting these haikus right?
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You don't have to go near anyone. Yelling, hey "somebody called the cops" or "here come the cops" could be enough.
Once my family was heading away from the area (if with me) I'd like to think that's what I'd do. I'd also like to think I'd approach the crime for added effect. Eventually, yeah I’d stop chewing my bubble gum and start kicking some a$$. Not on my watch mister!
Note: All I just said could happen in seconds.
Witness crime, send family off dial cops, approach yelling, engage. What maybe 10 - 15 seconds other than telling LEO where you are?
Once my family was heading away from the area (if with me) I'd like to think that's what I'd do. I'd also like to think I'd approach the crime for added effect. Eventually, yeah I’d stop chewing my bubble gum and start kicking some a$$. Not on my watch mister!
Note: All I just said could happen in seconds.
Witness crime, send family off dial cops, approach yelling, engage. What maybe 10 - 15 seconds other than telling LEO where you are?
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You're slightly crazy I think. First off, the idea that you look out for yourself first and not strangers is pathetic. The woman in question was being raped, calling 911 and waiting for them to arrive takes too long and isn't good enough, you will have failed in your duty of being a human being capable of compassion and empathy.
And that example you gave is just plain dumb, you make it sound like your choices are A) shut the door in his face and let him get beaten to death then wait for the police to clean him off the street or B) get a gun and kill the attaker.
I've never heard anything so insane in my life. The obvious and decent thing is to let the injured man inside and call 911. I can't see how that situation would make anyone think, 'hang on a minute let me get my gun and kill someone'. That's pure lunacy and damn right he should go to jail. By letting the injured person inside you seperate the men and prevent more bloodshed.
If the incident occured away from the house you offer the attacked man protection but don't have to attack the attacker unless he persists with trying to kill the guy, in that case you restrain if you can and try to get the guy to cool down and explain. It's common sense Dallen, you must have been in some kind of heated exchange before?
Dallen, have you ever wondered if your depression and poor self image could have something to do with the way you view life, yourself and your role on this earth? Stop thinking about what you can do yourself and start thinking about what you can do for others. Your life will become richer, more fulfilling and happier. It sounds like your decisions are based around fear, and fear, as any Jedi will tell you, is the path to the dark side
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I don't see how a personal attack on me is going to further this thread. And yes, it could make me shut up, if that is your goal, and I'm not going to personally attack you and turn this into a big thread of personal attacks of people.
All I'm saying is that the general consensus of things around here is that the "right thing" to do is pure rage and violent. Like if you were just sitting at home and someone came to your door crying and bloody, and you have small children in your house, or whatever, and you let that person in to me is just as crazy.
What you're saying is that I should put my personal safety and above all else, the cost of my very own life, immediately and without question as soon as I see something, any time of the day, with anyone, anywhere at anytime. That to me is purely stupid and the biggest lie you can put out to someone. Yes you will get praises from other people about how they would do the exact same thing, but in reality it's highly doubtful one would do this or even care for it.
All I'm pointing out is that people who say these things generally do nothing when the time comes. All I'm pointing out is that we can talk about what we would or not do all day long. But the simple fact is that I'm willing to bet that over half the people at that incident probably were thinking the same thing you're thinking now, and when a reward suddenly pops up, it's suddenly a "good time" to do the "right thing."
All I'm pointing out is that if I were in this situation, I don't know what I'd do, but at the very least I would at least have called 911. I can safely tell you that I probably won't be jumping in the crowd. If I could see an opening where I can grab someone and pull them out, I would, but I'm not about to jump in, pull a Chuck Norris round house kick, double up, pick the girl over my shoulders, then do all that. That's silly and unrealistic and exactly what you're trying to tell me is the "right thing" to do and the only thing I can do, anything else I do, whether I call 911, or whatever, is not the "right thing" and a virtue of a coward.
All I'm saying is that the general consensus of things around here is that the "right thing" to do is pure rage and violent. Like if you were just sitting at home and someone came to your door crying and bloody, and you have small children in your house, or whatever, and you let that person in to me is just as crazy.
What you're saying is that I should put my personal safety and above all else, the cost of my very own life, immediately and without question as soon as I see something, any time of the day, with anyone, anywhere at anytime. That to me is purely stupid and the biggest lie you can put out to someone. Yes you will get praises from other people about how they would do the exact same thing, but in reality it's highly doubtful one would do this or even care for it.
All I'm pointing out is that people who say these things generally do nothing when the time comes. All I'm pointing out is that we can talk about what we would or not do all day long. But the simple fact is that I'm willing to bet that over half the people at that incident probably were thinking the same thing you're thinking now, and when a reward suddenly pops up, it's suddenly a "good time" to do the "right thing."
All I'm pointing out is that if I were in this situation, I don't know what I'd do, but at the very least I would at least have called 911. I can safely tell you that I probably won't be jumping in the crowd. If I could see an opening where I can grab someone and pull them out, I would, but I'm not about to jump in, pull a Chuck Norris round house kick, double up, pick the girl over my shoulders, then do all that. That's silly and unrealistic and exactly what you're trying to tell me is the "right thing" to do and the only thing I can do, anything else I do, whether I call 911, or whatever, is not the "right thing" and a virtue of a coward.
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people dont do it because there is no sense of personal responsibility - this has come from the american ability to sue others for your own **** ups.
this has spread around the world and this is why nobody helps - if you helped someone, they end up suing you because the criminals have been tried in a criminal court which means they cant get done for the charge in a civil court.
this has spread around the world and this is why nobody helps - if you helped someone, they end up suing you because the criminals have been tried in a criminal court which means they cant get done for the charge in a civil court.
It wasn't a personal attack, I simply said that the example you gave was stupid as it assumes that you can either let someone get beaten to death or kill the alleged attacker. Also, the idea that you could stand back and allow a woman to be gang raped to save yourself from harm is pathetic, sorry but that's not an attack it's a simple fact
Also, why do you associate acting to help someone with physical violence? You don't have to be strong to make a difference, just you making your presence known is th emost important thing. Even if they could beat you up the chances are they'd rather run and get away
And the last bit about your outlook on life was not an attack but a serious point. You suffer a lot from poor self image and a lot of posts in this thread seem to indicate that you have a very introverted outlook on life. You refer to self protection as the 'smart' thing which seems like a very odd outlook to me
I think you're confusing what I'm trying to point out. What I'm trying to say is that it sounds like what a lot of people are angry about in this situation and a lot of others is that someone didn't do "something." And it appears that the assumption is that the "something" involved physical violence and use of force. Look back to the incidence about the pizza store and how people said they would have beat that other guy up and how easy it would be to beat that person up.
To say the least, I would help this person out to the best of my abilities which in this case would be to call 911. You even said that calling 911 isn't the best option as they would come too late and I would need to take action. If I had 3 people with me, and we'd go head first into that situation, I would, but we're assuming here that we're all by ourselves, walking down the streets, and just happen to have noticed this. I would not ignore it, but I would not assume that the only way I can help is by using physical force and put myself at risk in that fashion.
I don't think it's so much as lack of self-esteem or self-confidence that plays a role here. It's about what would someone do, and what I would do is call 911. That's it. But it appears that even that is viewed as "doing nothing" and that doing the "right thing" implies use of physical force at all cost.
And let's think for a second here. Rape is a very violent crime, usually. And this would mean that people are in "violent" mode and ready to strike. I can tell you that I cannot take on more than one person at a time. I might be able to land a few good blows here and there on my way in, but I would not be enough. Let's say I did this, and not called 911, and ended up getting belted in and knocked out, then I'd have to wait for the next guy to do the right thing and call 911.
If anything, I think a smart thing to do would be to call 911, then walk over there and tell everyone you just called the police to scare them away. Even take a picture if you want, that way you can be like I know who you are, the police are on their way, and you're going to jail buddy.
To say the least, I would help this person out to the best of my abilities which in this case would be to call 911. You even said that calling 911 isn't the best option as they would come too late and I would need to take action. If I had 3 people with me, and we'd go head first into that situation, I would, but we're assuming here that we're all by ourselves, walking down the streets, and just happen to have noticed this. I would not ignore it, but I would not assume that the only way I can help is by using physical force and put myself at risk in that fashion.
I don't think it's so much as lack of self-esteem or self-confidence that plays a role here. It's about what would someone do, and what I would do is call 911. That's it. But it appears that even that is viewed as "doing nothing" and that doing the "right thing" implies use of physical force at all cost.
And let's think for a second here. Rape is a very violent crime, usually. And this would mean that people are in "violent" mode and ready to strike. I can tell you that I cannot take on more than one person at a time. I might be able to land a few good blows here and there on my way in, but I would not be enough. Let's say I did this, and not called 911, and ended up getting belted in and knocked out, then I'd have to wait for the next guy to do the right thing and call 911.
If anything, I think a smart thing to do would be to call 911, then walk over there and tell everyone you just called the police to scare them away. Even take a picture if you want, that way you can be like I know who you are, the police are on their way, and you're going to jail buddy.
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Well there you go, of course police need to be called but you can't just wait for them to arrive, and by 'doing something' I wasn't implying beating them up, just doing something, even if it means getting your head kicked in trying to push them away. IMO the pain of a broken ribcage goes away but the knowledge you stood by and did nothing will haunt you for eternity
But you would be doing something. You called 911 and the police will come. I guess the question is what sort of steps are you saying one should take before it's considered doing "nothing?" I mean if your objective is to prevent it totally, then you're already too late. By you saying that "no matter the cost even if you broke a rib" implies that you would be using physical force to prevent it. So I'm still not following what doing "nothing" means here.
But in anycase, it's hypothetical at this point and time. No one knows what they'd do in the situation.
Haha, yeah your right about not knowing until it happens, some people will freeze.
By 'doing nothing' I mean standing back and allowing it to continue. Physical force doesn't have to be applied but if they get physical then be prepared to get hit a lot. Sometimes you just need to grow a pair and take the blows for the greater good
And sorry if I offended you, I think your view on what the smart thing to do is so far wrong I can't understand it but I didn't want to offend
By 'doing nothing' I mean standing back and allowing it to continue. Physical force doesn't have to be applied but if they get physical then be prepared to get hit a lot. Sometimes you just need to grow a pair and take the blows for the greater good
And sorry if I offended you, I think your view on what the smart thing to do is so far wrong I can't understand it but I didn't want to offend
I'm glad there are people like you out there, Typhon
Haha, cheers, but Dallen is right though, you never really know how you'll react until the time. My aim is to always put the safety of others before my own though, I just hope I always live up to that