Losing fat and not muscle, ...

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Hello here is my story, I come here seeking help to permanently reduce my weight and cholesterol and lead a better, longer life hopefully, I thank you in advance for your advice. I am now 38 years old. About 3 years ago I weighed 260 lbs and lost 70, going down to 190 at my lowest. The last four years or so I have been riding my mountain bike fairly profusely, which has helped me lose weight. The past year or so I have eaten a diet too high in fat I know and a lot of protein as well. My riding has increased actually, and I have excellent stamina and strength. Problem is I now weigh 240 lbs. Although some of this is definitely muscle tissue, a lot is fat. I read somewhere you cannot outwork a bad diet. I have researched a lot of different diets and I know that it is a bad idea to go on that train, at this point all my research is just confusing. Can I please get some help in recommending a basic weekly diet that will help me lose weight, and still provide me the nutritional needs that someone who works out about 3 - 6 hours a week needs. I am five foot 10 inches.
 
There are may types of diets that work and are healthy but the key thing is whatever diet you choose, if you over eat then you will gain.

take a close look at what your eating, track the calories and cut down from there. cutting sugar is especially important as sugar spikes insulin levels which increases the amount of fat the body stores.

personally, I follow a Ketogenic way of eating, I train 4 days per week for my sport of Powerlifting and when I am not training I am either coaching or running around a sports field for my work as a sports trainer. It works well and all of my health markers are perfect at the age of 42
 
what you put in is what you get out of, with that said, any diet out there would not give you the nutritional content you need, if you think for one moment, the nutritional quality of food nowadays is deteriorating, human beings need 56 different micro and macro nutrients to function properly and in required amounts, unless you spend $70 eating many different organic fruits and veggies and getting those omega 3s from nuts i do not believe you are getting enough to repair you cells after exercising.

exercise while good, it is damaging your body in a way, your immune system weakens after exercising and the reason you are sore is that your immune system is actually attacking your muscle tissue by chemical warfare, if you don't get enough of the micronutrients you'd find that your healing time takes much longer and your health suffers.

@above while i believe you are fit for your age but saying that your health is perfect at the age of 42 is pushing it, unless you get enough of what your different cells require daily and necessary fiber, calcium to detox, you are not close to being healthy(but if you are then good job!).
 
ChengXu

detoxing – the idea that you can flush your system of impurities and leave your organs squeaky clean and raring to go – is a scam. It’s a pseudo-medical concept designed to sell you things.

What makes you think I am not healthy ?

As an Elite athlete, I not only have regular blood tests, I also have a range of other regular tests as well, You do NOT become a National champion by being unhealthy. You also do not coach others to National Records without knowing how to feed the body for proper recovery
 
may i ask you how many times do you excrete waste product in a day? this form of detox is the act of keeping your bowel movements normal/regular, because a healthy bowel means a healthy body and immune system. how many meals you eat in a day determines how many times you should excrete waste in a day, the healthy amount is 2 times.

and detox is not a scam if things do actually work, products are genuine not made with half-arse ingredients, the reason most think it is a scam because the products are not made with potency and quality, most of them are just for mass profit gain. however just because you have seen some that doesn't work that doesn't mean everything out there is the same.

I know few elite athletes and they DO detox, but only with the right products and the advice of the right professionals, this is why exercise is good, it is a form of detox by getting your blood moving.

and i did say that if you know your nutrition then you probably are healthy and good job on that, but athletes even elite ones don't know everything. I'm not discrediting anyone but others here are not you, they do not do this for a passion/career they are only looking to lose weight and being healthy, to athletes they often are accustomed to the intense training that they forget how hard it is for an average person to do the same.
 
If you want to maintain muscle and loose fat, keep up the training which caused you to gain that muscle.
As for diet, eat a small calorie deficit. Between 10 and 20%. No more. The fat will come off slower, but you'll preserve the lean mass underneath.
Get around 0.8 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass. So if you're 30% body fat at 240, you have 180lbs of lean mass. That's roughly 140g of protein per day.
Keep your fat intake to around .45 grams per pound of body weight, to regulate hormones ect,.
Get the rest of your calories from whatever sources you enjoy eating.
Be sensible. You can eat crap and still change your body composition, but your energy levels, mood, and overall health will be awful.

Keep in mind that when you're in a calorie deficit, your muscles don't retain as much glycogen as when you're maintaining or eating enough to grow.
If you start feeling flat, up your carbs to bring your calories up to maintenance for a few days.


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I'm here to share knowledge and help others, it's not a place where I am to prove myself to satisfy your curiosity and questions, as an athlete you should have known these otherwise it just means that you aren't learning from enough sources(credible ones might i add, and no it's not something i found online, you have to go to seminars for these).

anyways back on topic, to the OP, you should do some research and find the current best supplement in the market because as important as temporary/permanent weight loss is to yourself, health/nutrition is even more important and you cannot get enough with dieting.
an hour a day is more than enough for exercise, it doesn't need to be anything heavy(which you should avoid, to prevent injuring your joints) but enough to get you using energy and your blood pumping. lots of fiber rich foods and water, that should be more than enough to give you a healthy weightloss experience without you feeling fatigued.

added note: cholesterol is not bad, your liver actually manufactures cholesterol because it is THAT important, your hormones are made of cholesterol and you need it for proper brain and body functions. cholesterol only gets bad if it gets oxidised which turns LDL into a sticky substance that clings to your artery walls, but that can be solved by consuming the healthy cholesterol(omega 3 for example) so again, go out and find the most potent omega 3 supplement in the market. by following those and a normal balanced diet of regular fruit/veg, lean meat, dairy products in 6 small servings a day to keep your metabolism going, you would be able to achieve your goal of living LONGER, BETTER, LIGHTER and HEALTHIER.
 
If you claim a product or process works then yes proof is expected

Respected scientific seminars are usually associated with proper peer reviewed studies

There are a lot of seminars out there run by companies to sell their product, but that does not make them legitimate.
 
again, if you are into health, these basic stuff you should already know and I am not going to satisfy your curiosities by going through unnecessary effort to get images and statements from people i know who have had great results(is it even allowed on this site? because it appears that it is fairly restrictive so far to not be able to post any links).

unless the OP asks me for it because he wants to see what kind of results he would get then it's not something I would go through the effort of, because my job here is to help the person in need and provide him the necessary resources.

what you said about particular seminars are true but that's where personal research comes in, I already know that you are less likely to listen to me regardless of what i say because from the way you speak you sound very firm in your own beliefs and methods, and in a way negative because all you focus on are what bad could possibly come out of anything rather than what's good(I may be wrong so if you are not then all is good, and I am mistaken). so i do encourage you to just spend a few minutes on google and find what i could possibly be talking about.
 
You're certainly correct in your assumption that you cannot outwork a poor diet, not least when it comes to exercising heavily, edt333. When you got on your bike three years ago what changes did you make at the time, to allow you to begin losing weight?

The reason I ask is that the 70lbs you'd shed won't have been achieved through exercise alone; you'll have no doubt made the necessary alterations to your diet and your daily calorie intake to allow you to begin losing weight.

Equally, since whatever you were doing appeared to be working for you, I'm slightly confused as to why you'd begin to consume excessive amounts of protein and fat. Did your habits change as a result of concessions from medical and health organisations, over how they'd mis-informed the public for decades on the consumption of a low fat/high carb diet?

If so, what may have been reported in the media following these concessions, needs to be taken with a pinch of salt (no pun intended), largely due to the fact that high amounts of saturated fat in the diet do remain largely unhealthy, since it is simply stored around muscles and internal organs, to be utilised as energy in the future.

Granted, an excess of sugar in the diet also contributes towards stored fat, since your muscles will only absorb the glycogen needed to replenish depleted stores (through exercise, for example). Furthermore, the vast majority of what has been reported in the media is aimed at those who are obese or morbidly obese (already possessing metabolic conditions), in an attempt to make them change their eating habits from high sugar/high fat diets.

However, for those who exercise regularly, carbs (with a low sugar content) do remain an important food source as consumption immediately after exercise, in particular, helps to deliver glycogen to depleted muscle, allowing the body to re-fuel. Why do you think that distance runners and cyclists continually consume carbohydrate to fuel their endeavour?

Protein also plays an important role in the re-building of muscle, ensuring that existing mass isn't lost through cardiovascular endeavour. However, it is broken down by the body into amino acids, which enter the cells of the muscle to support growth and re-generation of fibres. Amino acids aren't utilised by the body to replace depleted glycogen reserves; glycogen can only largely be obtained from consumption of carbohydrate (preferably complex sources).

The purpose of the above is to hopefully allow you to understand that carbohydrate isn’t the enemy that it’s purported to be. After all, along with protein and healthy fats, carbohydrate is a macro-nutrient, one which is needed by the body, not least in terms of energy production. The real enemy is the excessively high levels of refined (sugary) carbohydrates present in 21st Century diets (cakes, sweets, pastries), as they’re hugely energy dense whilst offering very little in terms of nutritional value.

In light of changing dietary advice, it’s understandable that you’re confused, edt333. However, since the vast majority of your exercise appears to be dominated by cardio, if you’ve shunned the carbs in the past 12 months, I’d recommend that you re-introduce them, whilst reducing your fat intake, since I suspect that you’re attempting to replace fat with carbs in order to fuel your endeavour. As for your protein consumption, keep it around 1g/per lb of body weight, to ensure mass isn’t lost through gluconeogenesis (conversion of amino acids into glucose).

Additionally, in your quest to begin shedding the pounds again, research BMR calculators, since they’re largely accurate, in terms of determining your recommended daily calorific intake based upon your activity levels, so long as you’re eating a healthy, balanced diet. Having obtained your recommended BMR, you can then make the necessary daily calorie reductions which, combined with your mountain biking, allowing you to begin losing weight again.
 
Hi I'm v. new here, trying to navigate this site. Had a question on your post = is swimming a low intensity cardio? Am I going to lose muscle?
JanetT
 
Despite being far less stressful upon your joints, due to the fact your body is supported in the water, swimming is far a more strenuous activity than you'd probably imagine, Janet, as your muscles repeatedly work against resistance with every stroke.

Whilst swimming will never build the kind of mass that you'd expect to accomplish through weight training, for example, the activity will still condition your muscles, providing them with shape and endurance (think triathlete physiques). Additionally, regular swimming is unlikely to lead to loss of muscle mass, particularly if you maintain your protein intake while attempting to shed body fat.

Moreover, by increasing efficiency in the water (improving technique), the faster and further you’ll be able to swim, thus burning more calories in the process. However, improving technique isn’t gained through kicking and pulling harder, it’s achieved through minimising resistance in the water, working with the water and not against it.

My above explanation is probably best demonstrated by the Total Immersion technique, taught by Terry Laughlin. Although I’d always been a good swimmer, after adopting his technique, my freestyle stroke has been totally transformed. Having re-educated myself to swim, I’m now able to glide up and down the pool with effortless grace (swimming up to 2 miles at a time), much to the envy and annoyance of other pool users who proceed to kick and pull their way through the water.

If swimming is an activity that you already enjoy, or you are considering, research ‘Total Immersion’ videos on YouTube and all shall become clear.
 
[Thank you Mr. NiceGuy, I am happy to hear that eating proteins will help with loss of muscle. I am a big fan of protein - fish and chicken especially, as together with veggies, I can feel full and not go looking for other foods that are not good for me.

Still having a hard time navigating this web site... but appreciated getting the answer about swimming and muscle loss.

JanetT
 
You're welcome Janet. I'm pleased to hear that you found my reply to be helpful.

As a former competitive swimmer, the vast majority of my training consisted of gym work, in order to develop power throughout the stroke. However, when considering swimming in a recreational/fitness setting, it's unlikely that you'd need to worry about loss of muscle mass. If anything, your efforts will encourage the development of elongation and definition in the muscles worked throughout.
 
Hey there.

Just my two cents.

What worked for me was the Paleo diet. Lost the fat and loads of weight.

Now I do weight training to add muscle.

Been there, done it. Ask me anything, I am happy to help.

Alfie
 
Thanks. Where is your blog? Or maybe I will just google Paleo diet, which I just did. Basically, it's gluten, dairy and refined foods free. Except for my bowl of oatmeal in the a.m., that's what I try to do. I guess I just have to be stricter about my food choices.
Janet T
 
There is a lot that can be changed.
you don't have to run straight to Paleo, although that can work for you.
What you put in is what you get out like the guy said.
Don't worry about peer review, as much as you using common sense.
A lot of that stuff isn't properly funded by people who have your best interest in mind even at the peer review level.
I only know because i've been heavily involved with the peer review process myself.
 
It really is, as you say, "what you put in is what you get out" :)
I'm referring to what you put into your mouth is what the outcome is.

JanetT
 
Alot of how you look depends on a nice clean diet! i think its like 80% diet as aposed to 20% your physical activity! just watch what you eat and saty active! :) cheers
 
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