Sport Splenda / sucralose

Sport Fitness
A different viewpoint

And a sort of differing view on Splenda than the previous post I made:

Splenda is Safe Despite Hype, Expert Says
First there was saccharine, then aspartame.

Now, Splenda is the latest flashpoint in a fiercely contentious debate that has raged for decades over whether artificial sweeteners are safe.

In the view of many scientists, they are --- safe, that is. Among them is Dr. Jean Weese, an Alabama Cooperative Extension System food scientist and Auburn University professor of nutrition and food science, who, like so many foods safety experts, believes Splenda is but the latest red herring in a largely pointless debate over sweeteners.

She points to the ultimate exoneration of saccharine and aspartame as proof that Splenda, too, will ultimately pass muster. Indeed, as far as Weese is concerned, it already has.

The concept behind Splenda is not new, she says. In fact, scientists have been experimenting with it for more than 20 years.

One of the biggest sticking points among critics is how Splenda is made --- using three chlorine molecules to replace a group of molecules in sugar.

"Consumers, in essence, get the benefit of taste without the calories associated with sugar," explains Weese. A similar technique, she says, also has been used successfully in the production of olestra, a sucrose polyester made through a similar process.


It's the presence of these chlorine molecules in Splenda that worries some critics --- all the more worrisome considering that Splenda increasingly is being used with a lot more products than coffee and tea. Plans are under way to incorporate the Splenda in a variety of products, including diet soft drinks, baked goods and processed foods --- a trend that concerns some critics.

Weese says the concerns are misplaced.

"Splenda is designed so that the chlorine molecules remain tightly bound," she explains. "Along with the rest of the product, they pass through the body without being digested."

You're going to get more chlorine out of the tap water in coffee or iced tea than you are from the Splenda used to sweeten them," she says.

It's precisely the versatility afforded by these chlorine molecules that accounts for why the product is so successful, she says.

"We always been searching for an alternative Sweetener with all of the properties of sugar without the calories," Weese says. Splenda is that product."

"You can cook it and jump up and down on it and it still tastes sweet."

Other sweeteners, such as aspartame, lack this versatility. While aspartame may taste sweet, it's a protein, and can't be cooked like sugar --- or, for that matter, Splenda, a sugar-derived product, she says.

The recent controversy surrounding Splenda, she believes, reflects a pattern than is repeated virtually every time a new sweetening substitute is released --- one associated with saccharine and, more recently, with aspartame, until subsequent investigations confirmed the safety of both products.

In the 1970s, the Food and Drug Administration seriously considered banning saccharine after a Canadian study revealed that it caused bladder cancer in laboratory rats. Loud outcries from consumers prevented an outright ban of the product, though for a time, the FDA required a warning label that read, "Use of this product may be hazardous to your health. The product contains saccharin which has been determined to cause cancer in laboratory animals."

Subsequent research, however, revealed that male rats possess a particular pH factor that predisposes them to bladder cancer --- one lacking in humans.

Moreover, despite repeated assertions by critics that aspartame contributes to a higher risk of developing brain cancer and chronic fatigue syndrome, the FDA concluded long ago that aspartame is safe for the general population.

[Source: Dr. Jean Weese, Alabama Cooperative Extension System Food Scientist and Auburn University Professor of Nutrition and Food Science, (334) 844-3269.]

When it comes to sweetening our foods, boy do we have problems. We have to make the best choice. Refined sugar is not one of them, Splenda is in the same category (but yet not actually tested foundationally to be UNSAFE) so we have to make the best choices out of a bad choice set.
 
Last edited:
I still maintain that anything as artificial as Splenda does nothing good for you.
May I ask why you think so? Many people have the belief that natural is "good" and artificial is "bad". However, this belief has no basis in reality. Smallpox, rattlesnake venom, the AIDS virus, and arsenic are all natural. On the other hand, many pharmaceuticals are artificial. Whether or not something is natural tells us absolutely nothing about whether it is harmful or not.

How is Splenda made??
--snip
The first step in manufacturing Splenda is the chlorination of sugar. This process chemically changes the structure of the sugar molecules by substituting three chlorine atoms for three hydroxyl groups. Following chlorination, a further chemical process is applied using phosgene, a poisonous gas described by the Centers for Disease Control as a major industrial chemical used to make plastics and pesticides. Notably, the Splenda label does not and cannot list sugar as an ingredient, as sugar is not recognizable in the final product.
---snip
May I ask why any of this is a problem? If I chlorinate sodium, a deadly poison, the result is table salt. Am I to fear sodium chloride because it is made of two deadly poisons? Maybe I should stay away from water, too, as it is made by combining two explosive gases. You think water is safe? Well, it's mostly hydrogen, so ask the riders of the Hindenburg about how safe hydrogen is!

Even Splenda admits the chlorine part, but refuses to comment on the second part, due to a "patented manufacturing process." Yup, just what I want in my coffee, a "Patented manufacturing process."
This is obviously something you copied and pasted from somewhere, and it shows a fundamental misunderstanding about how patents work. This passage implies that Splenda is hiding behind a process by keeping it hidden with a patent. However, a patent is the opposite of secret. In order to obtain a patent on the process, that process must be published to the world. You may find two of McNeil-PPC's patents for Splenda related processes here:

Method of improving sweetness delivery of ... - Google Patents
Method of improving sweetness delivery of ... - Google Patents

A spoonful of regular sugar has just 16 calories. A 160 pound man brusing his teeth for 2 minutes burns 8 calories. Brush your teeth twice and you've burnt off that sugar. Crossing and uncrossing your legs burns 3 claories, do it 5 times, there goes the sugar. I'm over-simplifying, but this kind of chemical additive has (even according to the FDA) unknown long term effects on the body. Perhaps it will have no effect, but I am not willing to put this junk into my body.

You have yet to show that it is "junk". The fact is that the long-term effects of many substances we all use is "unknown". So what? I am fairly confident that you don't wait a human lifespan to pass before using a piece of technology. If so, you are living on the cutting edge of 1930s technology. I wonder what sort of toothpaste you use.
 
In the 1970s, the Food and Drug Administration seriously considered banning saccharine after a Canadian study revealed that it caused bladder cancer in laboratory rats. Loud outcries from consumers prevented an outright ban of the product, though for a time, the FDA required a warning label that read, "Use of this product may be hazardous to your health. The product contains saccharin which has been determined to cause cancer in laboratory animals."

I would also point out that those studies were based on rats being given copious amounts of saccharin. The equivalent for an average-sized human would be to drink over 1,000 cans of diet soda. I use saccharin today without hesitation.

The article is correct that some people will always have a knee-jerk reaction to new sweeteners. I feel sorry for unscientific people.
 
Tanizaki,

I guess my point just boils down to a few ideas:

1. If I can't visualize where or how something is made, I am hesitant to eat it. I could grow and harvest and eat sugarcane in my backyard. I could not do that with Splenda or Aspartame or many other similar additives. (Of course, I can grow poisonous mushrooms in my backyard as well!)
2. I don't think we know enough about Splenda or any of the artifical sweeteners to make ME comfortable to use them. For fifty years we thought teflon was safe, now in a few years you won't be able to buy teflon here in the US due to safety concerns. Yet those heavy iron skillets grandma used are still safe (in fact, some doctor's say very healthy because some of the iron from the pan apparently makes its way to the food, and iron is an important and needed mineral).
3. The tradeoff is just not worth it for me. For some it is. And like Chillen has said, it's a choice to make. And each choice has pluses and minuses.
4. As far as safely adding molecules to other molecules to produce safe food, yes, this is all well known. Your examples of table salt and water are excellent, but they both occur naturally in nature. Someone does not need to be in a laboratory making them join up. Water is 2 oxygen and one hydrogen. Add another oxygen and you have hydrogen peroxide. Not very drinkable really. By adding a harmless oxygen molecule we have substantially altered water.
5. I have almost nothing against patents, but view software patents very poorly, but that's another tale.

Please, if you choose to consume artificial sweeteners, then go ahead and do so! I am not a big sugar eater (two spoons a day for my coffee is the only added sugar I use each day), so for me, the small calorie savings isn't that attractive to me. Again, everyone can do research and see how comfortable you are with the choices out there.
 
Tanizaki,

I guess my point just boils down to a few ideas:

1. If I can't visualize where or how something is made, I am hesitant to eat it. I could grow and harvest and eat sugarcane in my backyard. I could not do that with Splenda or Aspartame or many other similar additives. (Of course, I can grow poisonous mushrooms in my backyard as well!)
Forgive me, but this is a bit of self-indulgent silliness. Also, you aren't visualizing how something is made; you are visualizing how you think it is made. You simply imagine growing and eating sugar cane. However, I am confident that you don't imagine it filtering through charred animal bones (usually cow bones) to give it a lovely white color.

Of course, food isn't the only thing you ingest. You probably also take medicine. I find it hard to believe that you know how every drug you take is manufactured. When you have a headache, do you chew willow bark instead of take aspirin? I suspect not.

2. I don't think we know enough about Splenda or any of the artifical sweeteners to make ME comfortable to use them. For fifty years we thought teflon was safe, now in a few years you won't be able to buy teflon here in the US due to safety concerns. Yet those heavy iron skillets grandma used are still safe (in fact, some doctor's say very healthy because some of the iron from the pan apparently makes its way to the food, and iron is an important and needed mineral).
There is nothing wrong with Teflon. It is inert. Your statement is incorrect, and appears to be based on a misunderstanding of a lawsuit against DuPont based on its release of a chemical used in the manufacturing of Teflon into groundwater. However, the lawsuit was never about saying that cooking with Teflon is harmful in any way. Please be informed. The fumes of Grandma's cast iron pan are more toxic than those of a Teflon-coated pan. See FDA report at

"However, a 1959 study, conducted before FDA approved the material for use in food processing equipment, showed that the toxicity of fumes given off by
the coated pan on dry heating was less than that of fumes given off by
ordinary cooking oils."

3. The tradeoff is just not worth it for me. For some it is. And like Chillen has said, it's a choice to make. And each choice has pluses and minuses.
This is a truism that adds nothing to the discussion.

4. As far as safely adding molecules to other molecules to produce safe food, yes, this is all well known. Your examples of table salt and water are excellent, but they both occur naturally in nature. Someone does not need to be in a laboratory making them join up. Water is 2 oxygen and one hydrogen. Add another oxygen and you have hydrogen peroxide. Not very drinkable really. By adding a harmless oxygen molecule we have substantially altered water.
I don't see your point. What difference does it make if the hydrogen and water are joined in the atmosphere or in a lab? The resulting product is chemical identical in any case. To use a previous example, am I to believe that you chew willow bark instead of take aspirin because you want the analgesic molecule to be the naturally created one?

I don't see your point about hydrogen peroxide, either, and anyone who knows anything about chemistry would never call oxygen "harmless". You could not pay me enough money to stand in a room of pure oxygen.

My point is the article you copied and pasted made a big deal about Splenda because chlorine is used in its manufacture. My response is, so what? Many elements are poisonous, such as oxygen, sodium, potassium, chlorine, and so on. However, when they are chemically bonded to other elements to form compounds, these compounds can become very helpful and even vital to life.

5. I have almost nothing against patents, but view software patents very poorly, but that's another tale.
What is the point of this? All I was saying is that you did not understand patents. You thought that patents made information secret, but they do not. In fact, it published the information to the world, which is the opposite of secret. Maybe if you understood how patents work, you would not oppose software patents.

Please, if you choose to consume artificial sweeteners, then go ahead and do so! I am not a big sugar eater (two spoons a day for my coffee is the only added sugar I use each day), so for me, the small calorie savings isn't that attractive to me. Again, everyone can do research and see how comfortable you are with the choices out there.

I really don't care what you eat. All I suggest is that you follow your own advice to do research, as you are quite misinformed on a number of fundamental points.
 
Last edited:
Deliriously misinformed!! :)

Indeed. Let me know if you need some bone char to start processing your homegrown sugar.
 
Back
Top