The posted article doesn't cite any sources, so I think it's fair of shygemini to take it with a grain of salt. I also couldn't find any credentials posted on Lyle's site, but it could just be that I wasn't looking in the right places. People here seem to respect his writing a lot, so I assume he has a background to support this.
Is it normal for weight to go in unpredictable "chunks"
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Andy2
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I can understand why a lot of people could potentially be wary of another "expert" in nutrition/kinesiology. If you take a look at the stickies, you will find there have been a LOT of published scientific studies that Lyle has been apart of.
AFAIK, he knows more about how the body works than the rest of us combined.
AFAIK, he knows more about how the body works than the rest of us combined.
Jeanette401
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Kayshiz, have you checked out He claims to train people and get them losing fat/gaining muscle at the same time. Essentially by alternating between surplus and deficit in the same day and timing the surplus to be around weight lifting.
There's also something called the Every Other Day diet (or EOD as it's referred to on Lyle's forums) which uses a similar principle. Eat at a surplus after weight lifting and a deficit at other times. The basic principle being that when you're at a deficit you'll burn fat and in a surplus you'll gain muscle.
This doesn't really contradict Lyle's theory because he's talking in general terms and the super short bulk/cut cycle makes it look like you're doing both at the same time, but really you're switching back and forth between the two in a very short time frame.
There's also something called the Every Other Day diet (or EOD as it's referred to on Lyle's forums) which uses a similar principle. Eat at a surplus after weight lifting and a deficit at other times. The basic principle being that when you're at a deficit you'll burn fat and in a surplus you'll gain muscle.
This doesn't really contradict Lyle's theory because he's talking in general terms and the super short bulk/cut cycle makes it look like you're doing both at the same time, but really you're switching back and forth between the two in a very short time frame.
shygemini
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I have two university degrees (including a M.Sc), and am working on my third degree. So yes, i have more credentials than Lyle, and likely more than others on this forum.
shygemini
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Yes, i totally agree. i never said it was easy to gain muscle while losing weight, simply that it is possible. In this situation, the individual would need to be consuming a fair amount of protein, as well as doing significant weight training. It would also take a longer period of time than if one's goal was simply to gain muscle.
The problem with nutrition, is that although it is a science, everyone thinks they are an expert in it. The truth is that there are far more false experts out there than real ones, and so if i see posted articles by someone with no credentials, regardless of how much they have written, I tend not to put much trust in what they say.
And in the same grain as what you said... If you have any reputable articles stating that one cannot gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, i think it would be a fantastic read
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Kayshiz
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That was actually a very good read Jeanette, thank you.
And I do want to clarify, because after reading back thru the thread I don't think my initial comment was as well put as it could have been.
My main point was that it is not easy, and some would say near impossible, to put on muscle long term in a calorie deficit.
And as Jeanette article stated, even if were one to do such a thing, even in a long term capacity, its probably not going to be accidental.
And I have still yet to find an article that shows muscle gain in a calorie deficit long term in people not doing large amounts of strength training and on specific nutritional diets to promote the muscle gain.
So, to summarize: People do not tend to gain muscle long term on a calorie deficit by accident.
That was all.
And I do want to clarify, because after reading back thru the thread I don't think my initial comment was as well put as it could have been.
My main point was that it is not easy, and some would say near impossible, to put on muscle long term in a calorie deficit.
And as Jeanette article stated, even if were one to do such a thing, even in a long term capacity, its probably not going to be accidental.
And I have still yet to find an article that shows muscle gain in a calorie deficit long term in people not doing large amounts of strength training and on specific nutritional diets to promote the muscle gain.
So, to summarize: People do not tend to gain muscle long term on a calorie deficit by accident.
That was all.
shygemini
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Then we are in agreement
The truth is that this is an issue which is not yet resolved, and thus finding a reputable article to support EITHER side would be quite impossible
Kayshiz
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Then we are in agreement
I can live with that.
I haven't quite learned to give reps yet so here is a thumbs up for this post =)