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I've been loosing weight over the last year and have managed to shed 66lbs, but now im focusing on getting rid of that last bit of stubborn fat and building up muscle.

now that i've lost the bulk of my weight, i believe nutrition is now more important than ever. im alright with the meal plans proposed by most people, however im just not sure about one thing: sweeteners.

1.) is it preferable to consume sweeteners instead of sugar (both white and brown)?

2.) or is it better to avoid sweet things altogether regardless of the sweetening substance?

3.) would the consumption of sweetners have a detrimental effect on my weight loss/muscle gain strategy?

4.) if any, what kind of effect would they have on my results?

thank you very much
 
I was listening to the radio the other day and there was a guy talking about artificial sweetners. What he said: Although artificial sweetners have 0 calories, they're sweet, so the body reacts the same way as if you were eating sugar-making insulin and storing fat. So even though you're taking in 0calories, you're storing fat. That's the gist of it anyway, I've since stopped using any sweetners and am surviving :) No idea if there's any truth to it, it's just one guy's opinion!

Matt
 
The post above is correct. The will act the same.
Even worse artifcial sweeteners will break down in your stomach to create a substance that has been linked to cancer and other bad body diesies. Many people think that they are being healthy artificial sweetners but they are in fact wrong. Avoid sugar all together from candy, soda's and ect.

I stoped eating sugar almost all together and now it doesnt taste good for me, but if you really want sugar get it from fresh fruit. Make sure you dont eat too much though! The sugar in juice is ok too, but make sure the juice you buy is 100% fruit juice.
 
Eek cancer :( I need to cut out alot of pepsi max. I am doing so and my diet has changed dramaticly so all good :) Im a type 1 diabetic but I dont use sweetners any more unless its in drinks such as diet drinks.
 
Try not to drink too many fruit juices either-even though they're "100%" they go through you faster and will cause a higher insulin spike then the actual fruit

Matt
 
May I ask what are the bad things about an insulin spike? Sorry, I should probably know this due to being a type 1 diabetic :( I do know insulin can make you put weight on which is why im cutting alot of the high carb foods out meaning my insulin dosages are alot lower now(I also cut junk food out and this has helped a load) :)
 
Hmm, if sweeteners create an insulin response then the advice shouldn’t be to avoid them completely but to be more careful about when you consume them. So for example, don’t consume with a fats heavy meal.

Sweeteners aren’t great to eat in general but they helped me come off regular soda well (a bit like nicotine replacement therapy) so I would still recommend them over added sugar or high fructose corn syrup
 
. What he said: Although artificial sweetners have 0 calories, they're sweet, so the body reacts the same way as if you were eating sugar-making insulin and storing fat.

This person is really over-simplifying why the body would store fat, when considering the various elements involved to produce it, and quite simply deducing fat storage to "one item" (such as an artificial sweetener) defies logic, when considering the other biological process involved, and the totality of one's diet.

Think.....this through for a moment, logically, just using basic fundamentals, and keeping the playing field equal.

This person's statement is false, and I do not have to use an artificial sweetener in this example:

This is like saying, if I have something sweet (like a jelly filled donuts) within my calorie deficit of 1700 (from 2400c Maintenance), I am going to store fat, and this is not true on "basic premises".

This hypothetical person could be consuming a mere 100 grams of carbohydrates within those 1700 calories (including 2 jelly filled donuts), while performing an exercise program.

Which is greater--in its most basic and fundamental sense: The 2 jelly filled donuts, or the sub-100 gram of carbohydrates within a 24 hour period?

I will answer it for you. The sub-100 gram carbohydrates when pairing it with an exercise program.

Which has "greater" "overall" impact on insulin on this dieter: The single bout refined sugar jelly-filled donuts, or the sub-100 carbohydrate intake?

I think we could agree that the refined white sugar jelly-filled donuts will raise blood glucose and produce a potential insulin response in the process of digestion, but the much greater impact (overall within the 24 hour period) is the sub-100 gram carbohydrate intake, as it pairs with activity, and training variables.

Now, on this rather "basic" premise we have: 1. A calorie deficit, 2. sub-100 gram carbohydrate consumption, 3. 2 jelly-filled donuts (as part of the 100 grams of carbohydrates, and calories counted). Is their a high probability this person (with rather HIGH body fat levels), will lose tissue?

Answer: yes, despite the incorrect choice of eating jelly-filled donuts, and despite the potential insulin response at the time.

Now, replace these Jelly-filled donuts with an artificial sweetener. First, we have theoretically no impact on calories. Which we can agree is a good thing for one dieting to lose tissue.

How something "tastes" is irrelevant to how the body handles it "biologically".

These are two separate things. And, this persons comment: "they're sweet, so the body reacts the same way as if you were eating sugar-making insulin and storing fat" defies logic and simple common sense.

Next comes whether artificial sweeteners raise blood glucose and thus solicit an Insulin response, which "overall" should be a concern with the dieter wanting to lose fat tissue (for various reasons I will not get into).

It is generally accepted, that with most persons, Splenda does not raise blood glucose levels and thereby an associated Insulin response. I can post some studies where it doesn't and some that show it does. The quality of both are rather low, but one thing we can not deny, is that many diabetics (whether hypo or hyper) are allowed to consume Splenda, without any adverse affects to their condition. My Mother-in-Law is a diabetic, and consumes Splenda. She tests her blood sugar levels every day, and she is fine with its consumption.

Insulin, like the mighty carbohydrate, get pummeled mercilessly, but are so important to our lives and fitness goals, and to prove this, would go beyond the topic of this thread.

They can be seriously misunderstood. This is sad actually, because Insulin (a hormone) and the beat-up carbohydrate, can play some very important and "critical positions" within muscle development, fat loss, and overall health.

Additionally, I have consumed Splenda, and still do. I have lost 40 pounds, and have reduced body fat to single digits, while consuming it within my diet. Obviously, when concerning my personal goals, it had no negative effect on me.

It didn't make my pants bust in gaining fat, so there goes this persons belief that artificial sweeteners cause fat storage, LOL. Simply deducing it to this simple form, isn't logical.

One "cannot always" believe what you hear on the radio. And, this logic by this person is basically and fundamentally flawed.




Best regards,

Chillen
 
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One "cannot always" believe what you hear on the radio.

Especially when it's an advertisment. I've heard some really crazy things from advertistments on tv, radio, and those ads so cleverly disguised as articles is muscle building magazines.

What Chillen says makes perfect sense. If artificial sweeteners caused an insulin spike, diabetics wouldn't be able to consume it.
 
Thanks for clearing that up then! I'll still stay away from it though..

It wasn't an advertisment btw, but I guess it doesn't matter. :)

Matt
 
How something "tastes" is irrelevant to how the body handles it "biologically".

These are two separate things. And, this persons comment: "they're sweet, so the body reacts the same way as if you were eating sugar-making insulin and storing fat" defies logic and simple common sense.

Next comes whether artificial sweeteners raise blood glucose and thus solicit an Insulin response, which "overall" should be a concern with the dieter wanting to lose fat tissue (for various reasons I will not get into).

It is generally accepted, that with most persons, Splenda does not raise blood glucose levels and thereby an associated Insulin response. I can post some studies where it doesn't and some that show it does. The quality of both are rather low, but one thing we can not deny, is that many diabetics (whether hypo or hyper) are allowed to consume Splenda, without any adverse affects to their condition. My Mother-in-Law is a diabetic, and consumes Splenda. She tests her blood sugar levels every day, and she is fine with its consumption.

Insulin, like the mighty carbohydrate, get pummeled mercilessly, but are so important to our lives and fitness goals, and to prove this, would go beyond the topic of this thread.

They can be seriously misunderstood. This is sad actually, because Insulin (a hormone) and the beat-up carbohydrate, can play some very important and "critical positions" within muscle development, fat loss, and overall health.

Additionally, I have consumed Splenda, and still do. I have lost 40 pounds, and have reduced body fat to single digits, while consuming it within my diet. Obviously, when concerning my personal goals, it had no negative effect on me.

It didn't make my pants bust in gaining fat, so there goes this persons belief that artificial sweeteners cause fat storage, LOL. Simply deducing it to this simple form, isn't logical.

One "cannot always" believe what you hear on the radio. And, this logic by this person is basically and fundamentally flawed.

Excellent post.

The "taste" response of our taste buds has nothing to do with insulin response.

What makes artificial sweeteners 0-calorie is the simple fact that their chemical compounds are not metabolized by our bodies therefore have "zero" caloric effect. Here is a neat article about various artificial sweeteners:

I have started using Stevia which is a zero calorie sweetener that is derived from an herb.
 
So about two months ago I cut a lot of sugar out of my diet in order to get rid of the stomach bloat and for my ab muscles to show. I will not give up my two cups of coffee in the morning. I used just plain sugar before but now switched to sweet and low (one pack per cup) and fat free Hazelnut creamer. That's really the only sugar I eat in a day (besides fruit and a little bit of honey in my oatmeal)

So is everyone saying to go back to SUGAR? What else do you suggest?
 
So about two months ago I cut a lot of sugar out of my diet in order to get rid of the stomach bloat
and for my ab muscles to show.

What types of foods are causing your stomach to bloat?

When you say you were cutting sugar out of your diet, what are we speaking about? Just cutting out sugar, isn't (when considering it just by itself) going to cause your abs to show, it goes beyond this.

I will not give up my two cups of coffee in the morning. I used just plain sugar before but now switched to sweet and low (one pack per cup) and fat free Hazelnut creamer.

You do not have to give up your coffee.

And, the choice of sweetener is a personal preference among what I term a "Bad Choice Set". One ways the pros and cons, and makes a personal decision between the debatable health "claims" and how it fits within one's personal goal.

Personally, I have studied some of the various sweeteners, and have come to personal terms with Splenda, and it hasn't hurt my fitness goals at all. However, this wasn't the only ingredient in the decision. In terms of fat loss (again referring to me), I want "control" as much as feasibly possible, on my blood glucose/insulin response, and throwing in refined white sugar in various types foods and coffee (and I drink a lot of coffee), are elements of blood glucose/insulin response variables, I can personally do without. Eliminating it allows me to focus on other areas of my diet--to put this simply.

However, this is not saying, that having refined white sugar in your coffee (and not a diabetic), is bad for fat loss. If I said this was true, I would not be accurate. Some can have a greater degree of liberty than others.

One can in fact consume sugar (in moderation) and lose fat tissue, when one considers the total circumference of ones diet within a 24 hour period, and the person's particulars. However, this can be a separate issue as compared to some views on whether refined white sugar is healthy to consume.

Because the contents that cause fat loss and eating/being healthy "can be" two separate things.

Best regards,

Chillen
 
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What types of foods are causing your stomach to bloat?

When you say you were cutting sugar out of your diet, what are we speaking about? Just cutting out sugar, isn't (when considering it just by itself) going to cause your abs to show, it goes beyond this.



You do not have to give up your coffee.

And, the choice of sweetener is a personal preference among what I term a "Bad Choice Set". One ways the pros and cons, and makes a personal decision between the debatable health "claims" and how it fits within one's personal goal.

Personally, I have studied some of the various sweeteners, and have come to personal terms with Splenda, and it hasn't hurt my fitness goals at all. However, this wasn't the only ingredient in the decision. In terms of fat loss (again referring to me), I want "control" as much as feasibly possible, on my blood glucose/insulin response, and throwing in refined white sugar in various types foods and coffee (and I drink a lot of coffee), are elements of blood glucose/insulin response variables, I can personally do without. Eliminating it allows me to focus on other areas of my diet--to put this simply.

However, this is not saying, that having refined white sugar in your coffee (and not a diabetic), is bad for fat loss. If I said this was true, I would not be accurate. Some can have a greater degree of liberty than others.

One can in fact consume sugar (in moderation) and lose fat tissue, when one considers the total circumference of ones diet within a 24 hour period, and the person's particulars. However, this can be a separate issue as compared to some views on whether refined white sugar is healthy to consume.

Because the contents that cause fat loss and eating/being healthy "can be" two separate things.

Best regards,

Chillen

Sorry, I didn't clarify.. for example I replaced yogurt (14 grams of sugar) and Kashi cereal for breakfast with 3 egg whites, wheat bread and a banana. I stopped snacking on candy or any types of cookies. I've just been eating cleaner while cutting out a lot of un-needed sugar. I work out 5 days a week (cardio and weights). Once I cut back on the sugar... I've noticed that I'm more cut versus having a thin layer of fat on areas of my body. I can try splenda though that's not a problem.
 
Sweeteners like Aspartame and Acesulfame K are dangerous; Acesulfame K stimulates insulin secretion in a dose dependent fashion thereby possibly aggravating reactive hypoglycemia ("low blood sugar attacks"). On the basis of the , which sweetener is good for you?

Look at
 
Sweeteners like Aspartame and Acesulfame K are dangerous; Acesulfame K stimulates insulin secretion in a dose dependent fashion thereby possibly aggravating reactive hypoglycemia ("low blood sugar attacks"). On the basis of the , which sweetener is good for you?

Look at

Is sugar.......really.....the lone culprit in one getter fatter or fattening?

No, its not.

Are Artificial Sweeteners......really.....the lone culprit in one getter fatter or fattening?

No, its not.

I do not buy it.

Why?

Because it does not pass the "Basic and Raw" fat loss fundamentals test, and this isn't addressing personal particulars such as (over eating issues that can be psychologically and emotionally based, and so on and so forth, and some incorrect food choices based on certain health issues).

Sugar, by itself, is not what causes one to fatten'. Case: I need 3,000 calories (a normal healthy human being), I eat 1200 calories and cut my calories erroneously low (I just started my diet for fat loss), I am a big male (which makes calorie needs higher), with a lot of fat tissue to lose. Out of the 1200 calories, I weakened and ate 600 calories worth of candy bars high in sugar, sugar alcohol, or sweetener (I don't care), the remaining is what ever...., blah, blah.

Smart approach? :) ......uh..no, but I am making a point.

Gaining fat in this situation?

No.

There is a 1,800 calorie deficit present--despite the potential insulin production at some point in the diet because of what was eaten, fat loss occurs--when trend continues.

Deducing obesity to sugar or a sweetener isn't an accurate measurement of the problem. It is sort of like blaming McDonald's (within a free enterprise market), for the obesity problem in the US. Person's have a choice to shut the mouth and not go eat there--and this is assuming eating there "causes" one to be over weight (which it does not).

More often than not (leaving room for some exceptions for health issues), flat eating too much is the problem.

Best wishes,

Chillen
 
Is sugar.......really.....the lone culprit in one getter fatter or fattening?

No, its not.

Are Artificial Sweeteners......really.....the lone culprit in one getter fatter or fattening?

No, its not.

.......

More often than not (leaving room for some exceptions for health issues), flat eating too much is the problem.

Best wishes,

Chillen

Overall health is key because one cannot approach fitness only from an obesity/overeating perspective. Some have said they use Splenda but as I linked above some of the side effects of these sweeteners have been ignored altogether. Splenda (sucralose) caused shrunken thymus glands (up to 40% shrinkage) and enlarged liver and kidneys.

The calorie-reduction aspect is being considered but the hazardous side-effects are not.
 
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