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You are at a high school dance and watch a gang rape. You do nothing - don't call police, don't tell the administration - nothing, until the Richmond, CA, police offers a $20K reward for information at which time you come forward and walk away with $20K.

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That is the problem now a days. People expect something to be a good person. It is very sad.

People like that deserve to have something bad happen to them and nothing get "said" until a reward is often, but never offer the reward.
 
the problem is too many 'good sameritans' get in trouble.

I see a man choking in a restaurant. I give him the heimlich. He's no longer choking, but I broke two ribs so he sues me for $150,000, and quite possibly wins the case.

I'm not saying 'don't do good things' but you gotta be real careful.

These kinds of things always run through my head, since I (on occasion) legally carry a concealed 9mm on my hip. I pray I NEVER have to draw it, let alone use it.

But I'd guarantee I would do what I could to stop a gang rape.
 
malkore said:
I see a man choking in a restaurant. I give him the heimlich. He's no longer choking, but I broke two ribs so he sues me for $150,000, and quite possibly wins the case.
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In America they do have good Samaritan laws where they cannot file a civil suit against you should you help someone in a reasonable fashion.


As for this case, it sounds rather gross and disgusting. From what I understand though these were a bunch of highschool students. I don't know how or why, but modern teenagers tend to think that "ratting" or being a "snitch" are the worst crimes against anyone. As a matter of fact, recently, a boy was dose with alcohol and set on fire over a 40 dollar debt on a video game, and telling his dad on someone trying to steal his custom made bike.

As for this case, I suspect, but don't know the full facts yet, that it probably has to do with "snitching" and this was "payback" and anyone who was there probably didn't want to be considered a snitch or rat by reporting the incident.

Honestly, I think a lot of good students have this happen to them but in smaller scales that you just don't hear about.
 
Also, about being a good samaritan here in America. Recently right down the streets from my house, someone stopped their car to let someone walk pass. The person then quickly jumped in the car, and held the person at gun point.

So it's really hard to know how to be a good samaritan these days with so many bad people running around. But I think in this case about the group rape and torture, I don't think it had anything to do with being a good Samaritan. I think it had to do with a bunch of terrible people grouped together deciding to do this.


You know what I find even more disturbing is that the parents come on and says stuff like, "But he had good grades, no way he could have done this." I mean that statement right there just proves what a bunch of misguided parents there are out there. I mean good grades does not translate to being a good person, and even recently, in my area they decided that no one can get below a 67 (which is still failing), so all one needs to do is slack off the entire semester and then pass the final and get a C or maybe even a B. So basically the concept of modern school and grades are just down the toilet, and in no way anymore does "good grades" translate to being a "good person."
 
malkore said:
I'm not saying 'don't do good things' but you gotta be real careful.

These kinds of things always run through my head, since I (on occasion) legally carry a concealed 9mm on my hip. I pray I NEVER have to draw it, let alone use it.

But I'd guarantee I would do what I could to stop a gang rape.
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:eek2: Seriously?
 
I usually mind my own business and try to walk with blinders on for those very reasons. You try to be good and you'll get screwed. Imagine if that person would have tried to stop the gang rape and would have gotten stabbed or shot? yeah, if he woulda minded his own business or not went over to see WTF was going on, he would be alive.

You know, not ignorantly, but smartly wear blinders. In that, I'm aware of my surroundings to an extent, but I don't rubberneck or gawk at anything....unless it's wearing a bikini :p
 
oicdn said:
I usually mind my own business and try to walk with blinders on for those very reasons. You try to be good and you'll get screwed. Imagine if that person would have tried to stop the gang rape and would have gotten stabbed or shot? yeah, if he woulda minded his own business or not went over to see WTF was going on, he would be alive.

You know, not ignorantly, but smartly wear blinders. In that, I'm aware of my surroundings to an extent, but I don't rubberneck or gawk at anything....unless it's wearing a bikini :p
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I'd rather be dead that live in the knowledge that I let that happen, just my 2cents though, life without honour is far worse than death
 
Typhon said:
I'd rather be dead that live in the knowledge that I let that happen, just my 2cents though, life without honour is far worse than death
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As crazy as that sounds, I agree. I would never just walk by if something like that was happening. That's inhuman. It's not even to feel better about myself or live with the guilt, that's just natural to me. That's what I would do. You help people when they need help. WTF happened to this world?
 
Honestly, when I think about it, at least for myself, I can say that I would hesitate if something like that happened. I mean I don't think I'm a bad person, and yeah, I'd feel bad, but I think a lot of us could sit here and talk a lot about stuff we would or wouldn't do, but talk is cheap.

Like if you saw someone take a purse, would you honestly chase them? I mean if I saw that, I say I'd probably try to stop the person, but I'm not about to chase them down and possibly injure myself and what if the person was like, "Don't worry about it, I can call in and cancel my cards?"

But in this case though, if I was walking, I'd think I'd at the very least call 911, however, even that is getting to be a hassle. Get this, one time I was driving down the freeway, noticed an accident on the HOV lane, so I called 911. They tell me that it's the state police job, so they transfer me. I wait.... and wait.... and wait..... and wait.... and no one picks up and I reach my destination, and go, man, perhaps I should have stopped, but it's on the other side of the freeway and I tried calling help.

So who knows how to help properly, and also, I'm a bit skeptical of the news with this. I mean people like Glenn Beck talks a lot about how America is no longer helping people, and he even promotes vigilante justice but yet never in his life has he lent a hand to help people like he said he would, but honestly, the news never reports about nice things people do. If this story changed around and someone did actually help, it wouldn't get the attention it's getting now. It would be a "minor" story about some guy who helped out, and rarely would such a person be hailed as a hero and even the police would investigate about crimes and might even slap a charge on the person like discharging a firearm within city limits or carrying a weapon in a bar with more than 20 people, or something silly like that.
 
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Honestly, when I think about it, at least for myself, I can say that I would hesitate if something like that happened. I mean I don't think I'm a bad person, and yeah, I'd feel bad, but I think a lot of us could sit here and talk a lot about stuff we would or wouldn't do, but talk is cheap.

Like if you saw someone take a purse, would you honestly chase them? I mean if I saw that, I say I'd probably try to stop the person, but I'm not about to chase them down and possibly injure myself and what if the person was like, "Don't worry about it, I can call in and cancel my cards?"
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Agreed, talk is cheap. And I'll hopefully never have to prove it haha, but I know for a fact I would do something. The purse thing, different story. It's a purse. And you're right, I probably would not run after someone who has a knife and grabbed a purse :eek: , but that is, as you said, a much different situation.
 
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Honestly, when I think about it, at least for myself, I can say that I would hesitate if something like that happened. I mean I don't think I'm a bad person, and yeah, I'd feel bad, but I think a lot of us could sit here and talk a lot about stuff we would or wouldn't do, but talk is cheap.

Like if you saw someone take a purse, would you honestly chase them? I mean if I saw that, I say I'd probably try to stop the person, but I'm not about to chase them down and possibly injure myself and what if the person was like, "Don't worry about it, I can call in and cancel my cards?"
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Yeah I would, I stand up to gangs and thugs all the time, even for things like throwing litter on the floor or being rude to people. It drives my wife crazy as she says I'll probably end up getting killed like that (pretty sure she's right too).
The worst I've ever had is a knife pulled to my face and told to hand over my money, I didn't and they had no idea what to do next so I walked away :rofl:

Never been stabbed yet though :D

Often the fear of conflict is far worse than the reality
 
Perhaps you have the size and talent to beat someone down. I don't. I'm a fairly weak individual, so I won't be running around after thugs and stuff.
 
wow. how hard is it to just call the cops or tell an authority?
anyway, i'd know that teens nowadays are getting more selfish and getting ****tier in the mind--4 years in high school shows you a lot of @$$#0les.

and yeah, sometimes it takes a lot out of you to be a "good samaratin", but its worth it if you really helped the other person--that is... if you love them as you love yourself.

however, if you love yourself above all else, the good samaratin thing will never work for you.

thats the thing--a lot of people love themselves too much nowadays, they are selfish and inconsiderate. the first thing they always think about is--"how will this benefit me?" ..and if it doesnt, why would i do it?
 
oicdn said:
I usually mind my own business and try to walk with blinders on for those very reasons. You try to be good and you'll get screwed. Imagine if that person would have tried to stop the gang rape and would have gotten stabbed or shot? yeah, if he woulda minded his own business or not went over to see WTF was going on, he would be alive.

You know, not ignorantly, but smartly wear blinders. In that, I'm aware of my surroundings to an extent, but I don't rubberneck or gawk at anything....unless it's wearing a bikini :p
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this is so pathetic. Honestly, the person at the *very* least could have called 911 and reported it. This is why our society is in such bad shape.
 
Its a deterioration of society in general and its not just in the US. its interesting how the woman yelled for help and passers-by did nothing. One wonders what a feral gang of girls is doing anyway wielding metal bars and attacking lone women?

Maybe we could have a gang of women somewhere in the world attacking a lone man and raping him. Anything is possible these days.
 
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Perhaps you have the size and talent to beat someone down. I don't. I'm a fairly weak individual, so I won't be running around after thugs and stuff.
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I'm a naturally aggressive person I guess, without a decent moral upbringing I would have ended up in a gang too but I choose to stick up for the underdog instead.
But I'm not big and strong enough to brush of being stabbed in the chest so what I did was probably dumb but at the time I wasn't scared, just angry. About an hour later I was sh***ing bricks though and the event did leave mental scars for a few years but I don't regret it
 
Well as I stated, which I think was missed, that I would have at the very least called 911, but again, you can't even depend on 911 anymore these days which I learned.

I don't think it's a question of moral or ethics, here. Because it appears that the general consensus with doing the "right thing" would be to use violence, physical force, placing yourself and the victim at risk above and beyond what the call is. I found that people who generally share this view usually does nothing when the time actually comes.

In my personal opinion, if you want to defend something, defend yourself, and your family. Not strangers, and strangers should always, always be treated with second guess.

Let me ask you guys this question. If someone came to your doorway, all bloody, screaming for help, would you let that person in after seeing that a man out there is attacking him/her with a weapon? This has happened, mind you. The smartest thing to do would be close the door, call 911, and let the police handle it. However, this particular person decided to do the "right thing" and attempted to use violence force (e. gun), and shot the would-be attacker. Now that person is in jail because he did the "right thing" but the person at the door was stealing something, and the attacker was just chasing the person after injuring.

I don't think it's smart to use "blind rage" and assume that everyone who is being attacked is a honest person and requires your help. It's better to know things after the fact, and use smart judgment in a situation rather than placing yourself, your family, and people at risk.
 
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