How to lose my Beer Belly? HELP!

eXiilez1

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Ok my name is Dunae and I am currently 17 years old. For about 3 months now I have been wokring out. Mainly Ab exercoses 7 days a week and upper body workouts 5 days a week. My issue is that with the ab workouts I honestly havent seen any results. I eat healthy, so im eating fruits, veggies and all the good stuff but honestly I dont gain weight even if I eat unhealthy. Every day and night I do my Ab exercises which consist of the following (in order):

-In and Outs - 25 reps
-Bicycles - 25 reps
-Reverse Bicyces - 25 reps
-Crunchy Frog - 25 reps
-Cross Leg Sit Ups - 25 reps
-Fifer Scissors - 25 reps
-Hip Rock and Raise - 25 reps
-Pulse Ups - 25 reps
-V Up Roll Ups - 25 reps
-Oblique V Ups - 25 reps
-Leg Climbs - 25 reps
-Mason Twist - 40 reps

So I still pretty much have my beer belly still but my pecks are there and all. They arent flabby or anything. When I tense up my stomach/chest you can definetley feel the muscles but im just unsure if I keep doing the exercise to tighten my stomach or will I need to do some jogging ot somethig to lose it?

Thanks
 
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the only way the fat will come off is the body burning it. Diet and exercise. There is no magic cure or trick.
 
You can't spot reduce fat. If you want to lose the fat/beer belly, then you have to commit to a diet and exercise plan that helps you lose weight all over. And quite honestly, what you eat is the key to losing fat.

The first thing I'd suggest is registering for a free account on FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal or Calorie Counter, Diet Tracking, Food Journal, Nutrition Facts at The Daily Plate and starting to log your food. This will let you see how many calories you're eating and how your nutrition levels are breaking down. Once you know that, you'll be able to see more clearly where you can make adjustments, cut back, change your nutrition, etc.

The next thing I'd suggest is checking out the various sticky posts in the exercise area of the forum (Weight Loss Through Exercise - Weight Loss Forum). There are some very good posts on exercise, both cardio/aerobic and on incorporating weight lifting into your exercise plans.

I'd also suggest starting a diary in the weight loss diary area (Weight Loss Diary - Weight Loss Forum) as well as reading and participating in other diaries. This is a good way to make updates to your progress and to get support from others. It helps to find the diaries of people who have successfully lost weight (or are losing weight) and reading through them as well. Following the diaries of those who have been successful is both inspiring and informative.

Finally, I'd say you should read as much as you can of the posts on the board, especially anything that's marked "sticky". There is a ton of good information around here and a lot of times questions that new folks have has already been answered very thoroughly - so do take the time to look around and read. :)
 
-In and Outs - 25 reps
-Bicycles - 25 reps
-Reverse Bicyces - 25 reps
-Crunchy Frog - 25 reps
-Cross Leg Sit Ups - 25 reps
-Fifer Scissors - 25 reps
-Hip Rock and Raise - 25 reps
-Pulse Ups - 25 reps
-V Up Roll Ups - 25 reps
-Oblique V Ups - 25 reps
-Leg Climbs - 25 reps
-Mason Twist - 40 reps

Hey now, I know that routine. Hello fellow P90X fan! :)

But like others have mentioned, you need to focus on your diet more than anything. It won't help doing the above routine everday nearly as much as reducing your body fat will. And why the heck do you have a "beer belly" at 17? I think you should find something else to drink!
 
Hey now, I know that routine. Hello fellow P90X fan! :)

But like others have mentioned, you need to focus on your diet more than anything. It won't help doing the above routine everday nearly as much as reducing your body fat will. And why the heck do you have a "beer belly" at 17? I think you should find something else to drink!

Well I dont know what you call it i jsut have a belly lol. I dont drink beer at all. I drink alot of water. The dieting thing is a little tough for me im really unsure how to use callories etc and plus work is really busy so im not sure if I can follow a full routine. And I would follow the WHOLE p90x but as I said. I work ALOT.
 
Small changes will help. Start with a food diary so you can look at where you can make changes. Kara's links will take you to fitday that is a solid place to start or you can just make one here.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. I will try doing all of these repsonses. The other issue I have is with the food. I am really unsure of how much sugar is bad, colires, what I should be eating for Breakfast, lunch and tea etc. I really know NOTHING. A few tips would be GREAT!

Just like what I should be eating for breakfast, lunch dinner, snacks etc. Also while im in the process of losing my belly. Would it be better to stop doing the ab workouts untill I lose it or just keep doing it. I'll still continue weights etc. And should I take up jogging/running? If so how far?

Also let me know if I should be doing any other exercises. Thanks
 
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Again read the sticky posts. They'll give you most of the information you're looking for.

Without more information from you, we can't tell you how many calories you should eat, etc.
 
Ok my name is Dunae and I am currently 17 years old. For about 3 months now I have been wokring out. Mainly Ab exercoses 7 days a week and upper body workouts 5 days a week. My issue is that with the ab workouts I honestly havent seen any results. I eat healthy, so im eating fruits, veggies and all the good stuff but honestly I dont gain weight even if I eat unhealthy. Every day and night I do my Ab exercises which consist of the following (in order):

-In and Outs - 25 reps
-Bicycles - 25 reps
-Reverse Bicyces - 25 reps
-Crunchy Frog - 25 reps
-Cross Leg Sit Ups - 25 reps
-Fifer Scissors - 25 reps
-Hip Rock and Raise - 25 reps
-Pulse Ups - 25 reps
-V Up Roll Ups - 25 reps
-Oblique V Ups - 25 reps
-Leg Climbs - 25 reps
-Mason Twist - 40 reps

So I still pretty much have my beer belly still but my pecks are there and all. They arent flabby or anything. When I tense up my stomach/chest you can definetley feel the muscles but im just unsure if I keep doing the exercise to tighten my stomach or will I need to do some jogging ot somethig to lose it?

Thanks

I would suggest incorporate some cardio into your routine.

Like previously stated you can't just target one particular area to lose weight or shape up alone. You need a full body workout regimen. After doing your 'extreme ab workout', try running on the treadmill/outdoors (or my personal fave, the elliptical) for 20-30 minutes as well.

You need to burn the fat off your belly (and other areas, of course) with cardio, THEN tone up with strength training (including your ab workout).
 
You need to burn the fat off your belly (and other areas, of course) with cardio, THEN tone up with strength training
Actually, no. To get the best results, you do both at the same time. Combining cardio and strength / bodywork training is far more effective than doing all of one or all of the other. There is no reason to wait to do strength training.
 
Actually, no. To get the best results, you do both at the same time. Combining cardio and strength / bodywork training is far more effective than doing all of one or all of the other. There is no reason to wait to do strength training.

Oh, I never said anything about "waiting" to the strength training. The two can be done in the same workout. I was just suggesting do the cardio FIRST, not ONLY.

Also, it is suggested that you do more cardio (3-5x per week) than strength training (2-3x per weeks) for reasons I mentioned. Cardio is better for quickly burning away the fat, melting it away allow for muscle to 'bulge' through, for lack of better term, as I'm sure the creator of this post is going for with losing his beer belly. The fat needs to get out of the way FIRST before the muscles can show through or you end up looking "swole".

That's all I was saying...
 
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Also, it is suggested that you do more cardio (3-5x per week) than strength training (2-3x per weeks) for reasons I mentioned.
It is suggested by whom? :) Some magazine article?

Cardio is better for quickly burning away the fat,
How does it do that? :)

The fat needs to get out of the way FIRST before the muscles can show through or you end up looking "swole".
Definitely you need to get rid of the fat before the muscles will show (I'm not sure what "swole" is - I'm not familiar with the term), but diet is key to losing fat. Cardio is a nice little boost, but plenty of people have lost weight by managing their food and lifting weights and doing very little cardio.

I'm not saying it's my preferred way - I believe a combination of strength/bodyweight training and cardio is the best way. Favoring one over the other is like saying one vitamin is more important than the other. They all should work together ... each has a different purpose and each supports the other ...
 
It is suggested by whom? :) Some magazine article?

How does it do that? :)

Definitely you need to get rid of the fat before the muscles will show (I'm not sure what "swole" is - I'm not familiar with the term), but diet is key to losing fat. Cardio is a nice little boost, but plenty of people have lost weight by managing their food and lifting weights and doing very little cardio.

I'm not saying it's my preferred way - I believe a combination of strength/bodyweight training and cardio is the best way. Favoring one over the other is like saying one vitamin is more important than the other. They all should work together ... each has a different purpose and each supports the other ...



Okay, I'm favoring anything!

Just because I say one comes first doesn't mean it's more important, it's just first. Period!

And I didn't get anything from a magazine article as I don't read magazines. Google it if you don't believe me. And if you don't know that cardio is a quicker way of burning off fat/energy, then I don't know what to tell you.

Building muscle through strength training produces increased calorie burning (even when resting) in the long run, but the more immediate burning of calories (= weight loss) comes from cardio. I don't know where you're getting your information that's causing you to disagree, but that is what I have learned.

Sorry you beg to differ.

And of course you get the best results when doing them in conjunction, hence why I suggested to the creator of this post to do cardio IN ADDITION to his ab workout. I don't understand why you're thinking I'm favoring one over the other.
 
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And I didn't get anything from a magazine article as I don't read magazines. Google it if you don't believe me.
Again, can you please provide a legitimate and respected source?

And if you don't know that cardio is a quicker way of burning off fat/energy, then I don't know what to tell you.
Can you provide a source for this or should I believe you just because you say so?

Building muscle through strength training produces increased calorie burning (even when resting) in the long run, but the more immediate burning of calories (= weight loss) comes from cardio.
According to whom? What sources have you learned this from.

Sorry you beg to differ.
I don't "beg to differ". I would like for you to provide some reliable sources for things that you are posting as fact.

hence why I suggested to the creator of this post to do cardio IN ADDITION to his ab workout. I don't understand why you're thinking I'm favoring one over the other.
Because what you said was not that he do it "in addition". You said ... and I quote: You need to burn the fat off your belly (and other areas, of course) with cardio, THEN tone up with strength training
 
Again, can you please provide a legitimate and respected source?

Can you provide a source for this or should I believe you just because you say so?

According to whom? What sources have you learned this from.

I don't "beg to differ". I would like for you to provide some reliable sources for things that you are posting as fact.

Because what you said was not that he do it "in addition". You said ... and I quote: You need to burn the fat off your belly (and other areas, of course) with cardio, THEN tone up with strength training

Ok I still don't see how you're not interpreting what I said as being the same as "in addition to". Doing one thing first then another thing next is doing the second thing in addition to the first. Was I not specific enough for you?? Again I never said or implied one is more important than the other.

And here are some links that you can go read for yourself...

Cardio vs. Weights: The Battle Is Over - washingtonpost.com
Pay attention to where it says: "Ideally, you want a combination of moderate to vigorous aerobic exercise and moderate-intensity strength training. But if vigorous aerobic exercise and vigorous weight training went head-to-head for calories burned, vigorous aerobic exercise would win."
And notice a couple more paragraphs down how it suggests you do more aerobic exercises then strength training.


http://http://exercise.about.com/cs/weightloss/a/cardiowtloss.htm
But, the cornerstone of most weight loss programs is cardio, cardio, cardio. Just some of the reasons it's important are:

* It helps you burn more calories in one sitting. Getting your heart rate up means your blood is pumping, you're breathing hard, you're sweating and burning calories.
* With many cardio exercises, you can burn 100 to 500 calories depending on how hard you work, how long you exercise and how much you weigh.
* Burning calories with exercise means you don't have to cut as many calories from your diet.
* You can do cardio exercise most days of the week without worrying about injury or overtraining.


http://http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/strength_train_fat_loss.htm
You can read here to see where it says that strength training is better for long-term calorie burning.

And there's plenty more that say the same things as those^^ but those sources look copied and pasted from other sources.

Two more...

http://http://weight-loss-methods.suite101.com/article.cfm/strength_training_for_weight_loss
More specifically where it says: Weight Training versus Cardio Exercise for Weight Loss


http://http://www.ehow.com/how_4470002_both-strength-training-cardio-routine.html
Pay attention to #5.

And you can say that they are illegitimate sources if you want, but if multiple sources are saying the same thing, even if it's not their own words, they got their information from somewhere. Good luck trying to refute that if you want.

But to end all confusion, and hopefully end my coming back to this post to speak on this subject, let me clarify... The creator of this post was explaining his troubles of not losing his belly (a protrusion of fat) even with extensive strength training in ab exercises. I offered him a simple solution--add cardio to the mix. Personally, I suggested cardio then strength training because that is what I do in my own regimen. But it was a SUGGESTION. Not a declaration, not an implication that cardio is somehow "better" than strength training, but it would better facilitate him in reaching his weight loss goals. Because as you can see, and as you stated as well, BOTH are required for results the maximum. That's way I gave him the suggestion in the first place--because cardio and strength training serve different purposes; cardio for the short-term massive calorie burn, and strength training for the long-term sustained calorie burn. I was only suggesting that he do BOTH, not one or the other.

Understand?
 
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I am truly baffled.

Above you said:
And if you don't know that cardio is a quicker way of burning off fat/energy, then I don't know what to tell you.

Then you provided to link to a whole bunch of sources that talk about how cardio helps burn calories for the short term, but weight training to help maintain muscle is what skews weight loss towards higher fat burning and maintenance of lean muscle.

It appears to me that you're not exactly clear on what it is that you're reading.

Cardio does not burn THAT many calories in the long run. Most people of average weight will burn about 500-600 calories in an hour of cardio. That's really not all that much.

And keep in mind that burning calories does NOT equate to burning fat. Burning calories can lead to weight loss if the number of calories burned put the person in a calorie deficit. But being in a calorie deficit means losing fat and muscle, NOT maximizing fat loss.

And, if someone is eating enough that the cardio they're doing does't put them in a calorie deficit, then they're not going to lose weight - fat or muscle.

To skew the body towards burning more fat, one needs to make sure to work the muscles and consume sufficient protein (that's the simplistic version). Maintaining muscle has a twofold benefit to someone who wants to lose weight - it means that you burn more fat, and it means that your metabolism stays higher because you won't be losing metabolically active lean mass.
 
I am truly baffled.

Above you said:

Then you provided to link to a whole bunch of sources that talk about how cardio helps burn calories for the short term, but weight training to help maintain muscle is what skews weight loss towards higher fat burning and maintenance of lean muscle.

It appears to me that you're not exactly clear on what it is that you're reading.

Cardio does not burn THAT many calories in the long run. Most people of average weight will burn about 500-600 calories in an hour of cardio. That's really not all that much.

And keep in mind that burning calories does NOT equate to burning fat. Burning calories can lead to weight loss if the number of calories burned put the person in a calorie deficit. But being in a calorie deficit means losing fat and muscle, NOT maximizing fat loss.

And, if someone is eating enough that the cardio they're doing does't put them in a calorie deficit, then they're not going to lose weight - fat or muscle.

To skew the body towards burning more fat, one needs to make sure to work the muscles and consume sufficient protein (that's the simplistic version). Maintaining muscle has a twofold benefit to someone who wants to lose weight - it means that you burn more fat, and it means that your metabolism stays higher because you won't be losing metabolically active lean mass.

Okay then explain why this dude who posted this isn't losing his belly. Since you got all the answers, explain that. He's doing the strength training that apparently you believe is the ONLY thing you need to lose weight (I thought you were smarter than that), but not getting the results he's looking for. EXPLAIN THAT TO ME and HIM!

And I said STRENGTH TRAINING BURNS MORE CALORIES IN THE LONG TERM...NOT CARDIO. Stop twisting my words and read what I'm writing cuz it's looking like we're saying the same thing. But you're saying it a way that's just irritating, and you're starting to not make sense. You didn't even read what was wrote in the links i sent you, so you're choosing to be ignorant. That's fine then, be that.

And when doing cardio exercises the calories you burn come mainly from fat, hence the weight loss. Couple that with strength training which develops muscle in place of that fat, and you're able to keep the weight off. Cardio takes it off, strength training keeps it off. I don't how else I can say it, but it feels like I'm seriously talking to a brick wall.

And I KNOW if you eat more than you burn off you won't lose weight...that's not even the topic. Who's talking about eating here? Is this just your way of trying to prove your point?

You're not getting it...at all. I'm done talking. Believe what you want. I know what I know.


All I gotta say is to eXiilez, good luck to you and your weight loss endeavors.
 
Okay then explain why this dude who posted this isn't losing his belly. Since you got all the answers, explain that. He's doing the strength training that apparently you believe is the ONLY thing you need to lose weight (I thought you were smarter than that), but not getting the results he's looking for. EXPLAIN THAT TO ME and HIM!

Most likely? He is eating either more calories than he is taking in, or he is pretty close to even.

Also, no one has even suggested that strength training is what you need to lose weight.


And when doing cardio exercises the calories you burn come mainly from fat, hence the weight loss.

I have to question that. If that was the case, then you shouldn't even need to do muscle training to lose weight.

PS, don't make snide insults, especially to a mod.
 
Oh good grief. :)

First of all, step back from the hyperbole and the emotion. Typing in all caps and making snide comments about how someone knows everything and/or you thought they were smarter than that is just silly. Do you actually want to have a discussion, and maybe learn something, or do you just want to yell as loud as you can in hopes of making someone believe you that way?
e's doing the strength training that apparently you believe is the ONLY thing you need to lose weight
This kind of twisting of what is written is part of the problem why you don't understand. If you read back through what I wrote, I never said that weight lifting was the only way to lose weight. In fact, what I have said since the beginning is that DIET is the key to losing weight. You can exercise until you're blue in the face, but if you're not eating right, you're not gonna lose.

(Please note that throughout what I write, I don't use the word "diet" as in "go on a", to mean a restrictive way of eating or a reduced calorie plan necessarily. I mean "diet" in the holistic sense of what you eat - how much, how balanced it is, what your macros are, how many calories you eat over all.)

Now if you're going to exercise, you're better off doing some kind of strength training to maintain muscle (along with a proper diet - again in the sense of "what you eat" and not in the sense of "go on a") and filling in around that with cardio as you can. Cardio should be secondary to proper diet/nutrition and overall strength training if you're looking for defined abs/muscles.

kay then explain why this dude who posted this isn't losing his belly EXPLAIN THAT TO ME and HIM!.
Since you ask so nicely ... :rolleyes:

The "dude who posted" said this: For about 3 months now I have been wokring out. Mainly Ab exercoses 7 days a week and upper body workouts 5 days a week. My issue is that with the ab workouts I honestly havent seen any results. I eat healthy, so im eating fruits, veggies and all the good stuff

So I still pretty much have my beer belly still but my pecks are there and all. They arent flabby or anything. When I tense up my stomach/chest you can definetley feel the muscles but im just unsure if I keep doing the exercise to tighten my stomach or will I need to do some jogging ot somethig to lose it?


My response to that from the beginning ... and my continued response .. and my answer to why he isn't seeing results is this:

(a) Diet is key. He says he's "eating healthy" but without knowing what he's eating and how much, it's hard to say. I've seen plenty of people say they're being healthy (hell, I used to think I ate healthy - and I did for the most part; I just ate too much healthy food). But when push comes to shove, they're eating too much and not the right kinds of foods to get the physical results they want. In order to lose fat, he's going to need to really focus on his diet - what he eats, how much he eats, how much protein he's getting, where his carbs are coming from. Fruit and nuts are great - but that's high sugar and high fat - so it's possible that despite the amount of exercising he's doing, he's still consuming too many calories to lose fat.

(b) His workout seems to be focusing on visible muscles, which is a common mistake. People tend to work the muscles they can see, and ignore the deeper, larger, supporting muscles and the "hidden" muscles - which means they get surface "tone", but they don't actually build strength and maintain a lot of lean mass. Working with someone (or doing more reading) to develop a balanced, full body plan and combine it with reasonable amounts of cardio (when combined with proper eating) will probably produce results pretty quickly. I'd suggest starting with Steve's thread in the exercise area titled "The Conceptual Side of Weight Lifting" (http://weight-loss.fitness.com/weig...ise/32836-conceptual-side-weight-lifting.html). Adding some full body work that builds the inner core would probably really help to speed up results.

(c) Belly fat is the hardest for a lot of people to lose. It tends to be the first place people gain fat and the last place they lose fat. When you're already a healthy weight/BMI and are wanting to lose that bit of belly fat padding, what you eat is CRUCIAL to success.

(d) Managing expectation: People get in an "instant results" mindset and don't realize that this is a process. We've become a society that expects things to happen NOW - if we don't lose 10lb in a week, we think we've failed. If we don't get out of college and make $100k a year, we think we've failed. Etc. Our bodies are not instant responders, no matter what shows like The Biggest Loser may make people think. It often takes your body a couple of weeks to adapt to the changes you're making ... especially when those changes are small to begin with. Besides that, he is seeing some results, since he said he can tense his muscles and feel the development and strength. So it's not that he's not seeing results, it's that he's not getting the kind of results he wants becuase he's not tailoring his eating and exercise to those results.

And when doing cardio exercises the calories you burn come mainly from fat,
No, I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Calories are calories - they are a form of energy. They are not physically represented in fat or other tissue, so they don't "come from fat" or "come from muscle". Being in a calories deficit forces your body to use reserved stores of energy. How your body pulls those stores of energy depends on a great many factors.

Couple that with strength training which develops muscle in place of that fat,
That is also incorrect. You don't develop muscle "in place of fat". Also it's extremely difficult (bordering on impossible) to build muscle while eating in a calorie deficit, especially if you're not consuming enough protein (which keys back to why diet is important).

Cardio takes it off, strength training keeps it off.
No, that's not true. Being in a calorie deficit will cause you to lose weight - fat and muscle and water. Exercise of all types can help with both taking weight off and keeping it off ... by helping to regulate calorie levels, to build muscle, and affect other things in your body, including hormone levels.

I don't how else I can say it, but it feels like I'm seriously talking to a brick wall.
Believe me, I feel the same way here. You have some knowledge, but you're not applying it properly. You're repeating a lot of the type of myths that are prominent in magazines and websites that sound good, but aren't really based on scientific fact.

And I KNOW if you eat more than you burn off you won't lose weight...that's not even the topic. Who's talking about eating here?
It's totally the topic, as I mentioned above - if the OP wants to know why he's not losing fat, then he needs to examine what he's eating. You pretty much demanded I tell you why he's not seeing results ... and my answer is that what you eat is important - in fact VITAL to the process. So, yes, I'm talking about eating here.

Seriously. Do some more reading. Hit Lyle McDonald's site, Matthew Perryman's site, Alan Aragon's site, and read anything written here by Steve. I think you'll find that a lot of what you believe is actually strongly based in internet diet myth (and a bit of what's called bro-science).
 
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And when doing cardio exercises the calories you burn come mainly from fat, hence the weight loss.

I think you mean mainly from your glycogen stores if it's intense cardio.

The overall fat loss just comes from being in a calorie deficit all the time. So you could be "burning fat" for calories all day long and even when you're sleeping.
 
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