Sport So what's so bad about bread/carbs?

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for the average person and depending on activity levels, carb consumption is usually 5 times body weight (kg) but can increase 10 plus for extremely active individuals and lower obviously for sedentary ppls.
 
I was reading an article the other day on "The truth about 'BAD' foods: avoiding pasta and potatoes? Don't..." The idea of a "nutritional blacklist" is amusing though.
 
If you don't like bread at the store, it's super easy to make at home. Just mix whole wheat flour, yeast, warm water, and olive oil. This will create the most basic bread that you can use for anything: sandwich, pizza dough, etc.

However, why is bread bad? It's not. People been eating it for thousands of years. Without it, some of you would not be here today because of times of famine and other things, bread was the most valuable thing and without it, it meant your life.

Also, white potato, brown rice, corn, and other things meant life or death in the past.

Why suddenly today, it's bad? Is it because it's simple carbs (white bread), or because it's been processed? I don't think so. Bread is bread, whether it's been processed or not. Eating it won't kill you or render you disabled. Each time you see bread, savior it. Many people don't even have the luxury to discuss what is their favorite bread.

I should also say one day at the super market years ago, a man was caught stealing a loaf of bread. I felt so bad, I asked if I could buy it for him. Of course, they said no since he tried to run out and they had to tackle him and he assaulted the store cleark on the way down to the ground. If I remembered right, it was white bread... it looked like french bread or something that costed around $1.85.
 
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Dallen said:
If you don't like bread at the store, it's super easy to make at home. Just mix whole wheat flour, yeast, warm water, and olive oil. This will create the most basic bread that you can use for anything: sandwich, pizza dough, etc.

However, why is bread bad? It's not. People been eating it for thousands of years. Without it, some of you would not be here today because of times of famine and other things, bread was the most valuable thing and without it, it meant your life.

Also, white potato, brown rice, corn, and other things meant life or death in the past.

Why suddenly today, it's bad? Is it because it's simple carbs (white bread), or because it's been processed? I don't think so. Bread is bread, whether it's been processed or not. Eating it won't kill you or render you disabled. Each time you see bread, savior it. Many people don't even have the luxury to discuss what is their favorite bread.

I should also say one day at the super market years ago, a man was caught stealing a loaf of bread. I felt so bad, I asked if I could buy it for him. Of course, they said no since he tried to run out and they had to tackle him and he assaulted the store cleark on the way down to the ground. If I remembered right, it was white bread... it looked like french bread or something that costed around $1.85.
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Yes, but look at the bread that people ate when we truely depended on bread. It was hand ground and made, rough, bread. With all the nutrients intact.

Carbs are not evil, the incredible refining of them is what the problem is.

In the early 1800s, high speed grain mills were invented and millers learned to remove the fibrous bran and nutritious germ from grains and to make finely ground flour from just the starchy endosperm portion of the grain. People eagerly adopted this new flour, which had very long storage life and made softer and lighter breads, cakes and pastries.

Unfortunately, this new white flour was virtually devoid of the vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals and fiber found in Whole Grains. Its superfine texture makes it quickly digested and absorbed in the body, causing a rapid release of glucose and insulin into the blood.

This deluge of quickly digested nutrient poor carbohydrates represents much of what is wrong with today’s diets. Currently, about 85 percent of all grain products eaten by Americans are refined.

You will also notice, with the invention of quick refining - thus making the new high GI, quickly digested flour - comes the modern age of diabetes. It is not a coincidence.
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And about the guy stealing bread, that is sad. When ever i hear or see the kids in Africa scavenging for food, on the verge of death it makes me angry and sad seeing our nation, where food is plenty waste it so much.
 
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the whole history argument doesn't hold up. Back in the day people had to eat whatever they could get their hands on. You can't say "well, this food is what x people survived on for 1000 years, so it must be healthy". 1st of all, it doesn't have to be healthy to be easily accessable and be able to keep a people from dying.
2nd, peoples needs for food "back in the day" was very different from now. Ever wondered why sugar tastes so good and is so bad for you? Well, it tastes good because "back in the day" we needed lots of it to be able to run like hell when a lion or something came at us. Now we sit at a computer all day long typing, we don't have the same needs, but evolution is slower than human advancement, give us a million years or so, maybe sugar won't taste so sweet ;)

I'm not anti carb or anything like that, I don't even know if anyone put up the "back in the day x people survived on this food" but it's something I've been wanting to say for a long time.

Wanna hear something else that's funny? When the plague killed about half of Norways population back in the 1300s, guess who had the highest "surviving rate"? The tough guys up north who ate meat instead of a grain based diet. The grain that had been keeping Norway alive for a long time probably wasn't the best thing to eat, but if it wasn't for the grain, Norway's population would maybe have had been half what it was back then :p
 
Karky said:
the whole history argument doesn't hold up. Back in the day people had to eat whatever they could get their hands on. You can't say "well, this food is what x people survived on for 1000 years, so it must be healthy". 1st of all, it doesn't have to be healthy to be easily accessable and be able to keep a people from dying.
2nd, peoples needs for food "back in the day" was very different from now. Ever wondered why sugar tastes so good and is so bad for you? Well, it tastes good because "back in the day" we needed lots of it to be able to run like hell when a lion or something came at us. Now we sit at a computer all day long typing, we don't have the same needs, but evolution is slower than human advancement, give us a million years or so, maybe sugar won't taste so sweet ;)

I'm not anti carb or anything like that, I don't even know if anyone put up the "back in the day x people survived on this food" but it's something I've been wanting to say for a long time.

Wanna hear something else that's funny? When the plague killed about half of Norways population back in the 1300s, guess who had the highest "surviving rate"? The tough guys up north who ate meat instead of a grain based diet. The grain that had been keeping Norway alive for a long time probably wasn't the best thing to eat, but if it wasn't for the grain, Norway's population would maybe have had been half what it was back then :p
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Yeah, good point.
 
The "back in the day" argument cannot be used today because today's foods are highly processed/refined and contain high levels of sugar or trans fats. Back in the day they ate fresh food and fruits.

A meal at a junk food place with dessert and cola will exceed the RDA caloric requirement in just one meal - don't forget that the guy will then eat snacks before tucking into his main meal at the end of the day. Most of such a person's intake is carbs hence the move to restricting carbs in one's diet.

It should be remembered that the problem with carbs is that they are easily overeaten and are readily available in developing countries. Who has not seen on t.v. when Red Cross visit some areas and all they have to eat is (polished) white rice and suffer from protein deficiency disorders such as kwashiorkor?
 
Karky said:
the whole history argument doesn't hold up. Back in the day people had to eat whatever they could get their hands on. You can't say "well, this food is what x people survived on for 1000 years, so it must be healthy". 1st of all, it doesn't have to be healthy to be easily accessable and be able to keep a people from dying.
2nd, peoples needs for food "back in the day" was very different from now. Ever wondered why sugar tastes so good and is so bad for you? Well, it tastes good because "back in the day" we needed lots of it to be able to run like hell when a lion or something came at us. Now we sit at a computer all day long typing, we don't have the same needs, but evolution is slower than human advancement, give us a million years or so, maybe sugar won't taste so sweet ;)

I'm not anti carb or anything like that, I don't even know if anyone put up the "back in the day x people survived on this food" but it's something I've been wanting to say for a long time.

Wanna hear something else that's funny? When the plague killed about half of Norways population back in the 1300s, guess who had the highest "surviving rate"? The tough guys up north who ate meat instead of a grain based diet. The grain that had been keeping Norway alive for a long time probably wasn't the best thing to eat, but if it wasn't for the grain, Norway's population would maybe have had been half what it was back then :p
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Do note that I never said it was healthy because people been eating it for thousands of years... I just made an non-judgmental point. People been drinking wine for thousands of years... that doesn't mean it's good... most know that. What I'm saying is that people been relying on bread for thousands of years... why suddenly now do we have to stop? Just because it's "bad?" That doesn't make any sense to me... and it's the base of my arguments. You do bring up good points though. I agree just because something been used for thousands of years doesn't mean it's good for you. Kind of like if you do 100 wrong, the 101 wrong doesn't make it a right.
 
tribal said:
The "back in the day" argument cannot be used today because today's foods are highly processed/refined and contain high levels of sugar or trans fats. Back in the day they ate fresh food and fruits.
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Here's an interesting point: back in the 1950s butter/lard were used heavily in food making. Also, food:such as french fries, burgers, malt, etc were used heavily in young American diet. Trans fat content was high...

Can you provide a valid argument as to why suddenly the obesity rate struck sky high between 1980 to now? America - and some European countries - are some of the most nutritionally concerned countries in the world. How come only in those countries the obesity rate is sky high?
 
Dallen said:
Here's an interesting point: back in the 1950s butter/lard were used heavily in food making. Also, food:such as french fries, burgers, malt, etc were used heavily in young American diet. Trans fat content was high...

Can you provide a valid argument as to why suddenly the obesity rate struck sky high between 1980 to now? America - and some European countries - are some of the most nutritionally concerned countries in the world. How come only in those countries the obesity rate is sky high?
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Portion sizes, people eating out more, less active lives....What point are you trying to make?
 
Yes, and honestly, almost everything I eat is plain jane. What is that nutrition rule about making sure your food wasn't processed more than once? I abide by that. All I really eat is whey, raw oats, milk (OK maybe some HFCS in there?), brown rice, corn, chicken, cheese, carrots, olive oil, lettuce, eggs, and peanut butter.
 
MarkMyWords said:
milk (OK maybe some HFCS in there?), .
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Unless you buy the crappiest milk in the entire world, it probably doesnt have hfcs in there.
 
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