I just want to make a point about why American football won't be popular in the UK...

Karky said:
No idea what it is now. I liked it when it was to knockout, then fights could go on forever (ok, like 30-40 min). But what does time have to do with anything when the intensity is so high? I've tried doing 3 min rounds of Sanshou (strikes, kicks, takedowns) and I have never been so exhausted in my life.
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Did a quick check on UFC and it seems it has 5 minute rounds - 5 rounds for title bouts, 3 rounds for a non-title bouts. Not sure how many punches / kicks would be thrown ( and landed ) during a UFC bout.

However, I do recall someone telling me Vargas threw about 600 punches in a 12 round boxing match ( against Trinidad I think ) - with less than 40% actually landing. So, by comparison, it simply might be that going 12 rounds - 3 minutes per round - in a pro boxing bout may be among the most demanding sports there is.
 
Karky said:
Yeah but lists like that usually pretty crap. I mean, boxing? you only punch.. it gets more demanding if you have to throw kicks too.
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ONLY???!!!!

Not too mention getting punched. Boxing takes crazy conditioning.

I guess you've never played American football Matt.
 
Lol, Karky, have you ever tried boxing? I got given an intense 10 minute session once and it had me on the floor! If every punch is intense it's like repeatedly lifting at about 90% of your 1rm over and over with little break.
 
tonymcclellan said:
ONLY???!!!!

Not too mention getting punched. Boxing takes crazy conditioning.

I guess you've never played American football Matt.
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yeah, only. I'm not saying boxing isn't demanding, I'm saying MMA is more demanding. In boxing you need to be conditioned to punch and get punched.
In MMA you have to be conditioned to punch, kick, grapple, be punched, be kicked, be kneed in the head, be torn apart on the ground.

People who haven't tried grappling do not appritiate how exhausting it is to use all your muscles to try to prevent someone from ripping you in half.
 
Karky said:
yeah, only. I'm not saying boxing isn't demanding, I'm saying MMA is more demanding. In boxing you need to be conditioned to punch and get punched.
In MMA you have to be conditioned to punch, kick, grapple, be punched, be kicked, be kneed in the head, be torn apart on the ground.

People who haven't tried grappling do not appritiate how exhausting it is to use all your muscles to try to prevent someone from ripping you in half.
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I agree. Grappling, wrestling, its all extremely demanding. However, to say boxing isnt up there because all you do is punch is a weak argument. Especially when they go 12-15 rounds as compared to mma which is usually 3 rounds. Title bouts are 5.
 
I have to say this is probably one of the best soccer/football debates I've ever seen on a message board (for the most part anyway)...

for the person who said they only run one play per minute... lets see what actually happens on that "one play per minute" shall we..

The referee spots the ball, the down and yardage is indicated, then all the behind the scenes stuff goes into action..

offensive coordinators/head coaches begin to choose a play based on down, yards to go, field position, and personnel available to them.

defensive coordinators put in a defensive package in the game determining what base stunts, pass rush, defensive coverage and line/linebacker shifts happen at the line of scrimmage..

and that happens BEFORE the offense breaks the huddle..

then the QB brings his team to the line, the center calls out the blocking assignments, plus any possible blitzing linebackers/cbs/safeties.

the QB looks at the coverage to see if he can get any tells on whether or not the secondary is in man to man or zone coverage.

the QB then looks at the defensive scheme and sees whether or not he should audible out of the play, send a man in motion to get a mismatch in coverage, or just call a time out.

and thats just a little bit of what goes on in the OFFENSIVE side of the ball

The defensive line determines what side is the strong side of the offensive line and shifts that way if the defense is designed, they call a stunt if needed, the linebackers tip off or fake a blitz attempt, the secondary determines who its covering, who its doubleteaming, and what side the safety needs to help out on.

THEN THE BALL IS SNAPPED!


the QB either hands off or drops back while the offensive line executes the blocking assignment, the recievers run their routes while the QB leads them, the running back dodges tacklers, breaks tackles, gets his head taken off by a linebacker. If any one of the offensive players miss their assignment, the play will probably blow up in their face.


Thats a lot of stuff to happen in one minute per play isn't it?
 
tonymcclellan said:
I agree. Grappling, wrestling, its all extremely demanding. However, to say boxing isnt up there because all you do is punch is a weak argument. Especially when they go 12-15 rounds as compared to mma which is usually 3 rounds. Title bouts are 5.
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I never said boxing isn't up there. I just said MMA is tougher.
 
I tried boxing once at our local recreation center. The instructor was a welterweight contender, so he knew his stuff. I gotta tell you, try throwing 100 sets of combinations while you maintain your stance and bring each fist back to protect your face. It seems like nothing, but man, it was SOMETHING! We would do two minute rounds....most of us were pretty open to getting smacked by the end of the two minutes (hands down too low, reflexes too slow, etc.)

Never mind the rope jumping drills....
 
aevans, yes, a lot happens. But that a lot isn't seen by the people watching on TV. Yes, the sport has lots happening at once, and to somebody who understands it would be extremely interesting, the fact that it appears so basic and slow is really not a good advertisment for a country that does not know the sport.

To a country that watches fast moving games, it would appear complicated and slow. If, however, people learnt about what was really going on it would be a much more popular game in countries other than the US and Canada. Otherwise it just doesn't have the interest levels to pull people from other sports to it when it's not easy available to them.
 
dougp25 said:
We would do two minute rounds....most of us were pretty open to getting smacked by the end of the two minutes (hands down too low, reflexes too slow, etc.)
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That's what got me too. Yes, throwing punches, elbows, knees, and kicks can get tiring after a while. But properly blocking someone else at full force is a lot harder. Gotta keep those hands UP and TOGETHER!
 
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