Muai Thai or Taekwando

This is only in response to the original post, there are far to many others to read right this moment. But I have some good advice, having done both muy thai and TKD. What I can tell you is at the lower levels muy thai is far more effective and practical on a broad scale.

I'll be a low green belt in TKD this Monday and I've been doing muy thai for 3 or four years now. So I can compare the two very easily in terms of practicality at low levels.

TKD is not useless, but is less effective at the lower levels. Mostly because people aren't as good at kicking as they are at punching because kicking requires you to balance on one foot. Once you get to higher levels in TKD, I suspect, they are comparable to each other. But I think that breaking point comes around 2nd or maybe even 3rd dan if their both training at equal levels (3rd dan is 3rd level black belt in case anybody is in the dark.)

Just remember no art is better than another and there is no ultimate art. Only that which works for you.
 
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Agree with most of what you said here Evo.

I would add only this:

Ask yourself why it is you want to become active with martial arts. Is defense your main concern?....or is some type of activity and other form of cardio your primary goal? Or, and some may really frown upon this, is your goal to dominate your adversary in the event that you get into a brawl....in which case you must have in your the killer instinct, or the desire to adapt yourself to think this way. I got into MA for many reasons...and I admit that I had opportunities that many here(or any where) simply do not have access to. I have always had the killer instinct within me. When i say killer instinct, I don't really mean the ability to kill....I mean the ability to fight, to accept pain, to deal with blood pooling in your eye's or mouth and the raw ability to survive. For me, I wanted to be as knowledgable as i could be with the various forms I have studied and continue to study. And I commited meself to that form. You have to if you want to succeed...unless you are in it for "fun"....which is fine, also.

Just determine what you want out of it. Do not extnd yourself beyond your present capacity. I have seen folks try to train in a particualr style when they had no clue the basic fundementals of ANY given art form. I have seen some that knew, to some extent, what they were doing, but did not have the ability to take pain. Heck, you see it in the UFC, Pride fighting and in boxing in general. Guy has all kinds of talent, then gets hit and goes down fast. It's a fact of life, some can over come this...many can not.

Think. Commit. Succeed.


Every animal on this Earth has the "Killer Instinct". Its called "Fight or Flee" and its programed into everything. If you kick a dog, it will usually run, if you back it into a corner and continue to kick it, it will leap at you and rip out your throat. It will disregard any threat of pain and keep attacking until you kill it, or it kills you.

You will very rarely go into a manic killing mode when you are jumped on the street, but rather, your body will dump adrenaline into you for you to be able to run away from the attack. Mother's with children in toe are the obvious exception. Mothers have been known to be able to deadlift a car off their trapped children.

One main method of nurturing the "fight" is to spar. If you are confident in your ablity to fight off someone, then you will be less likely to look for a means to run. You will still look for a way to not to fight, but if that is hopeless, you will stand your ground. Muay Thai spars with full contact punches to the head. That is the biggest difference between MT and TKD. The first few months a TKD fighter spends at our gym, they get dominated in sparing. Embarassingly so usually. They fair alright until they get their first punch thrown at them, and then they freeze up. Its not something they are used to and dont have the experience to deal with it. After a few months of training, they are able to deal with punches and no longer freeze up.

In your Example of UFC, Pride, Boxing etc. Sure, fighters give up all the time. Its usually when they don't see a way that they can win. Perhaps their biggest skill is take downs and finishing with ground and pound, if their opponent sprawls and stays on his feet, while delivering nasty punches to them, they will start to freeze up, hesitate, and get dropped. Again, its because they didn't train properly for the fight.

If the OP had listed MT, Boxing and TKD as his options, I would of probably told him to stay with boxing. The vast majority of fights I have seen, and fights I have been in, end when someone punches the guy hard enough to drop them, and then stomps on them. Being able to deal with punches is no1 in SD. People always list statistics saying "80% of all fights go to ground, BJJ is the only way to combat this". Usually, only 1 fighter goes to the ground, and usually from getting punched there.
 
I view tkd as ineffective, irrelevant and inefficiant. there may be some great tkd fighters in the world but it is still a very inefficiant and irrelevant way of fighting.

the use of forms is higly outdated practice. I mean when you go to non traditional karate the first thing you learn are western boxing techniques - pad drills, full contact sparring etc. not kata and silly patterns the must be memorized.

the vast majority of kicks that make contact in tkd do so mainly because they just stand their hopping about facing each other and waiting ( which does not happen in a real fight ).

in mauy thai the moves are simple, highly destructive and powerful, and there is far more relevance and efficiancy in mauy thai kicks etc.

There is very little conditioning of the body in tkd which I believe is just as important as the martial art if not more.
the only conditioning I have witnessed is 10 - 20 minutes of press ups , sit ups, stretching and warming up.

in mauy thai we do 45 - 60 mins hard fast, consistant training with no breaks which includes sit ups, russian sit ups, crunches, reverse crunches, skipping, elevated press ups, close hand press ups, plyometrics, isometrics, resistance weight training, circuit training etc.

I have occasionaly vomited as a result of simple body weight training at mauy thai. And that is even when I started mauy thai already very fit and strong.

look at it this way, is someone you love wanted to train at a martial art to defend themselves would you honestly point them in the direction of a tkd school over the training of a muay thai, kickboxing school etc.

If I had a son or daughter and they were having a hard time at school I would ban them from taking tkd and I would send them to muay thai or non-traditional karate etc. I would not send them to tkd, this is not because I am arrogant of training at muay thai. I would send them to muay thai because I genuinely believe that they would not be able to defend themselves using tkd.

6 months of solid training at muay thai with full contact sparring including proper excercise outside of muay thai (weight lifting, isometrics, pylometrics, circuit training etc) And they will be more of a match to anyone than any tkd black belt holder.

the physical body of a muay thai fighter is one of the most respected. The unique conditioning of that body makes muay thai fighters completely solid some of the muay training camps have some of the most brutal harshest training regimes there is. Much harsher than doing press ups, situps then shouting HHHIIII as you do a fancy aerial kick then break a board.

have you seen the way tkd teaches punches in these pathetic countless forms. you argue about the fact that tkd teaches you locks, I would prefer to train at bjj or sambo for adequate locking techniques.

One martial art the I am impressed with is non tradtitional karate which has transformed with the times and kept evolving. The first thing you do in non trad karate is dispose of these ridculous century outdated forms. Then you cut out all non relevant, inefficiant moves.
non trad karate cross trains in jujitsu, western boxing techniques and training etc.

does taekwondo do this NO.
 
Muay Thai is the most effective, quick to learn stand up art there is.

Um... not to be anal, but there are a number of similar kickboxing styles other than Muay Thai. Muay Lao (Laos), Muay Khmer (Cambodia), Lethwei (Burma), Sanda (China), Yaw Yan (Philipines)... etc. Muay Thai is just the most well known of all. :cool:
 
Um... not to be anal, but there are a number of similar kickboxing styles other than Muay Thai. Muay Lao (Laos), Muay Khmer (Cambodia), Lethwei (Burma), Sanda (China), Yaw Yan (Philipines)... etc. Muay Thai is just the most well known of all. :cool:

Not to be Anal, but the original poster is asking about Muay Thai and TKD.
 
the use of forms is higly outdated practice. I mean when you go to non traditional karate the first thing you learn are western boxing techniques - pad drills, full contact sparring etc. not kata and silly patterns the must be memorized.

So they've stripped out the tradition of the art. What then makes it karate if it does not seperate itself from other arts?

the vast majority of kicks that make contact in tkd do so mainly because they just stand their hopping about facing each other and waiting ( which does not happen in a real fight ).

Sure...in Olympic style sparring. The ITF does not spar this way. Full contact, continuous point sparring does not spar this way. You're jumping at generalizations based on limited exposure to the art.

in mauy thai the moves are simple, highly destructive and powerful, and there is far more relevance and efficiancy in mauy thai kicks etc.

TKD teaches the basics. Yes there are some individuals that will try to use 'teh fancy' moves. However, most will be just as happy to go for a kick to the shin and a knee to the groin. I don't understand why so many people pigeon hole people because they study under a certain name.

There is very little conditioning of the body in tkd which I believe is just as important as the martial art if not more.
the only conditioning I have witnessed is 10 - 20 minutes of press ups , sit ups, stretching and warming up.

In my last two TKD schools, we started with 10 minutes of jumping rope followed by push ups, bear crawls, crunches, etc while getting hit with a shinai and getting hit by medicine balls.

6 months of solid training at muay thai with full contact sparring including proper excercise outside of muay thai (weight lifting, isometrics, pylometrics, circuit training etc) And they will be more of a match to anyone than any tkd black belt holder.

Way to just go all out there and denounce every single TKD black belt. Thai Boxing is not the be all, end all.

the physical body of a muay thai fighter is one of the most respected. The unique conditioning of that body makes muay thai fighters completely solid some of the muay training camps have some of the most brutal harshest training regimes there is. Much harsher than doing press ups, situps then shouting HHHIIII as you do a fancy aerial kick then break a board.

Awesome. I'd hope every martial artist is interested in pushing hte conditioning of their bodies. But you make it sound like Thai Boxers are walking assault weapons. Now, some traditional camps in 3rd world nations do live this way...but they live this way.


have you seen the way tkd teaches punches in these pathetic countless forms. you argue about the fact that tkd teaches you locks, I would prefer to train at bjj or sambo for adequate locking techniques.

There are bad schools every way despite the art. There are bad instructors out there. You ahve to look past the art and look at the quality of the instruction. You might be surprised...but crazily enough there are a lot of TKD schools out there that have progressed with the times and do cross-training. I've seen a number of schools that teach chokes, locks, submissions, ground fighting, clinch, etc

I guess you didn't know that traditional Thai Boxing has (gasp) forms. I like how you've just torn down every single TKD instructor in every single TKD school. You have an awesome objective outlook.
 
Hello folks,

I do boxing but due to some personal relations breaking down I have a lot more free time on my hands.

I'm looking into doing a martial art for self defense reasons, two are offered in my area: Muai Thai and TaeKwanDo.


Self defense would be my primary goal and I'd much rather a practical martial art rather than a flash sportive one. I have no problem with what either course focuses on, the boxing doesn't really come into it as I'd like to try something new.

Sparring would be ok with me but obviously I'd want to get a lot better first before I went against someone.

The two sports clash as regards time so I'd be unable to do both.



I don't know much about either MuaiThai or Taekwando...

But I think for self defense you should look into finding a CKM insructor in your area. Just do a Google search for Commando Krav Mega.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Ahh, well it looks like I'm adding to an old post, but seeing as I have already typed this ...

I think one of the biggest issues of Martial Arts Training these days is the tuition and the tutor. It makes all the difference. Unfortunately it is difficult to know just how good a school or teacher really is until quite some time down the road. These days I see plenty of classes all of which are at astronomical prices. It seems that in this city the Martial Arts are being targetted at the Middle-Class well-to-do who don't know any better and are wiling to pay £20 for a 2-hour lesson. I refuse to pay that much. In most cases I would be better off working out at the gym for a fraction of the cost, and that is precisely what I am doing.

Anyhow, I trained in TKD for 5 years and reached 1st Dan Back Belt. The truth be told, I know for a fact that had I or any of my colleagues gone up against a Muay Thai fighter that we would have been finished. I also attended some Judo classes and came to realise just how puny I was against some of the guys in there. They had immense body strength and once on the ground I was finished. Don't get me wrong, I like TKD and I used to really enjoy mastering all those kicks ... but, I really don't think, particularly as it is taught in many schools, that it is really good enough for self-defence. It was great for fitness, and even endurance, but not for strength or self-defence.

Muay Thai toughens you up and gets you match ready and Judo prepares you for on the ground grappling. If I were to get back into MA at any point in the future it would be Judo for sure - it gives you an excellent all-body workout and builds strength. Judo is awesome.
 
I think that Thai boxing is the clear choice for you. It's far more applicable to self defense type situations (if only due to the type of mental conditioning you're develop) AND will be much quicker to learn (or atleast develop an applicable level).

alleycat
 
But Taekwando looks way cooler ;-)

alleycat
 
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