This thread has not been used in a long time, but this issue has to be addressed concisely and accurately, as there is lack of info on the internet, and this thread contains a lot of wrong or misguided information, which is often contradictory, so here it is:
During the teenage years men experience rapid muscle gain despite excercising or not due to the increase in testosterone which peaks around 17-19 years old. Because the body is starting of of smaller size the sudden increase in androgens creates a strong anabolic effect/weak androgenic effect as the body prioritizes these hormones for growth. In many ways this can be likened to anabolism affected by adults taking anabolic steroids, or using special excercise techniques/diet/supplementation to influence natural test/and free test production.
During this teenage period the sharp peak in androgens also causes peaks in estrogen from the excess being converted via the aromatase enzyme. This is why many teenage boys will get swollen breast tissue which comes and goes, or may have angry spells juggled with sad withdrawn spells. A lot of teenagers go through this and what it means for their faces is a brief period of looking childlike/androgenous: baby face. The estrogen levels are usually not high enough to cause breast growth, but usually high enough to effect fat/skin/hair throughout the body.
In the case of teenagers having baby faces due to estrogen mixing with testosterone a few things appear obvious. The higher and lower areas of the lateral cheeks will hold more fat lips will appear fuller, and eyes will be more open, and eyebrows not as bushy. Skin may be paler, translucent, and smooth. Acne may be present or not. However despite facial fat and skin leaning towards a baby-like feminine look, the underlying bone of the face is still influenced primarily by the bone-densifying effects of testosterone. All talk in this thread of bone-plate closure does not apply here. The constant deposition of bone, when induced by anabolic hormones is an ongoing process which does not relate to bone plates in any way. These plates only govern height. This is the reason why agromegaly can occur in old age, and why women's jaws become huge when on steroids!
For a young man to view feminine skin and fat overlaying a masculine bone structure can be unsettling as the overall appearance of this looks a bit odd. MAKE SURE that when you look in the mirror that you are capable of analyzing what you can actually see! You would be surprised how many look in the mirror and think they know their face... BUT they don't!
For many men who think their jaws are too soft, and cheekbones too rounded and not chisseled, the desire is usually for the bone to grow, but trust me, unless your bones are underdeveloped, then it would look really bad if they did grow! Instead try to visualise the natural planes of the masculine face being governed by the soft tissue itself. Too much skin and fat density above and below the cheek bone and above and below the jaw softens the agnle and contour of these areas and rounds them off!
Weight loss is NOT the route, because whilst it will make these features stand out more, it will also thin the skin, hollow the eyes, and make you look wrecked and gaunt a bit like a drowned rat! The key here is too effect a change in the way your body distributes fat and builds skin.
A very masculine face appears attractive and in better proportion. These changes are effected by the androgenic and to some extent the anabolic effects of Testosterone. Therefore you have to make sure your free testosterone is high, and that your DHT is high, but your estrogen is very low. This balance is what characterizes an attractive masculine face.
The effect is that the facial fat thins at key points (cheekbones, chin and jaw angles, nose to cheek bridge, brow angles), but stays thicker in others (eye sockets, lips, planes of forehead, nose, upper eye area). These changes are then mixed with the other effects of ongoing high testosterone which is slow but steady build up in the density of bone which can be induced throughout life. this WILL densify the jaw and cheekbones. The epidermis layer of the skin also thickens which helps to detract from the gaunt look otherwise created by the thinning of the facial fat. Because the face becomes leaner in some places it effects the way we percieve the proportions of the facial features: the nose appears larger and more dominant, the eyes look larger and more piercing, and the eyebrows look bigger. Otherwise if the skin is feminized with underlying masculine bone structure the effect is much different: the eyes, brows and nose look smaller in comparison with the rest of the face, and the bone contours become hidden and rounded.
The aesthetics behind hormonal face changes are very subtle and require an artistic eye with high attention to detail. Once you can really see what you are looking at, you quickly realise that all your preconceptions, and those of most people ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!
Your best bet to achieve these changes is diet change and supplentation, and only if this does not work should aromatase inhibitors, estrogen blockers, and steroids be considered, and even then VERY CAREFULLY with plenty of research. The diet has to be high protein, low simple carb, and contain lots of magnesium and zinc, and lots of fish, preferably oily.
During the teenage years men experience rapid muscle gain despite excercising or not due to the increase in testosterone which peaks around 17-19 years old. Because the body is starting of of smaller size the sudden increase in androgens creates a strong anabolic effect/weak androgenic effect as the body prioritizes these hormones for growth. In many ways this can be likened to anabolism affected by adults taking anabolic steroids, or using special excercise techniques/diet/supplementation to influence natural test/and free test production.
During this teenage period the sharp peak in androgens also causes peaks in estrogen from the excess being converted via the aromatase enzyme. This is why many teenage boys will get swollen breast tissue which comes and goes, or may have angry spells juggled with sad withdrawn spells. A lot of teenagers go through this and what it means for their faces is a brief period of looking childlike/androgenous: baby face. The estrogen levels are usually not high enough to cause breast growth, but usually high enough to effect fat/skin/hair throughout the body.
In the case of teenagers having baby faces due to estrogen mixing with testosterone a few things appear obvious. The higher and lower areas of the lateral cheeks will hold more fat lips will appear fuller, and eyes will be more open, and eyebrows not as bushy. Skin may be paler, translucent, and smooth. Acne may be present or not. However despite facial fat and skin leaning towards a baby-like feminine look, the underlying bone of the face is still influenced primarily by the bone-densifying effects of testosterone. All talk in this thread of bone-plate closure does not apply here. The constant deposition of bone, when induced by anabolic hormones is an ongoing process which does not relate to bone plates in any way. These plates only govern height. This is the reason why agromegaly can occur in old age, and why women's jaws become huge when on steroids!
For a young man to view feminine skin and fat overlaying a masculine bone structure can be unsettling as the overall appearance of this looks a bit odd. MAKE SURE that when you look in the mirror that you are capable of analyzing what you can actually see! You would be surprised how many look in the mirror and think they know their face... BUT they don't!
For many men who think their jaws are too soft, and cheekbones too rounded and not chisseled, the desire is usually for the bone to grow, but trust me, unless your bones are underdeveloped, then it would look really bad if they did grow! Instead try to visualise the natural planes of the masculine face being governed by the soft tissue itself. Too much skin and fat density above and below the cheek bone and above and below the jaw softens the agnle and contour of these areas and rounds them off!
Weight loss is NOT the route, because whilst it will make these features stand out more, it will also thin the skin, hollow the eyes, and make you look wrecked and gaunt a bit like a drowned rat! The key here is too effect a change in the way your body distributes fat and builds skin.
A very masculine face appears attractive and in better proportion. These changes are effected by the androgenic and to some extent the anabolic effects of Testosterone. Therefore you have to make sure your free testosterone is high, and that your DHT is high, but your estrogen is very low. This balance is what characterizes an attractive masculine face.
The effect is that the facial fat thins at key points (cheekbones, chin and jaw angles, nose to cheek bridge, brow angles), but stays thicker in others (eye sockets, lips, planes of forehead, nose, upper eye area). These changes are then mixed with the other effects of ongoing high testosterone which is slow but steady build up in the density of bone which can be induced throughout life. this WILL densify the jaw and cheekbones. The epidermis layer of the skin also thickens which helps to detract from the gaunt look otherwise created by the thinning of the facial fat. Because the face becomes leaner in some places it effects the way we percieve the proportions of the facial features: the nose appears larger and more dominant, the eyes look larger and more piercing, and the eyebrows look bigger. Otherwise if the skin is feminized with underlying masculine bone structure the effect is much different: the eyes, brows and nose look smaller in comparison with the rest of the face, and the bone contours become hidden and rounded.
The aesthetics behind hormonal face changes are very subtle and require an artistic eye with high attention to detail. Once you can really see what you are looking at, you quickly realise that all your preconceptions, and those of most people ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!
Your best bet to achieve these changes is diet change and supplentation, and only if this does not work should aromatase inhibitors, estrogen blockers, and steroids be considered, and even then VERY CAREFULLY with plenty of research. The diet has to be high protein, low simple carb, and contain lots of magnesium and zinc, and lots of fish, preferably oily.