ok so i understand that when bulking one is supposed to eat the most amount of calories while still maintaining a healthy diet...but is it really that great for one to eat like 4 or 6 burgers of red meat a day?
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8 lbs!!??!! :0 .. holy cow.
evvery day you do this??..
sounds .. intersting...your poor bowels !
AS for the 4 - 6 burger patties, I guess that would depend on how thick and wide our burger patties would be..
meat takes three days at good normal health and diet to metabolise. Your bowels can stretch the area of a football field..that's a gooddammed lotta cloggage over time!!.. and if it's burger patties , you might ask if there was oil involved and what type and how much.
Cholestorl cholesterol cholesterol.
3 serves of red meat a week is tonnes.. and even then.. you maay want to consider some extra fruit..and juice..and water..
ick.
Btw.. do you know cholestrol is actually extra cellage ( veins and arteries by the kilmoeter ) your heart has to work to pump through... that's why big is not good. ..and that's prooobably why body builders are so unhealthy..that and steriods @). yaAy for vanity over health.
If you do this over say a few weeks..tell me when you start to feel seriously ill. I give you 4 days max. unless you microwave them fat free and take a fibre supplement and extra fruit and orange juice..then you get a week min.
bring On the fire we don't wanna get burnt by!
cheers and if you can possibley manage it, be sensible for chissakes.
Blooming Lotus
evvery day you do this??..
sounds .. intersting...your poor bowels !
AS for the 4 - 6 burger patties, I guess that would depend on how thick and wide our burger patties would be..
meat takes three days at good normal health and diet to metabolise. Your bowels can stretch the area of a football field..that's a gooddammed lotta cloggage over time!!.. and if it's burger patties , you might ask if there was oil involved and what type and how much.
Cholestorl cholesterol cholesterol.
3 serves of red meat a week is tonnes.. and even then.. you maay want to consider some extra fruit..and juice..and water..
ick.
Btw.. do you know cholestrol is actually extra cellage ( veins and arteries by the kilmoeter ) your heart has to work to pump through... that's why big is not good. ..and that's prooobably why body builders are so unhealthy..that and steriods @). yaAy for vanity over health.
If you do this over say a few weeks..tell me when you start to feel seriously ill. I give you 4 days max. unless you microwave them fat free and take a fibre supplement and extra fruit and orange juice..then you get a week min.
bring On the fire we don't wanna get burnt by!
cheers and if you can possibley manage it, be sensible for chissakes.
Blooming Lotus
Blooming lotus said:
No, I have that on hand, looking to do something interesting with it, but I do go through a couple pounds of beef a day. I make sure it's lean, loin meat or 90% or better lean ground.
I also eat pork and chicken breast meat when I can find it on sale.
Red meat is not as bad as they used to claim. Hell, they used to think a fat free diet was healthy. Now we know better.
Same for low carb.
I drink about 1/2-3/4 gallon of water a day. I eat about 12 srv of fruit and vegetables a day.
Juice is bad!!!
And you need to learn more about cholesterol. You're working on antiquated information.
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Hardly antiquated!..
the reason I say juice, and by that I mean orange, is because it helps the iron uptake from the red met and stops you be so constipated and improves circulation because of the extra oxygen supply aand the Orange juice as a potassium quantity so if you take on a cardio load, you might actually be able to breathe though it... and it protrects your spleen - your bodies poison filter .. and it helps your bowels. ..so you don't get bowel rot and die. ..let alone christ knows what else ppl that can't poop regularly and become over toxic suffer..
It's bad to hear you say that . ..I hope no-one actually dooooes ditch their juices and / or if you have legitimate reasons, I hope you take a minute to explain yourselves.
Blooming Lotus
the reason I say juice, and by that I mean orange, is because it helps the iron uptake from the red met and stops you be so constipated and improves circulation because of the extra oxygen supply aand the Orange juice as a potassium quantity so if you take on a cardio load, you might actually be able to breathe though it... and it protrects your spleen - your bodies poison filter .. and it helps your bowels. ..so you don't get bowel rot and die. ..let alone christ knows what else ppl that can't poop regularly and become over toxic suffer..
It's bad to hear you say that . ..I hope no-one actually dooooes ditch their juices and / or if you have legitimate reasons, I hope you take a minute to explain yourselves.
Blooming Lotus
I have to agree on the juice sucks. Unless you have just juiced your fruits and vegetables, the enzymes in them start to die and you're left with pretty worthless liquids. I pretty much use the hell out of my juicer if I'm not at work and can raid the vegetable and fruit bins all day long.
Also, the digestion of plant materials takes far longer to digest than meat due to the cellulose component. You'll typically see longer digestion tracts in plant eating animals.
I can tell you that I eat 2-3 pds of buffalo meat 4-6 times a week for the last 3 and a half years and have never felt ill.
But for bulking purposes there are other high calorie foods-nuts, seeds, certain fruits, milk, etc
Also, the digestion of plant materials takes far longer to digest than meat due to the cellulose component. You'll typically see longer digestion tracts in plant eating animals.
I can tell you that I eat 2-3 pds of buffalo meat 4-6 times a week for the last 3 and a half years and have never felt ill.
But for bulking purposes there are other high calorie foods-nuts, seeds, certain fruits, milk, etc
Why is iron bad for men? Is it because they don't lose it monthly like women do? I take vitamins with extra iron.
FitMama...I'd not only be concerned of the cholesterol issue with red meat as you say you eat lean meat. You need to be careful with too much red meat because it is associated with colon cancer. I'd try to mix up the protein to chicken, fish, eggs....
Actually, Kitty, I've heard that too much iron isn't good for either sex. Because it stores up and can turn your skin an orangey-rust color and is also bad for your organs. Dutch researchers found that too much iron can also be bad for your heart and can increase heart disease. Their study supported the idea that us women are more protected from heart disease because we lose iron once a month.kittyhartman26 said:
I found the link incase you want to read the article, pretty interesting.
hmm surprising...didnt know that...they actually make u take iron pills when ur preggo.
I was told to take iron because of blood loss during your period.
QT Kitten said:
The reason iron toxicity is relative your heart function is because it needs orange juice or vit C / acsorbic acid to metabolise and carry the oxygen through your body ..without which it's no good and causes constipation and heart strain and so on, and potassium and fibre to help it pass or eliminate from your body so again, you don't get constipated and end up with blockages of rotting flesh piling up in your body going rancid while it can't metabolise or get out and hence the mention of those things in your links. Iron is something everyone needs..male or female.. and LeiYunFat is right.. without Iron you are clinicaly likely to suffer depression and chronic fatigue syndrome and so forth.
i personally like juice because I can sip it for potassium aswell while I work out for the extra oxygen uptake and to support my heart and regulate hydration through a heavy workout, because I can take it in the morning with my multi-vit to metabolise the iron in that before i do a coffee where the tannin is going to stop the iron doing it's job, and because I can also mix it with sodawater to neutralise high protein toxicity or milk to aide bowel movement and promote clean insides again because of the gylcolic reaction it causes.
i also smoke , so I need twice and three the vit - c as non-smokers working out the same load just to get the same oxygen upload and negate those effects.
I personally neeeed the oxygen, but if you feel you can get by without iit or the bowel movements then good luck to you. Bananas are haardly ideal though except the potassium will support your heart somewhat better than nothing and it has Aaa measure of fibre..
okay,- but not ideal.
All negative effects of any sort of toxicity is being able to metaboise the substance, upload it on a need based dose and being able to get rid of the rest asap.
check out thiis link
Remember that for your iron to be any good it needs acsobic acid. to protect your colon from the constipation caused by unmetabolised iron, you need a heavy fibre. Without Iron, both men aand women can't get enough oxygen through their bodies and will suffer anemia. If you are an athlete or in any way health conscious, or just wouldn't mind living a little while, particularly with enough energy to function while moving, then this is not good.
Blooming Lotus.
kittyhartman26 said:
yes..but only if you can get enough acsorbic acid to be able to use that iron. reeeally reeally important for women..particular if they exercise or want babies.
check this out.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=womens+need+for+iron+++vit+c&btnG=Search&meta=
Blooming Lotus
BL, you may want to check out this site:
http://www.whfoods.com/
I have yet to see them advocate OJ.
In fact, I have not seen anyone who knows what they're talking about recommend OJ. There's foods that are exceptionally better for Vit-C (strawberries have 135% the Vit-C per unit volume) and the ascorbic acid can be taken in from whole oranges as opposed to OJ.
http://www.whfoods.com/
I have yet to see them advocate OJ.
In fact, I have not seen anyone who knows what they're talking about recommend OJ. There's foods that are exceptionally better for Vit-C (strawberries have 135% the Vit-C per unit volume) and the ascorbic acid can be taken in from whole oranges as opposed to OJ.
I hear ya, but HFCS is directly as a toxin or poison is related to and neccessary for the oxygen conversion process and also neccessary in the process of ridding your body of other acids and poisons via sodawater and other alkaline substances to make the conversion ridding your body of alll it's toxins.
It's start to get a liiittle tricky, because it'd be right about here that I'd want to start talking about smoking and nicotinic acid and having a newbornbaby-like system free from ever contacting or developing coping mechanisms for these things naturally in our bodies anyway, as opposed to having it all , like with a vaccination, but naturally induced, happen in our bodies giving us a more mature resiliant system able to cope with our current day enviroment. Firstly Cynic, they are alrEady ion our environment and so our systems should imo be better off lerarning to incorporate and deal with them able to function at peak, and there are just too many other good things we need that contain HFCS to exclude them all and be healthy. .. like ketchup and licopene..
and so forth.
I also think ideally, it needs to be in forms ( the system components) that average ppl can incorporate without fuss. We here are half anomalic in international society. Poor health and nutrition and illness, including waay OTT stats on obesity, are abundant.
Christ.. alot of ppl won't even eeat fruit.. and juice they might. ..aand Sauce ( for all the yucky sodium thaat contains) and so forth. Pll are NOt going to turn into supr health freaks overnight.. so a way they can have some of their cake and ours too for now in my opinion will dandy thank you. same principal RDI s were established and promoted on. Some is definately better than nothing.
check this link out ... scroll down and look for HFCS:-
For those that have no idea what I just said, translation would be, is that its toxic effect is related to PH levels but if you add sodawater and do an occassional vinegar and lemon juice or regularly add similar PHs to your diet, you wil have a more efficient and resilant system.
I've also been looking at the state of the soil for my PhD paper presentation in education curriculum and syllabus Im albeit running myself in the ground trying to paying for, to try to change the education system models around the world and draw awrenes to this aswell as several other things I think kids and future generations should likely be mindful of, and the same principal is going on with our soil...
it's acid like and arid and it's breeds infection ground and sets up viral recption and mutation paths and patterns, and it too has a direct hydrogen/carbon/fluorine / ph relationship. ..and if you inject an addition high ph like a hydrogen or something into the mix, like sheeps imbola ( a naturopathic formular thats been know to cure cancers and other illnesses ), you end up with a high ph on high ph chemical on chemical reaction and get a chemical peel effect.. which when you apply to human tissue.. leaves baby new healthful material... orr it burns itself off.. or failing thaat, if you hit the HFCS with a sodawater and bounce it off the nitrogen from say a high protein diet, then same deal occurs.. and your system is mature and adapted to our current environment. ...
and like the way the RDI system was established and promoted to the world on the pretext that it was a minimum health standard that the entire population could shoot toward, and juice is a simple good option for ppl who might otherwise neglect the relative health altogether concerning HFCS found in all sorts of stuff that most ppl ( accoroding to current stats on health and health disorders) consume anyway.
Its kind of heady stuff from here and I really don't want to discuss it in too much more depth atm.
Crux is, yes I will read your links in detail and reconsider your arguement. ..unless and until I agree, I will keep drinking my orange juice as a better choice.
.. maybe we can rehash it a little later when I have time to respond.
Thanks for bringing it up,
Blooming Lotus
It's start to get a liiittle tricky, because it'd be right about here that I'd want to start talking about smoking and nicotinic acid and having a newbornbaby-like system free from ever contacting or developing coping mechanisms for these things naturally in our bodies anyway, as opposed to having it all , like with a vaccination, but naturally induced, happen in our bodies giving us a more mature resiliant system able to cope with our current day enviroment. Firstly Cynic, they are alrEady ion our environment and so our systems should imo be better off lerarning to incorporate and deal with them able to function at peak, and there are just too many other good things we need that contain HFCS to exclude them all and be healthy. .. like ketchup and licopene..
and so forth.
I also think ideally, it needs to be in forms ( the system components) that average ppl can incorporate without fuss. We here are half anomalic in international society. Poor health and nutrition and illness, including waay OTT stats on obesity, are abundant.
Christ.. alot of ppl won't even eeat fruit.. and juice they might. ..aand Sauce ( for all the yucky sodium thaat contains) and so forth. Pll are NOt going to turn into supr health freaks overnight.. so a way they can have some of their cake and ours too for now in my opinion will dandy thank you. same principal RDI s were established and promoted on. Some is definately better than nothing.
check this link out ... scroll down and look for HFCS:-
For those that have no idea what I just said, translation would be, is that its toxic effect is related to PH levels but if you add sodawater and do an occassional vinegar and lemon juice or regularly add similar PHs to your diet, you wil have a more efficient and resilant system.
I've also been looking at the state of the soil for my PhD paper presentation in education curriculum and syllabus Im albeit running myself in the ground trying to paying for, to try to change the education system models around the world and draw awrenes to this aswell as several other things I think kids and future generations should likely be mindful of, and the same principal is going on with our soil...
it's acid like and arid and it's breeds infection ground and sets up viral recption and mutation paths and patterns, and it too has a direct hydrogen/carbon/fluorine / ph relationship. ..and if you inject an addition high ph like a hydrogen or something into the mix, like sheeps imbola ( a naturopathic formular thats been know to cure cancers and other illnesses ), you end up with a high ph on high ph chemical on chemical reaction and get a chemical peel effect.. which when you apply to human tissue.. leaves baby new healthful material... orr it burns itself off.. or failing thaat, if you hit the HFCS with a sodawater and bounce it off the nitrogen from say a high protein diet, then same deal occurs.. and your system is mature and adapted to our current environment. ...
and like the way the RDI system was established and promoted to the world on the pretext that it was a minimum health standard that the entire population could shoot toward, and juice is a simple good option for ppl who might otherwise neglect the relative health altogether concerning HFCS found in all sorts of stuff that most ppl ( accoroding to current stats on health and health disorders) consume anyway.
Its kind of heady stuff from here and I really don't want to discuss it in too much more depth atm.
Crux is, yes I will read your links in detail and reconsider your arguement. ..unless and until I agree, I will keep drinking my orange juice as a better choice.
.. maybe we can rehash it a little later when I have time to respond.
Thanks for bringing it up,
Blooming Lotus
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