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Based on the checking I did on the user...no. I do not believe I misconstrued his intentions. User name, profile, website, info..sorry..I'm sure I have him pegged.

Here is a contrary study to the science you cited.

Same question: Does late night eating cause weight gain? Two reputable universities came to two dissimilar conclusions on the same question. I didn’t cite this to oppose your argument. That wasn’t my purpose. I was attempting to make the point that when it comes to exercise and nutritional science, human nature is fluid.
As a guideline we should avoid smoking if we want to live a long and healthy life. Yet, the great jazz musician Hubie Blake who died at age 103 smoked from the time he was a preteen. Go figure. Remember the guy in the movie Supersize me who said he ate about 5 big macs per day for years. He wasn’t overweight and the doctors said his blood work was good. Once again, go figure.

When you have two contrary empirical studies to the same question, what do you turn to-anecdotes? Years of anecdotes have taught me that as a guideline, it’s best not to eat late at night. Why? Let’s connect the dots. Our body’s circadian rhythm slows our metabolism as we approach our bedtime. It does this otherwise we’d be wired and not be able to fall asleep. This is why as a general rule (doesn’t apply to everyone) it’s best not to drink caffeinated coffee at night.

In the late evening as our body approaches it bedtime, our body will expend calories to digest whatever we eat. But it will not utilize it in the same way as it would during the early part of the day. Yes. I agree with you it matters what you eat to an extent. Ice cream would be worse. Hamburgers and french fries would be bad. Yet even if it was a mixed green salad with salmon on the side if it’s right before bed, your body will be more inclined to convert and store it as fat. It’s your body’s circadian rhythm cycle’s way of maintaining homeostasis.

Am I dogmatic to say everyone who does this will gain weight? No. But as a general guideline if some one wanted to lose weight within a prescribed time frame, and they asked me if they should eat their last meal at 7 p.m. or 10 p.m. right before they go to bed, that’s a no-brainer.

It’s very easy to cherry pick a scientific study when we want it to conform to our prejudice. We run with that study and become dogmatic and closed minded in our beliefs. I’ve been there. I’m guilty of that. Years later, I’ve learned to search out a contrary study, weight both, and if they both have persuasive arguments, look for anecdotes.

This doesn’t mean you dismiss all scientific studies. It means you can now adopt a guideline while knowing it will have fluidity in it. If I asked 1000 people to jump off the empire state building, 1000 people would die. Gravity is a hard science certainty. But if I asked 1000 people to smoke, maybe 800 will die an early death, 200 may live to be 100. The point, no scientific exercise or nutritional study is a set in stone irrefutable law. Let’s remember that less we become dogmatic and close-minded in what we believe.
 
Don't eat after xx o'clock is a blanket statement and doesn't work. Blanket statements rarely do.

What about somebody who works at night, or is in the habit of going to bed really late at night? What about somebody who didn't have the chance to eat during the day, should they rather starve themselves than getting something to eat?

Stop generalising. As somebody who calls himself a professional in the heath/weight-loss business you should know better than everybody else that weight loss is different for everybody, and what works for some might not necessarily be the way to go for others. To apply a blanket rule to everybody is probably one of the worst things to do.

You mention that not everything applies to everybody, but then you throw generalised statements around, go figure.

What irks me more than those little details is the tone of your post though. I don't know if you realise it, but most people who promise 'fast' weight loss are full of youknowhwat, and usually spammers. And the way you presented yourself is hardly doing you any favours.

To use one of your quotes from earlier in this thread:

"People need specifics my friend. General knowledge won't help them. I see you have a lot of empirical knowledge."

Applies to you, only you just don't seem to be able to get it across in a non-condescending way. Plus, most of what you originally posted is general knowledge.

Just sayin'....
 
First of all, great post GetFitn6. I don't mean to sound like I'm going against the grain here, but what he/she says is true - I'd believe someone that lost weight doing 'x' over a study that said doing 'x' doesn't work.

San, (lol, "just sayin"), maybe you and the other mods could make a rule that new posts need to have questions instead of statements. Making a thread that says, "do this!" is the quickest way to get flagged by you guys, but I also think that it's the only way some people that actually want to help can get their ideas across.
We should realize that unless you're used to posting on forums, I find it's difficult to get the etiquette right. I've definitely had trouble sounding like I'm just trying to help, and I remember being PM'd by Jericho for an early "statement" post. I'd like to think I've changed my approach, but I can see why it might be tough for people that don't necessarily have questions to make helpful suggestions.

...just sayin
 
Toddless - I lost 120 lbs and always had my last meal around 10 pm. Been there, done it, know that it depends on the individual.

As for making a new post, no, I don't think that's necessary. We get tons of new people every day, and very few of them find it necessary to waltz in and put a post up that says 'Do this!'. It's simple manners not to walk into a room full of people and shout at them to do something - you wouldn't do it in real life, so don't do it on an internet forum.

Apart from all of that, as mods, we do see a little bit more than the regular members. And we do question more as a result of that. We don't just 'flag' somebody on the grounds of one post, even IF it says 'Do this!'. There's a bit more to it than that.
 
Reading through this thread, and the first thought that popped into my head was:

"These mods seem to like to flex their muscles quite a bit."

When I first opened this thread to read the info, never did it cross my mind that he was trying to sell something. I think you are looking at things way to closely. I do not see an "Edited by" at the bottom of the first post, therefore I am lead to believe that there was never an advertisement link (could be wrong, but I doubt it).

Jericho - Will I have never had a conversation with you, debated with you, or anything of that nature.. the drift I get from your postings here is that you are trying to prove the OP's theory's wrong by hyping up your beliefs. You believe what you do for a reason, the OP believes what he/she does for a reason, and I believe what I do for a reason. That is absolutely no reason you need to make comments on how the OP's info is incorrect and then proceed to shove your belief's down my throat. This debate would have been much better if you weren't so hypocritical.

Both sides here have valid points. I'm not even going to begin to jump into this debate as you guys know a hell of a lot more about this topic than I do. However, there is one thing I do want to comment on that was posted by San.

What about somebody who works at night, or is in the habit of going to bed really late at night? What about somebody who didn't have the chance to eat during the day, should they rather starve themselves than getting something to eat?

This is a pretty poor argument. Eating after XX PM is a number that is out there for somebody who would work a job along the lines of 8-5.

I would like to see your argument against a statement like this:
Do not eat 3 hours before you go to bed.

Disclaimer: I'm playing devil's advocate with this last and do not care of the outcome on this argument/debate between you 3 or 4.
 
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Sorry if you get that impression. But you don't remove tons of spam from this board every day. Most of the stuff that is being put up is removed so quickly by one of the mods that the members never get to see it.

Maybe the post doesn't ring your alarm bells, but it certainly does ours, and all information put together gives us a pretty clear picture.

This 'debate' was not about anybody's beliefs. It was about the way the OP was 'shoving things down people's throats' as you called it. And pointing out if something is incorrect or debatable is the right and prerogative of every member of this forum.There is nothing hypocritical about it. The OP came on here and told people what to do. He didn't say that it was his opinion, he told people 'Do this!'. Sorry if this is a problem for you, but if somebody comes on here and thinks he/she can tell people what to do, then they should be correct, or be able to handle the fact that somebody is going to point out that they have it wrong.

The reason why Jericho pointed out that parts of the info put up in at the very least debatable is because he cares for the people on this forum, and doesn't want wrong information to be passed on to them.

As for the 'poor argument' - no, it isn't. You have actually proven my point. My point was that the OP was making generalised statements that aren't correct. Saying 'Try not to eat 3 hours/immediately before you go to bed' or something similar, I don't have a problem with, because it can be applied to individual cases.But for somebody who claims to be an expert, he worded his 'fast weight loss tips' rather poorly.
 
Sorry you felt that way but I'd speak up like this mod or not so you can just forget about that end of it.

I'll also say that I've talked to GetFit and actually say he was doing great after his last few posts. He understands how he came across and it's all fine.

And far as the data, argue facts and studies with facts and studies. We both did that and it was fine.


But maybe your statement would have been better saying :

'Damn, Jericho has a big mouth'

That would have been better :)

When I first opened this thread to read the info, never did it cross my mind that he was trying to sell something. I think you are looking at things way to closely. I do not see an "Edited by" at the bottom of the first post, therefore I am lead to believe that there was never an advertisement link (could be wrong, but I doubt it).

As a mod, the whole thing sent up the red flag (which I discussed with him). Like San said, when you do this day in and day out, you start picking up patterns. You don't see 95% of the spam because of Korrie, San, and me and the other mods keeping it clean. I'm just a little more vocal about it :)

Cause yeah, I'm a hard headed man but I care about the people here.
 
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As a mod, the whole thing sent up the red flag (which I discussed with him). Like San said, when you do this day in and day out, you start picking up patterns. You don't see 95% of the spam because of Korrie, San, and me and the other mods keeping it clean. I'm just a little more vocal about it :)

I admin 1 fairly large forum, and am a mod on one huge forum, 2 semi-large forums, and a couple smaller forums. I know all about removing spam and catching it before it happens, trust me.

San - We agree I see. I'm done here :)
 
I don't know if the OP would have ended up spamming or not but the way the post was written it screamed spam to me. The first thing I did when I started to read it was to look for the spam and was very surprised not to see any direct spamming. I agree with the mods being cautious about this one as I would have been the same.
 
I think you have excersice once a day is good enough. But you have to excersice for 45 - 60 minutes for this exercise like running, walking, lifting ..
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