Small But Mad Strong...is that even possible?

R

rmifaabsbb

0
Hey all, so basically i'm a skinny guy and i can't say i hate it too much, i don't really gain weight at all, i spent practically whole year at uni going to mcdonalds(i know it's horrible, but what i cook is probably dangerous for health so) i eat like a big tasty menu, a big mac and a mcflurry at the top and i just don't gain weight(dream for girls)(yes i got checked up, my body is just good at handling food). but now i decided to make healthy food and gym a habit...actually to tell the truth dad asked me a favor and i'm just gonna do it for him, i don't really care. So I don't want to be the huge guy, i'm happy with how i look, the only reason i agreed with dad is because 1) i respect him too much to refuse and 2) i would like to be physically stronger. As a kid i did my country's national martial arts, which was created on the battlefield, so it's pretty much advanced street-fighting but you can use a sword too, so when it comes to technique, no problem, any guy my size or a little bigger i can handle, even if he wins, his body will hurt all over the next day anyway. What bugged me was that, a month ago my friend got in a fight with 3 huge guys, i obviously helped or rather tried to help, because all i managed was get one guy on the ground with a throw and then i punched him and he didn't feel it, then we both got beat up and the only one who managed to hurt them was my friend who may be unskilled but he is huge too. that right there bugged me. So what i wonder if there is a training regime where I don't bulk up and become huge but i still have the strength, so basically i want to be the wimpy looking guy in the coat who punches you and you forget how your mother looked :D . It sounds a little impossible, but i don't need to drop guys with one hit, i want to be strong enough to make a guy of any size feel it.
 
Physics 101, Newtons 3rd law, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
If I put the the strength of Big Z, current worlds strongest man, into you it wouldn't make you hit as hard as he can.
You can send the pwer through and have your weight and momentum behind it. If you send through 1,000 pounds of force, but your weight even with momentum comes to 200, the other 800 is coming straight back through you. This is an inescapable fact of the physical world, and why there are weight classes in boxing.
When I boxed there were a couple of heavy weights with strength close to mine or below, they hit harder because they had more weight behind them.

I can hit, and or hurt people very badly if I really have to. However the classes I learned these skills in also made sure I realised how many others are better than me, even if they don't look it. As such my first line of self defence is talk them down, second is walk away, third is run like hell. This has served me well and I would always advise it to others.

Powerlifting trianing will build more strength per pound than most other forms but won't make you a more effective fighting force.

Personal advice. Take a bit of time to really think about why you want to be able to hurt another person, it isn't big or clever. My worst memory from a fight was palming a guy under the chin as I got up, he fell on a table and unlike the movies balsa wood variety this one didn't crumble it tipped and he landed on the back of his head, there was a crack and he stopped moving. Trust me when I tell you that thinking you have just killed someone by accident is a lesson best learned second hand. I checked he was breathing and ran like hell. I am not a religious man but I thanked anything out there that he was still alive that day. I was brought up to be a thug, and have become a pacifist, moments like this made me realise this was a good choice.
One of my proudest boasts is that I have run away from far more fights than I have been in.
 
Last edited:
With strength comes muscle. With muscle comes size. You can't be a skinny strong dude. You will hit a ceiling eventually because not eating enough to get big will also hinder your lifts. You can move decent weight without being "big", but don't expect to get "big" unless you eat big and go big.

Having said that, if you're planning on working out just to fight guys, then please do us a favor and don't ever step foot in a gym. Not trying to sound like a d*ck, but it's truth. There's a difference between wanting to defend yourself if need be and wanting to start a fight. I could do some serious damage in a fight if I wanted to, but I don't put myself in that situation anyway. I workout for myself and my health. You should do the same, because one day that metabolism that's keeping you skinny, regardless of how many big macs you woof down, is going to slow down and you're going to wonder how you got so fat so fast.
 
great advice.
besides mixin it up with big boys, i like the idea of high-strength with minimal size. train for strength without extra calories & you can be stronger.
olympic training is my favorite when my body is healthy
 
JustinRVA said:
With strength comes muscle. With muscle comes size. You can't be a skinny strong dude. You will hit a ceiling eventually because not eating enough to get big will also hinder your lifts. You can move decent weight without being "big", but don't expect to get "big" unless you eat big and go big.

Having said that, if you're planning on working out just to fight guys, then please do us a favor and don't ever step foot in a gym. Not trying to sound like a d*ck, but it's truth. There's a difference between wanting to defend yourself if need be and wanting to start a fight. I could do some serious damage in a fight if I wanted to, but I don't put myself in that situation anyway. I workout for myself and my health. You should do the same, because one day that metabolism that's keeping you skinny, regardless of how many big macs you woof down, is going to slow down and you're going to wonder how you got so fat so fast.
Click to expand...

Well, you can strong without a lot of size, to an extent. There's definitely a limit, though. Muscular strength and power can develop independently of muscle mass. (Moreso the power. I'm sure you've seen some relatively small Olympic lifters, albeit they probably aren't the top of their class.) There are definitely slimmer martial artists who can deliver high impact blows, and I remember watching a fairly average-sized high school student break my city's high school discuss record by 20 meters a couple years ago.

But, in agreement with what others have said, if you're working out with the sole purpose of getting into scraps, I think you need to either find some other motivation or a different hobby.
 
i am an emotional guy with quite an ego, want it or not, i'll get into fights, i can't help it, once i snap, i don't stop. i don't want to hurt anyone, i don't mind getting beaten up, in fact it's no big deal for me, i'm not afraid of pain. but when i can't even help my friend, it gets on my nerve, i don't just let go of insults either, i was taught to defend my pride and i don't need to change that really, but thanks for the effort, i am quite aware of the dangers of fighting
 
Best way of dealing with insults, agree and expand on them.
I used to do ballet so was often accused of being gay by those less at home with their sexuality. Simple response to 'Are you gay?' from a bloke, 'Give us a kiss and I'll tell you.' Not denying it but making them aware they haven't affected you.
People insult you and you rise to it, they have won, every time. Smile, or laugh with them and they'll hate it, they you win. The second you throw a punch someone else wanted they have controlled you.
I have the ego, it helps me be able to laugh at the insults or even say them myself. Trust me it's better defence than anything you can train your body for.

Take care.
 
no matter how i look at it, he is looking down on you and i was not raised to be looked down upon. we could argue all we want about this but it really comes down to personality. the way i look at it, life is hard and you have to be the predator in everything, fights or job or love life, if you are not, life will just bend you to it's own will and you will never know, will it give you success or failure. I chose to control it, rather then smile and ignore all the irrelevant problems, yeah at the end of the day nobody cares who called you what, but i have to stay true to my way of life or i'll just lose my way, so i don't mind fighting, i don't mind doing more than i was asked for at the job or ignoring the obstacles if i like a person. i believe that if even once i back down, i will keep backing down and that is what i'm afraid the most of, becoming weak in my mind....that's what my father taught me, the first day of school he told me: no matter how strong, how many or how scary, just don't back down, because if you will, you will become a little weaker and it will build up, until you are old and full of regrets, that you were just another weakling who didn't try hard enough to make his life worthwhile........and for god's sake i don't want life advice, i just wanted to know a training method :D don't think i don't get your way of thinking though, i just like mine more
 
I was brought up to think as you do. Over half the people who didn't learn to think outside it have now spent time or are still in prison, many after military service. Make your choices but think about the repercussions very seriously first. Also remember if it goes wrong, as many things I have chosen have, it's your fault no-one elses.
I am glad not everyone thinks like me, would be bored ot death if they did.
Training wise, you want power work combined with speed and co-ordination. Alternatively try aikedo, that is a great way of making the strongest look like idiots by using their force to floor them. There is something deeply disconcerting too about flying through the air by the redirection of your own force by someone half your size, great but disconcerting.
 
CrazyOldMan said:
Best way of dealing with insults, agree and expand on them.
I used to do ballet so was often accused of being gay by those less at home with their sexuality. Simple response to 'Are you gay?' from a bloke, 'Give us a kiss and I'll tell you.' Not denying it but making them aware they haven't affected you.
People insult you and you rise to it, they have won, every time. Smile, or laugh with them and they'll hate it, they you win. The second you throw a punch someone else wanted they have controlled you.
I have the ego, it helps me be able to laugh at the insults or even say them myself. Trust me it's better defence than anything you can train your body for.

Take care.
Click to expand...

I know a man who teaches his kids something I wish someone had taught me as a child: that bullying is a game. It's a bad game, so you should never start it, but if someone starts playing the bullying game with you, they win every time you get offended.
 
555s for power. Use deadlifts, bench press and squats as your mainstay with 4 additional exercises in each to back them up. 5 exercises 5 sets 5 reps working to max each set. Each session will take upward of 2.5 hours.
This is not for begginners if you aren't very competent at the movements you will injure yourself, guaranteed.

Example based on 7 day week

Day 1
Deadlift
High pulls
Bent over row
Lat pull down
Upright Row

Day 3
Bench press
Standing shoulder press
Incline Bench press
Dumbbell side raises
Dips with weight

Day 5
Squats
Front squats
Hack squats
Lunges
Jump squats

This will get you power. You will gain some mass, if you eat well to go with it, but more power per pound than in higher rep ranges.

Add aikedo to gain you poise, precision and show you how little that power means if you encounter someone really dangerous.

Enjoy.
 
rmifaabsbb said:
Please stop with the life debate, :D maybe somebody knows something about training
Click to expand...

Not to sound like a jerk, but if you didn't want life advice, you shouldn't have come in here talking about fighting and wanting to be "the wimpy looking guy in the coat who punches you and you forget how your mother looked".

You could have simply said "Hey guys, how can I get some strength and power without getting huge? Thanks!" and you would not have gotten life advice. You were asking for that, bud.


CrazyOldMan said:
Each session will take upward of 2.5 hours..
Click to expand...

2.5 hours for that routine is a bit long, no? The Day 1 Back is pretty much my routine now, only I'm doing drop sets and hitting biceps as well and I'm knocking that out in about an hour, maybe an hour and 15 minutes.
 
I tried doing 555s with shorter rests and nearly wiped myself out. It is without question the most intense workout I have ever done when done well. Consider that I am comparing that to drop sets, super sets pyramids the lot.
Many miss out the key factor in 555s. You must approach every set refreshed and ready to go, and the 5th should be your absolute limit, if you could do 6 the weight was too light.
I have done 555s wrong a few times but the first time I did it buddied up the guy I was with guaged what weight I should be doing on each movement and I needed massive rests to be ready for each set.
There is also the fact you have to be fully warmed through to make this safe adding to the time.
I want to do 555s again but I will likely need to be retired first. Not a routine for a man with family and job.

Timing was roughly
10 mins warm up using cardio gear and some warm up sets
15 minutes spent on set up throughout, that's only 3 minutes and exercise
25-30 minutes actual movement, that's only around 1 minute a set
The rest was resting in between, which took 3 to 5 minutes to be ready for the next blast. Working form average 4 minutes that is around 100 minutes, and crazy as it seems you need it.
10-15 minutes cool down and stretch, which was essential to avoid injuries at this constant intensity.

Quick math, using high on movement low on cool down.
10 + 15 + 30 + 100 + 10 = 165 so 2 hours 45 a session. Trust me they are that serious, and insanely effective.
 
CrazyOldMan said:
I tried doing 555s with shorter rests and nearly wiped myself out. It is without question the most intense workout I have ever done when done well. Consider that I am comparing that to drop sets, super sets pyramids the lot.
Many miss out the key factor in 555s. You must approach every set refreshed and ready to go, and the 5th should be your absolute limit, if you could do 6 the weight was too light.
I have done 555s wrong a few times but the first time I did it buddied up the guy I was with guaged what weight I should be doing on each movement and I needed massive rests to be ready for each set.
There is also the fact you have to be fully warmed through to make this safe adding to the time.
I want to do 555s again but I will likely need to be retired first. Not a routine for a man with family and job.

Timing was roughly
10 mins warm up using cardio gear and some warm up sets
15 minutes spent on set up throughout, that's only 3 minutes and exercise
25-30 minutes actual movement, that's only around 1 minute a set
The rest was resting in between, which took 3 to 5 minutes to be ready for the next blast. Working form average 4 minutes that is around 100 minutes, and crazy as it seems you need it.
10-15 minutes cool down and stretch, which was essential to avoid injuries at this constant intensity.

Quick math, using high on movement low on cool down.
10 + 15 + 30 + 100 + 10 = 165 so 2 hours 45 a session. Trust me they are that serious, and insanely effective.
Click to expand...


How we differ is the rest. I actually lift better when I take shorter rests between reps when my heart rate is still up. If I do a set of 5, my break is only about 30-40 seconds until I need to get back into the next set of reps. If my heart rate slows down, the next set is harder, for me. I used to workout with a guy who took breaks so long between sets of reps, I had two sets of reps done during one of his breaks between sets, and we were working with the same weight. No two bodies are the same, I guess.
 
My wife is genetically gifted to power and recovers fast like that. me I am a stamina bod so can run indefinately, please ignore today's sorry attempt I will be posting in a bit, and recover on the move. But going flat out for 5 reps and leaving nothing in the tank, I am dead at the end and need to recover right down and re-psyche.
Ironically I take quite short rests at the moment and am doing OK, but even still they are at least a minute or so.
 
rmifaabsbb said:
i just tend to talk a lot, bad habit of mine
Click to expand...

Nothing wrong with that, dependant on content of course.
If you are talking about the meaning of life, the universe and everything, great. The storylines of soap operas and other modern myths maybe not so much.

Enjoy your training.
 
The Answer to the Great Question, of Life, the Universe and Everything...is .... Forty-two.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top