The recent bomb attack on US-bounded airplane
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Why does everyone think that radical extremists have to be mental and weak minded?
We had a failed terror attack on an airport a few years back, the terrorists were doctors. They had been to university for many years and passed their medical degrees, they had then been working successfully in British hospitals for years.
From their point of view, they see thousands of people, some of them possibly being their family members, being killed by the UK and US for the sole aim of imposing our beliefs on the islamic world and controling their governments and oil (not saying that's what we're doing but that's the way many from the region see it).
I'm not saying they're right or that it's ever right to resort to terrorism but if you fail to empathise with their view then we'll never get any closer to understanding their motives and preventing even more people converting to extremism.
We had a failed terror attack on an airport a few years back, the terrorists were doctors. They had been to university for many years and passed their medical degrees, they had then been working successfully in British hospitals for years.
From their point of view, they see thousands of people, some of them possibly being their family members, being killed by the UK and US for the sole aim of imposing our beliefs on the islamic world and controling their governments and oil (not saying that's what we're doing but that's the way many from the region see it).
I'm not saying they're right or that it's ever right to resort to terrorism but if you fail to empathise with their view then we'll never get any closer to understanding their motives and preventing even more people converting to extremism.
I think that Muslims like Darren who tell us that this is the work of mental ill people are wrong. We saw the CIA bomber, he was a doctor who had fooled three countires into believing that he was not terrorist but then killed the CIA people. He was not a mental patient but was a tripple-agent responsible for the bigest deception, I think other deceptions are by double agent but he was a triple agent.
The Muslim people should not just sit and complain that the Americans are going to Iraq/Aghanistan. How many of the Muslim counties have tried to help Somalia for example?
The Muslim people should not just sit and complain that the Americans are going to Iraq/Aghanistan. How many of the Muslim counties have tried to help Somalia for example?
The people who did those attacks though were pure Middle Eastern folks though. They have high education and believe in what they're doing is right. This particular man who did this bomb was a Muslim convert and just used religion as a fuel for hatred and mental illness. There is a huge difference in my opinion. Like a lot of so-called "Christian" fundamentalist in America use religion to fuel hate. Organizations like Neo-Nazism and KKK. If someone in attributed to those organization tried this attack, they wouldn't be called a "terrorist" but the rightful title of "Mentally Insane Man attempts to blow plane up." Just because someone says they're "Muslim" doesn't mean that suddenly everything they do is a terrorist act aimed against US.
I'll agree if someone said, "Muslims recruit mentally unstable people by fundamentalist approach to bomb US." That would make more sense. This man isn't a "mastermind" just an idiot who happened to use Muslim as validation.
I'll agree if someone said, "Muslims recruit mentally unstable people by fundamentalist approach to bomb US." That would make more sense. This man isn't a "mastermind" just an idiot who happened to use Muslim as validation.
You are taking us for fools. What about US citizen Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan the Fort Hood shooter? Was he "pure Middle Eastern folks"?
You also did not answer the question on what Arabs/Muslim are doing to help real Muslims in need such as those in Somalia.
I didn't even know there was a question posed?
That guy who did the Ft. Hood had parents in the US who had him, but they were FROM the Middle East, so he's purely middle eastern, not a US born family member? The fact is despite numerous warnings of his Muslim outreach, everyone chose to ignore it and gave him promotions. He even wrote down numerous complaints about the war and so on, but yet they were all ignored. Someone should have looked into it, but they kept giving him promotions and so on.
Read this:
Everyone chose to ignore the warnings and that's what happened.
Is he mentally ill? No, he was against US in the Middle East, and he died doing what he believed was "justice." There is a clear difference, though I'm not saying what he did was right in anyway. *Edit* He didn't died, but he tried to. *Edit*
He wasn't a Muslim convert like this guy who tried to blow up the plane. There is a big difference in the two, in my opinion.
And no, I did not say anyone was idiots. My question was simply: Does the media/US tend to play with these sort of stories simply because of the fact that he's Muslim and using it as a validation on the war in the Middle East?
It's like saying that someone in France likes KKK in America, and decides he's gonna do crimes against race there in France, does that mean that they're justified in a war against Americans because it's "proof" that American is a nation of hate?
That guy who did the Ft. Hood had parents in the US who had him, but they were FROM the Middle East, so he's purely middle eastern, not a US born family member? The fact is despite numerous warnings of his Muslim outreach, everyone chose to ignore it and gave him promotions. He even wrote down numerous complaints about the war and so on, but yet they were all ignored. Someone should have looked into it, but they kept giving him promotions and so on.
Read this:
Everyone chose to ignore the warnings and that's what happened.
Is he mentally ill? No, he was against US in the Middle East, and he died doing what he believed was "justice." There is a clear difference, though I'm not saying what he did was right in anyway. *Edit* He didn't died, but he tried to. *Edit*
He wasn't a Muslim convert like this guy who tried to blow up the plane. There is a big difference in the two, in my opinion.
And no, I did not say anyone was idiots. My question was simply: Does the media/US tend to play with these sort of stories simply because of the fact that he's Muslim and using it as a validation on the war in the Middle East?
It's like saying that someone in France likes KKK in America, and decides he's gonna do crimes against race there in France, does that mean that they're justified in a war against Americans because it's "proof" that American is a nation of hate?
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Before we proceed any furhter, we need to look at various false statements made by Darren :-
1. This sounds like a mentally disturbed man who used Muslim. BIG LIE
2. Terrorism is done by Middle Eastern folks. BIG LIE
3. The Christmas day bomb plotter was a Muslim convert. BIG LIE
This is what the Christmas day bomber posted on a website from wikipedia :-
The bomber is not a Muslim convert nor is he mental patient. He genuinely believe his dreams and cause. That is terrorism to us but to him he think it is write.
1. This sounds like a mentally disturbed man who used Muslim. BIG LIE
2. Terrorism is done by Middle Eastern folks. BIG LIE
3. The Christmas day bomb plotter was a Muslim convert. BIG LIE
This is what the Christmas day bomber posted on a website from wikipedia :-
The bomber is not a Muslim convert nor is he mental patient. He genuinely believe his dreams and cause. That is terrorism to us but to him he think it is write.
Hey if you don't believe it, that's fine. This isn't a topic to convince you or anything. Also why you have to go with personal insults rather than dispute what I wrote? I mean calling me Darren? I'm not sure if that's suppose to be funny or some type of joke in your country, but I suppose that is how you work with these sort of things. Instead of answering the original question you go right ahead and go for insults in an attempt to make me stop talking. So what is up with that? The topic is now changed to that. Why is it that whenever someone brings up something, someone gotta get butthurt about it?
This is the truth.
I’m hoping that one day soon they’ll find a planet with a hospitable climate similar enough to Earth that people can live there and then we can create a utopian paradise for atheists so we can stop all the wars and exploding planes
The question I have is if religion causes hate, or is it that people use religion as a validation for their already hateful nature? In your utopia of paradise, hate would be caused by other ways of validations. Just remember that America was founded on this principle that anyone can do anything, but yet our country has many forms of hatred and violence that uses religion as a validation for their hatred.
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Multiple choice question.
When a thread starts as "What do you think about..." and ends in "Religion causes hate." it's time to:
1) Close the thread.
2) Make fun of the OP cuz' he's an idiot.
3) Drink beer and eat pizza.
4) Cheer it on in the hopes of further entertainment.
First one to get the right answer wins the Ipod.
Replace "wins" by "buys" and "won" by "bought".
Multiple choice question.
When a thread starts as "What do you think about..." and ends in "Religion causes hate." it's time to:
1) Close the thread.
2) Make fun of the OP cuz' he's an idiot.
3) Drink beer and eat pizza.
4) Cheer it on in the hopes of further entertainment.
First one to get the right answer wins the Ipod.
Replace "wins" by "buys" and "won" by "bought".
I have one problem with what you said here:
How would RENEWING everyones HATRED be a means of *ENDING* the war? If they were looking for a way to end it, "planting" a bomb would not be that way.
How would RENEWING everyones HATRED be a means of *ENDING* the war? If they were looking for a way to end it, "planting" a bomb would not be that way.
Um, the Ft. Hood guy was a Muslim, regardless of where he was born. He got promoted because he was a good soldier. They didn't promote him or deny him promotion because of his disapproval of the war in Iraq. If you know anything about the war or people who are over there fighting it, A LOT OF THEM are against it. I know a dozen people who are stationed there now that are AMERICAN and they are against the war, but it is their job to be there. He clearly did not want Americans going over there and attacking for a reason.
Yes, he did what he believed in when he attacked Ft. Hood, which was go against the government who had taken him in. My friends think it's dumb that they are still over there and still getting shipped out, but they aren't shooting up their stations. It's their job and they just do it.
Another note, he DID NOT try to "die." He was shot by another soldier while he was attacking. He *could* have ended his life with his own gun, but instead he was shot and disarmed.
Your comment on them "chosing to ignore the warnings" is very ignorant. Did he say, "Hey, I'm gonna shoot the place up if you try to ship me out?" No. He just said he did not want to be sent to war in Iraq, he said he refused to do it.
Has the governement covered up things in the past? Sure. I wouldn't doubt it, but the thought that is was planned by the government and further that it was planned to "end the war" as you put it, is complete nonsense.
Quite frankly, I think you are just as bad as the media because you are trying basically to say Muslims had nothing to do with this and it was just cause he was mentally disturbed. This kid could not have pulled this off on his own in such a short time. The bomb was placed stratigically not randomly. You need knowledge of the planes structure to pull this off. His father, unless I am mistaken isn't a Muslim, and even if he is, HIS FATHER was the one who warned the government that his son was crazy and had run off with some group to do something crazy.
Oh, lets not forget that it's not MUSILMS who are doing this, but terrorists. They just so happen to be Musilm. I'm not defending anyone here, but, if this is the road you want to take, go read up on the Inquisitions. Christians could be viewed as terrorists as well, and still ccan because *some* groups preach nothing more than "people who don't believe in our god are going to hell and you need to convert them." Don't believe me? Go watch Jesus Camp.
This is the only part I will agree with you on. America was founded on the freedom of religion, but is headed in a direction of being run by Christians. There was a problem with Kerry cause he was a Mormon and EVERYONE called Obama a muslim because of his name/background, meanwhile he is a baptist (iirc). In some cases, people use their religion as an excuse, as in my above mentioned statement.
On that note, and to avoid hurting your feelings or getting perma-banned, I am out. I will be doing my very best not to post again unless there is a more educated response from the OP.
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Well, forgive my rudeness, but I'm not the one saying that Obama staged an "attempted" bombing in an effort to refuel our "hatred" and **END** the war.....
But anyhoo, yes. it was a dead thread and a response wasn't completely necessary. I read the first 3 or 4 posts and posted my initial response, hence my double post and addition to the very bottom of the second one.
Agree to disagree I guess.
Cheers!
