So can i take the maximum of 2 protein shakes a day even if im not working out on that day ? And woa talk about weird the first time i had it was today and it gave me allmost like a sleepy tired rush it was strange. and yeah u take it before a workout and after one am i right ?
Good doseges of protein powder.
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I would not suggest taking that specific protein powder before a workout lasting 20=30 minutes at the absolute MOST.
IF you want to take it more then once take it directly after your workout, And before bed. Tully you may not even need a PWO but since you already payed almost a 100bucks right? So go ahead and enjoy.
IF you want to take it more then once take it directly after your workout, And before bed. Tully you may not even need a PWO but since you already payed almost a 100bucks right? So go ahead and enjoy.
why dont i need one ? and i should only take it once a day u reckon ? and whats a pwo ?
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I said MAY not need it. This is dependent on many factors actually.
directly following a workout is considered the "prime" time to supplement. You would only need one scoop and make sure not to place it in milk. The next best time to supplement with it would be before bed. This is the time when adding it to milk would be best. I'm asuming you drink milk of course.
PWO=Post workout (in most cases referring to a "PWO protein shake/supplement.
I agree: I'd like to know your reasoning, Silent...there have been a number of studies that indicate improved protein synthesis, such as this one:
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 Apr;38(4):667-74.
Milk ingestion stimulates net muscle protein synthesis following resistance exercise.
Elliot TA, Cree MG, Sanford AP, Wolfe RR, Tipton KD.
Metabolism Unit, Shriners Hospitals for Children and Department of Surgery, The University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston, TX, USA.
PURPOSE: Previous studies have examined the response of muscle protein to resistance exercise and nutrient ingestion. Net muscle protein synthesis results from the combination of resistance exercise and amino acid intake. No study has examined the response of muscle protein to ingestion of protein in the context of a food. This study was designed to determine the response of net muscle protein balance following resistance exercise to ingestion of nutrients as components of milk. METHOD: Three groups of volunteers ingested one of three milk drinks each: 237 g of fat-free milk (FM), 237 g of whole milk (WM), and 393 g of fat-free milk isocaloric with the WM (IM). Milk was ingested 1 h following a leg resistance exercise routine. Net muscle protein balance was determined by measuring amino acid balance across the leg. RESULTS: Arterial concentrations of representative amino acids increased in response to milk ingestion. Threonine balance and phenylalanine balance were both > 0 following milk ingestion. Net amino acid uptake for threonine was 2.8-fold greater (P < 0.05) for WM than for FM. Mean uptake of phenylalanine was 80 and 85% greater for WM and IM, respectively, than for FM, but not statistically different. Threonine uptake relative to ingested was significantly (P < 0.05) higher for WM (21 +/- 6%) than FM (11 +/- 5%), but not IM (12 +/- 3%). Mean phenylalanine uptake/ingested also was greatest for WM, but not significantly. CONCLUSIONS: Ingestion of milk following resistance exercise results in phenylalanine and threonine uptake, representative of net muscle protein synthesis. These results suggest that whole milk may have increased utilization of available amino acids for protein synthesis.
doesent milk have protein in it ??? mayby its the form of protein it is like slow releasing or fast releasing ??? and that messes around with the protein in the powder ??? not sure tho but thats all i can think of
That wouldn't happen chemically.
yeah ill take your word for it because i dont know **** 
Isn't that the study thats been floating around the web which was funded by the dairy industry?
Simple, Milk in a large % of the population causes digestion problems that are in some cases unnoticeable in the consumer. These digestion problem could in theory interfere with the proteins absorption. As well the fat content alone in non skim milk could in fact "slow" the digestion of the protein as well as the digestion problems them selfs many people experience might slow the digestion thus utilization of the protein.
Simple, Milk in a large % of the population causes digestion problems that are in some cases unnoticeable in the consumer. These digestion problem could in theory interfere with the proteins absorption. As well the fat content alone in non skim milk could in fact "slow" the digestion of the protein as well as the digestion problems them selfs many people experience might slow the digestion thus utilization of the protein.
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I don't believe so, but even if it is, all studies are funded from somewhere...there are checks and balances so that there are no conflicts of interest from study investigators...also, there are many such studies, this has been the most recent.
In one cup of milk, the small amount of dietary fat would have little/no affect on absorption. Plus, this becomes somewhat of a moot point once 24-hour intake and pre-workout consumption is considered. You make a good point, of course, about digestion, but this would then apply those individuals, and not the general population. By most experts, milk is considered to be an excellent PWO choice.
What Silent said seems to apply to me, adding milk to protein shakes leaves me feeling slightly ill and sluggish but of course everyone's different and it might not be a problem for some.
I tried looking around the web to see if calcium had any kind of negative effect on protein absorbtion but the only useful article I could find was this research project on the effect the two have on bone density. Not quite what you were after but a very good read;
I tried looking around the web to see if calcium had any kind of negative effect on protein absorbtion but the only useful article I could find was this research project on the effect the two have on bone density. Not quite what you were after but a very good read;
I disagree, When the scope is not America alone. It would apply to the general population. And as I said before many people do not know they can not properly digest milk. I believe the actual number in America alone who can not properly digest milk to be much higher then it is thought to be.
Here are a few exerts to back up my claim...
according to Harvard, 90 percent of Asians, 70 percent of blacks and Native Americans, and 50 percent of Hispanics are lactose-intolerant.
Overall, about 75 percent of the world's population, including 25 percent of those in the U.S., lose their lactase enzymes after weaning.
Hertzler SR, Huynh BCL, Savaiano DA. How much lactose is low lactose? J Am Dietetic Asso 1996;96:243-6.
. Approximately 70 percent of African Americans, 90 percent of Asian Americans, 53 percent of Mexican Americans, and 74 percent of Native Americans were lactose intolerant.
1. Cuatrecasas P, Lockwood DH, Caldwell JR. Lactase deficiency in the adult: a common occurrence. Lancet 1965;1:14-8.
2. Huang SS, Bayless TM. Milk and lactose intolerance in healthy Orientals. Science 1968;160:83-4.
3. Woteki CE, Weser E, Young EA. Lactose malabsorption in Mexican-American adults. Am J Clin Nutr 1977;30:470-5.
4. Newcomer AD, Gordon H, Thomas PJ, McGill DG. Family studies of lactase deficiency in the American Indian. Gastroenterology 1977;73:985-8.
Studies showed that a substantial reduction in lactase activity is also common among those whose ancestry is African, Asian, Native American, Arab, Jewish, Hispanic, Italian, or Greek.
Mishkin S. Dairy sensitivity, lactose malabsorption, and elimination diets in inflammatory bowel disease. Am J Clin Nutr 1997;65:564-7.
Ok, then use lactaid. Problem solved.
However, an individual's tolerance or lack of tolerance to a resource does not make that resource a poor choice overall, just a poor choice to that individual. I hate Tuna fish; however, it's still an excellent source of protein. Just because I don't like it (and get fairly sick from smelling it) doesn't make it something that i wouldn't recommend for a viable protein source (mercury level issues notwithstanding). Whey shakes are basically powdered milk proteins, seperated from the sugars and casein, and filtered. Milk is a high GI source (if that makes a difference), and an excellent source of protein, making it tailor-made for PWO nutrition. It is rich in Ca++, a major component of bones and muscle physiology, as well as being linked to weight loss, and milk is a natural source of CLA, also linked to weight loss. Again, without a specific digestive issue that makes drinking milk difficult (which occurs in the small intestines, away from stomach upset, and again, is solved by choosing lactaid milk), there is no reason to make the blanket statement that no one should choose milk PWO.
I see your points, Silent, but you're jumping to conclusions based on one concept alone. You need to weigh out all of the important details. Your argument is pointless to someone without these considerations, and choosing lactaid milk makes it pointless to everyone else, no matter how many people may or may not be lactose intollerant.
However, an individual's tolerance or lack of tolerance to a resource does not make that resource a poor choice overall, just a poor choice to that individual. I hate Tuna fish; however, it's still an excellent source of protein. Just because I don't like it (and get fairly sick from smelling it) doesn't make it something that i wouldn't recommend for a viable protein source (mercury level issues notwithstanding). Whey shakes are basically powdered milk proteins, seperated from the sugars and casein, and filtered. Milk is a high GI source (if that makes a difference), and an excellent source of protein, making it tailor-made for PWO nutrition. It is rich in Ca++, a major component of bones and muscle physiology, as well as being linked to weight loss, and milk is a natural source of CLA, also linked to weight loss. Again, without a specific digestive issue that makes drinking milk difficult (which occurs in the small intestines, away from stomach upset, and again, is solved by choosing lactaid milk), there is no reason to make the blanket statement that no one should choose milk PWO.
I see your points, Silent, but you're jumping to conclusions based on one concept alone. You need to weigh out all of the important details. Your argument is pointless to someone without these considerations, and choosing lactaid milk makes it pointless to everyone else, no matter how many people may or may not be lactose intollerant.
I agree with Jonathon here.
If you have a problem with the digestion of milk.... that is one thing.
If not, go for it.
If you have a problem with the digestion of milk.... that is one thing.
If not, go for it.
Ehh So do I guess.
Though just a couple of things.
The connection between milk and weight loss has been cut. Hence why the milk industry has been banned from displaying ads that mention anything in regards to weight loss in conjunction with the consumption of milk.
Secondly, CLA is WAY over hyped.
Definitely way over-hyped, but not without merit; however, using it in supplemental form is fairly pointless, I agree. I'm not too sure about that article that you linked: I'd be suspicious of articles written by chemical companies that sell supplements, IMO.
hmmm so whats the conclusion ? i can drink it with milk ?
Silent, I'm confused about your statement of not taking the protein before the workout. Time of breakdown considered, protein essentially takes ~4 hours to finish breaking down. If we're consuming the protein Pre-WO because we do not have a viable food source available several hours Pre-WO, then the protein is essentialy breaking down as we're working slowly releasing.
It's not like we take the protein in and the body suddenly has 20-60 grams of protein to repair itself with.
It's not like we take the protein in and the body suddenly has 20-60 grams of protein to repair itself with.