You for it, against it, or dont have a ****in clue about it?
Obama Care
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i am not so sure being up to date in the recent news is such an honorable thing to be.
if I have to sit and watch T.V or sit and read a newspaper to be above an idiot, i guess i am an idiot
if the issue is socialized medicine- then I think it is a good idea, but will take time to mature, and healthcare quality will go down at first, but it will mature, at the expense of many people's health. Though I believe the absence of any health care is way worse than poor health care, and many peeps have none. SO- government healthcare has sadly become a necesary evil.
now- if obama care is not the healthcare thing then i look like a triple idiot!
lol
but I am comfortable with that
FF
if I have to sit and watch T.V or sit and read a newspaper to be above an idiot, i guess i am an idiot
if the issue is socialized medicine- then I think it is a good idea, but will take time to mature, and healthcare quality will go down at first, but it will mature, at the expense of many people's health. Though I believe the absence of any health care is way worse than poor health care, and many peeps have none. SO- government healthcare has sadly become a necesary evil.
now- if obama care is not the healthcare thing then i look like a triple idiot!
lol
but I am comfortable with that
FF
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Just to put it out there I voted for McCain.
And finally, I have no idea wtf is going on! lol. I really don't care one way or the other what happens. As long as I can keep my current medical at the same rate I'm paying now, I'm cool. When that stops, I'm gonna do a chuck norris at some rally.
And finally, I have no idea wtf is going on! lol. I really don't care one way or the other what happens. As long as I can keep my current medical at the same rate I'm paying now, I'm cool. When that stops, I'm gonna do a chuck norris at some rally.
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I'm an idiot, but fortunately I never have to worry about health insurance/coverage, the 'rents have got me covered for life. I had heart surgery when I was younger so if my coverage was to lapse, I'd have a hard time getting new coverage so they make sure it stays current. My deductible sucks though, it's high. So the vast majority of doctors' visits and such get paid for out of my pocket. But it's nice to know I'm covered if anything major happens. Not trying to go on about my health coverage here, just explaining why I don't really care about Bammer's health care plan 
I'm an idiot, but fortunately I never have to worry about health insurance/coverage, the 'rents have got me covered for life. I had heart surgery when I was younger so if my coverage was to lapse, I'd have a hard time getting new coverage so they make sure it stays current. My deductible sucks though, it's high. So the vast majority of doctors' visits and such get paid for out of my pocket. But it's nice to know I'm covered if anything major happens. Not trying to go on about my health coverage here, just explaining why I don't really care about Bammer's health care plan
Well both of you will fall under govt care just so you know.
Oh man this poll is hilarious. I guess most people on this forum are outside the US? Anyway I was watching the news and people are freaking pissed off! Why? No one knows. Everyone like, "I don't know! I don't know! But I'm pissed OFFFFFFFFF!"
They need to get that guy on Robocop who does that "I'd buy that for a dollar" and put him on some type of commercial and show Obama's health care, and at the end, he goes, "I'd buy that for a dollar." That'd be the seller right there.
They need to get that guy on Robocop who does that "I'd buy that for a dollar" and put him on some type of commercial and show Obama's health care, and at the end, he goes, "I'd buy that for a dollar." That'd be the seller right there.
Problem is I’m not buying anything. But I'm sure paying for it, mine and yours.
I'm all for social healthcare to some extent but I think there needs to be a better model than the one employed over here in the UK. After the birth of our last kid we've decided that we'll only have another if we can afford to pay for a private delivery.
My wife had a blood disorder caused by the pregnancy and had to be put on steroids to stop her from suddenly bleeding to death which isn't great news for a pregnant woman. Her specialist said that a midwife, doctor and hematologist had to be present at the birth and the baby would need to be checked immediately in case he had the same problem, we were also told that when we called the hospital it would all be made ready.
When she went into labour, we went to hospital only to be sent home, then when we called again about an hour later saying the contractions were getting a lot closer we kept getting told that the baby wasn't coming as the contractions were irregular and there wasn't a bed anyway.
My wife then almost gave birth on the toilet by mistake, when the ambulance arrived they were telling her to try and keep the baby in as it's head was starting to come out and she ended up giving birth with no pain relief in A&E.
She was sent up to a ward, no midwife, no Hematologist, no nurse. I had to go looking for someone but there was 1 midwife for 2 wards so was very hard to find. The baby was weighed and inspected over 2 hours after delivery and we had to wait over 12 hours after the baby was given the OK to leave as there was no doctor on the entire hospital wing that could sign my wife out.
I'd like to say this was rare for the NHS but unfortunately we were one of the lucky people who actually got somewhere to give birth other than a corridor.
Social healthcare is a great idea but you'll soon see how bad the system can be once your relatives start dying from poor treatment and infections picked up in dirty wards
(p.s. I won't vote though as it's a US issue and I don't know how good your current system is)
I just took a look at today's news and what a suprise, another NHS horror story about their maternity wards http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8204824.stm
My wife had a blood disorder caused by the pregnancy and had to be put on steroids to stop her from suddenly bleeding to death which isn't great news for a pregnant woman. Her specialist said that a midwife, doctor and hematologist had to be present at the birth and the baby would need to be checked immediately in case he had the same problem, we were also told that when we called the hospital it would all be made ready.
When she went into labour, we went to hospital only to be sent home, then when we called again about an hour later saying the contractions were getting a lot closer we kept getting told that the baby wasn't coming as the contractions were irregular and there wasn't a bed anyway.
My wife then almost gave birth on the toilet by mistake, when the ambulance arrived they were telling her to try and keep the baby in as it's head was starting to come out and she ended up giving birth with no pain relief in A&E.
She was sent up to a ward, no midwife, no Hematologist, no nurse. I had to go looking for someone but there was 1 midwife for 2 wards so was very hard to find. The baby was weighed and inspected over 2 hours after delivery and we had to wait over 12 hours after the baby was given the OK to leave as there was no doctor on the entire hospital wing that could sign my wife out.
I'd like to say this was rare for the NHS but unfortunately we were one of the lucky people who actually got somewhere to give birth other than a corridor.
Social healthcare is a great idea but you'll soon see how bad the system can be once your relatives start dying from poor treatment and infections picked up in dirty wards
(p.s. I won't vote though as it's a US issue and I don't know how good your current system is)
I just took a look at today's news and what a suprise, another NHS horror story about their maternity wards http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8204824.stm
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I disagree on both points:
Why do you say that Dallen would fall under the government option? Why couldn't he keep his existing insurance plan?
SEC. 112. GUARANTEED ISSUE AND RENEWAL FOR INSURED PLANS.
The requirements of sections 2711 (other than subsections (c) and (e)) and 2712 (other than paragraphs (3), and (6) of subsection (b) and subsection (e)) of the Public Health Service Act, relating to guaranteed availability and renewability of health insurance coverage, shall apply to individuals and employers in all individual and group health insurance coverage, whether offered to individuals or employers through the Health Insurance Exchange, through any employment-based health plan, or otherwise, in the same manner as such sections apply to employers and health insurance coverage offered in the small group market, except that such section 2712(b)(1) shall apply only if, before nonrenewal or discontinuation of coverage, the issuer has provided the enrollee with notice of non-payment of premiums and there is a grace period during which the enrollees has an opportunity to correct such nonpayment. Rescissions of such coverage shall be prohibited except in cases of fraud as defined in sections 2712(b)(2) of such Act.
Norcal Jeeper has a pre-existing condition which is not part of the government option but a requirement that pre-existing conditions be eliminated from all private insurance policies.
SEC. 111. PROHIBITING PRE-EXISTING CONDITION EXCLUSIONS.
A qualified health benefits plan may not impose any pre-existing condition exclusion (as defined in section 2701(b)(1)(A) of the Public Health Service Act) or otherwise impose any limit or condition on the coverage under the plan with respect to an individual or dependent based on any health status-related factors (as defined in section 2791(d)(9) of the Public Health Service Act) in relation to the individual or dependent.
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I am all for a better health care program than what I personally have now. I work 2 jobs in the public sector of a government opertion, and have crappy health coverage. It doesn't cover what my family needs! In fact, I am going to save my pennies for a $700 procedure(birth control method) I want to have done b/c my insurance will not cover it! Rock on with government insurance plans ONLY IF they cover what the people want/need medically. But if these plans are the usual government bull**** that costs us in the middle class more than it does currently, then I hope it never happens..I am health/medical insurance poor already...Oh yeah, and that great government jobs I have gross far less than people in factories..My family would probably qualify for wic...So in conclusion, if there insurance plans pay anything like our government salaries, steer far away!!!!
So, are you saying Canada, Australia, New Zealand and most of Europe are the new Cuba?
I would have never figured you for a communist Tony! Learn somethign new every day.
commie commie commie
The bill states that an employer must enroll an employee in
the government plan unless the employee specifically opts out and instead “elects coverage under an employment-based health benefits plan offer by such employer.”
This is a vehicle through which private insurers will be squeezed from the marketplace. The government-run program will be able to offer lower premiums to the employee who will be forced to choose between the size of the withholding from his paycheck and the quality of care offered.
Who are they gonna go with? Honestly... Businesses need to continuously cut costs.
Pink is the new black, making a joke there actually. However they are not really far from one another.
If nothing changes in the current medical insurance system in the US, you better hope that either your parents live until you reach Medicare age, or that you will be able to hold jobs with group medical insurance benefits (with no unemployment gaps longer than COBRA continuation coverage limits and no former employers going out of business while you are still using COBRA coverage from them) until you reach Medicare age.
I say no. Why? We have the best healthcare system in the world. There's a reason everybody in the world wants to come here. Sure it's expensive, but that's about the only problem. Like anything, you delete the private sector, you delete what this country was founded on, individual entrepaneurism. Wasn't this country founded to GET AWAY FROM THE GOVERNMENT??? WHY THE HECK IS EVERYBODY WANTING GOVERNMENT TO RUN EVERYTHING?
Socialized healthcare = worst idea ever.
85% of the population of the US has health insurance (people under 65). Only the really poor do not. Well, generally speaking. So why are we wanting to get all this healthcare for free when the majority of the population has it? Oh, that's right, people want something for free if they can get it, even if it means it's WAAAAAAYYYYY worse than what they currently have if they don't have to pay for it.
Socialized healthcare = worst idea ever.
85% of the population of the US has health insurance (people under 65). Only the really poor do not. Well, generally speaking. So why are we wanting to get all this healthcare for free when the majority of the population has it? Oh, that's right, people want something for free if they can get it, even if it means it's WAAAAAAYYYYY worse than what they currently have if they don't have to pay for it.