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Good post stroutman, you put your view across well, +rep for that

Getting back to the OP's question though, I don't think there any any foods or suppliments that increase metabolism. Most pills that make these claims just contain lots of caffeine and I don't think that would have much effect to be honest
 
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But if I'm bulking and eat 3 meals a day, I thought this would happen

Insulin levels go much higher than needed to support maximum muscle growth, so more fat is stored.
Once everything is digested and burned or stored as fat and liver glucogen, your body releases glucagon to get energy from liver glucogen and is effectively catabolic.
After 3 hours most protein is either used for muscle building or burned off, the body can't store protein so you should resupply every 3 hours.

So that would translate into long periods being catabolic and I'd end up with less muscle and more fat.

Is this wrong?
 
Nicolasd said:
But if I'm bulking and eat 3 meals a day, I thought this would happen

Insulin levels go much higher than needed to support maximum muscle growth, so more fat is stored.
Once everything is digested and burned or stored as fat and liver glucogen, your body releases glucagon to get energy from liver glucogen and is effectively catabolic.
After 3 hours most protein is either used for muscle building or burned off, the body can't store protein so you should resupply every 3 hours.

So that would translate into long periods being catabolic and I'd end up with less muscle and more fat.

Is this wrong?
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Being this technical isnt necessary, I believe.

In the end of the day, what matters THE MOST is the law of energy balance: Whether you ate more in calories than what your body needed or less than what the body needed to produce a deciding factor in whether one does or does not obtain tissue growth (fat or muscle, with an exception possibly with beginners).

I support eating often (4 to 6) for nutritional benefits but even with this opinion others have gotten good results eating less often.

Protein can be converted to energy if needed by the body if the body's preference (carbs) are low, and excess protein can be fat stored and left unused (and even secreted in urine I believe, but im not sure on this one)
 
Can protein be stored in fats, so it can be retrieved as protein later, or do you mean just converted to fat (which can't be converted back AFAIK)?

You say the law of energy balance tells you whether you'll store tissue, I completely agree here, but I have a strong preference for storing muscle over fat ;)

If it works like I think (or thought) it does, then it's pretty important to get that technical, because it's going to be the difference between being anabolic for 18 hours of the day instead of just 9. If I'm wrong and you stay anabolic for equal amounts of time on 4 or 6 meals a day, then it's a difference case.

What sort of gains have you seen on 4 meals a day Chillen?
 
Yes, Nicolasd, Protein is can be stored as fat. Aswell, Fat can be "reconverted" to NON-essential amino acids at a later time if needed.
 
My goals are different than most, and admittingly, I go against the grain on many occasions: For example: In one week per day I may eat 7 meals each day. The next week, I may eat just 4 per day, and the next 3, and the next 5. Why? Just to keep my body saying WTF?

In addition, when I was in deficit to lose weight my deficit calories per day....were NOT the same amounts.

I never plateaued in weight loss in the 30 lbs I lost. I never had to eat over my MT line like "some" have to at some point in their personal journey. (edit: I did have to, when my fat percentage got low...this was a DIFFERENT beast)

My point here is my main attention was on calories first and nutrients a close second, and one doesnt have to get that technical to lose tissue. If fat loss is the primary goal. (in the sense your speaking, though I did get technical in the caloric v activity ratio side in my journey)

On the issue of muscle growth. This to depends on what one's goal is and what one wants to maximize more while accepting a side negative product.

At 46 I dont want to be in the huge bulking business. So,I set out to learn my body, and over time I have done just that.

I gained 4 lbs in 5 weeks (end of July to end of august), and I gained no fat weight--repeat no fat weight. Now ask me how I managed that?
 
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Trevor M said:
Yes, Nicolasd, Protein is can be stored as fat. Aswell, Fat can be "reconverted" to NON-essential amino acids at a later time if needed.
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Ok, but I still need essential amino acids to build muscle tissue, right?

So if my body has burned them or converted them to fat, I'm going to need to eat more. So the question is, how long is the body going to let essential amino acids float around unused? Is it a linear reduction in the amount, or is it a case of half-life?
 
In a week I eat 3 per day, I may consume nearly 1,000c (especially if work interferred, and was problematic to the diet), just before bed, but would only do this if a workout was scheduled in the am. I stayed lean. Laws of energy balance IS most crucial. Im not advocating this amount by any means, just making a point.
 
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I'll guess: not by eating 6 meals a day :yelrotflmao:
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LOL.

On average before I started to switch it up on the "frequency" part of the meals, I would generally eat 4 to 6, and divide the calories amound the number of meals. I preplanned them most of the time.

I always liked a small meal before bed on an average day (I say average because, you know, some days can get....Screwed up, with work, and other things, etc). I know before I went to bed, for example, that I was going to burn approximately (560c for my weight, etc) while sleeping (and this is figured in my limits), so in this sense, eating before bed isnt problematic because it fits the energy equation and/or personal diet goals.

Anyway, Im done blabbing............LOL :)
 
Chillen said:
I gained 4 lbs in 5 weeks (end of July to end of august), and I gained no fat weight--repeat no fat weight. Now ask me how I managed that?
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What was you ' ballpark " bf% before you gained the 4 lbs ?

How can you be so sure none of the 4 lbs came from fat ?
 
Nicolasd said:
Ok, but I still need essential amino acids to build muscle tissue, right?

So if my body has burned them
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I suspect you are only going to burn amino acids ( in a significant way beyond what is normally burned )- i.e as a ' primary ' fuel source - only once your glycogen stores are nearing depletion.

I wouldn't think this would be a common thing - i.e glycogen depletion - worth worrying about.


Nicolasd said:
or converted them to fat, I'm going to need to eat more.
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Again, my understanding is the only time they should be converted to fat is when you've topped up your ' amino acid pool ' - at which point any extra amino acids get converted to sugars and fatty acids.

So, I'm not clear why you would need to eat more - if all your body's protein needs have been met - with only ' excess ' protein ultimately ending up as being stored as fat.

Nicolasd said:
So the question is, how long is the body going to let essential amino acids float around unused? Is it a linear reduction in the amount, or is it a case of half-life?
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Not sure I follow - ' linear ' vs what ?
 
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