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[Karky]

Tanizaki, you obviously havent read my posts, so please do. I previously said all communist countries have been bad, so you can say their leaders, and some of the people high up in the system were bad, not communism itself.
Communism does not encourage killing, which nazism does. Which is why nazism is evil and communism isent. Communism is just another political ideology. You see, in the communis countries, their leaders killed and were awful, like Stalin and Lenin, just to take two obvious examples. But they did not do horrible things because the communist ideology said so. In Nazism, the idea itself is to exterminate other "races"

Norway, in general, is a inoffensive and inconsequential country that I cannot be bothered to learn about. Don't feel too bad about that, though. I have the same attitude about Canada.

Trying to offend me by attacking my country? You just show yourself as really unknowledgable, and arrogant, like alot of americans are (no offence anyone, exept for Tanizaki, ofcource). If you had bothered to learn anything about Norway, i think you would soon find out that we have been and are important enough, we dont wage war on everything that breathes, and i think that makes us more important. Id like very much to see what would happen to economy in alot of places if Norway dident deliver the oil we have, and in general, spread the wealth.
Whats bad with being inoffencive? Is war the sole purpouse of humanity?
And since you dont bother learning about things your own intuition says are not worth it, no wonder your knowledge and intelligence is so low. Why not try to find reasons for why something is of no importance before you say it is?


And taxes in norway are freakin high. maybe 25-30% or something like that.
though, we get alot of things for free, we dont pay much to go to the doctor, schools are free or cheap, if you get seriously ill, nobody asks for any insurance. And here, though we are not communists, everyone getts those advantages, not just a selected few like Georgen said about communist systems. I dont know if it would be like that in a "perfect" communist country either. So everyone has to pay so that the not so fortunate can manage.

And by the way, i know the quote was taken out of context because it was a quote, all quotes are taking out of context, simply because it was like one or two paragraphs, the context is what is around the one or two paragraphs in the quote.

 

[Tanizaki]

I found this pretty insulting, the kind of arguement I'd expect from a passive-aggresive teenager than a legal proffessional

I don't see how it is insulting to ask you to read a work before you offer your comment regarding it.

You also said
Norway, in general, is a inoffensive and inconsequential country that I cannot be bothered to learn about. Don't feel too bad about that, though. I have the same attitude about Canada.

That's pretty insulting too

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I don't see how it is insulting to anyone to say that a country is inoffensive and inconsequential. It is certainly no worse than the blanket proposal in your sig that most of the people reading your posts are probably losers.

You keep saying "Out of context!", but you have yet to provide the context, despite my repeated requests.

 

[Tanizaki]

Tanizaki, you obviously havent read my posts, so please do. I previously said all communist countries have been bad, so you can say their leaders, and some of the people high up in the system were bad, not communism itself.

In that case, I will proclaim that Nazism wasn't bad, just its leaders. Isn't it remarkable that every communist leader ever has been murderous and oppressive? Wow.

Communism does not encourage killing, which nazism does. Which is why nazism is evil and communism isent. Communism is just another political ideology. You see, in the communis countries, their leaders killed and were awful, like Stalin and Lenin, just to take two obvious examples. But they did not do horrible things because the communist ideology said so. In Nazism, the idea itself is to exterminate other "races"

Really? Nazism encourages killing and exterminating other races? I think you are just taking that from all the bad Nazi leaders.

I wonder what you think of dekulakization. Was that just a fluke?

Trying to offend me by attacking my country? You just show yourself as really unknowledgable, and arrogant, like alot of americans are (no offence anyone, exept for Tanizaki, ofcource). If you had bothered to learn anything about Norway, i think you would soon find out that we have been and are important enough, we dont wage war on everything that breathes, and i think that makes us more important. Id like very much to see what would happen to economy in alot of places if Norway dident deliver the oil we have, and in general, spread the wealth.

I didn't insult it. I said it was inoffensive and inconsequential. There is nothing wrong with either of these things.

Whats bad with being inoffencive?

Nothing, which is why I wonder why you call it an insult.

Is war the sole purpouse of humanity?
And since you dont bother learning about things your own intuition says are not worth it, no wonder your knowledge and intelligence is so low. Why not try to find reasons for why something is of no importance before you say it is?

This part was incoherent.

And by the way, i know the quote was taken out of context because it was a quote, all quotes are taking out of context, simply because it was like one or two paragraphs, the context is what is around the one or two paragraphs in the quote.

It is a tautology to say that all quotes are out of context, and a hamhanded attempt to dodge the fact that you have yet to provide the context.

 

[Tanizaki]

Marx wanted the supression of all religion because it seperated people from society and made them form their own groups. He never spoke of killing anyone. Because of the social climate at the time the Jewish were used to illustrate his point that a small group of people controled a lot of money and they kept it within that group because of a religion. Many founders of the Soviet Union were Jewish and you'll also find many anti-semitic groups blaming jews for the formation of communism because of this (that's a load of BS though IMO). Jewish people lived in Russia for the duration of communism and never suffered physical harm although they were of course banned from being outwardly religious in public, this did of course affect all religions and was worse under Stalin than anyone else. Communism is oppressive in nature; almost by definition, it didn't just affect Jews, people were forced into being part of a community when many would have loved to have a property portofolio, a 4x4 and the occasional McDonalds.

In America, this is called "talking out one's ass". Maybe you folks call it the "arse". While the USSR proclaimed itself against anti-Semitism, it had no problems signing a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany, engaging in purges, oppressing Jewish intellectuals, and opposing Zionism. Can you guess what a Soviet Jew who sought to emigrate to Israel was told?

People like Marx thought that these sacrifices are the only way to make everyone equal, equally oppressed maybe but still equal. Our society has more freedom but we also have a large number of people without any money or even homeless because others hord wealth.

Marx did not believe in sacrifice. Read some of his essays to learn about how those who resist must be forcibly "transformed". People who are penniless and homeless are not poor because there is not enough money to go around. It is because they do not engage in economic activity to produce wealth. You live in a fiat economy and therefore cannot say that one person is poor because another person has too much money.

The question is do you think equality is worth the sacrific of a large amount of freedom? My opinion is no but I respect the opinions of the people who think it is

I don't. Not all opinions are equally valid.

You can call that oppression but it in no way compares to the type of oppression he is being accused of by Tanizaki

I think I did a fine job of showing how uninformed your opinion is.

 

[deschain]

On the subject of hoarding wealth...

Why is that so bad? It's their money.

*Either they earned it, or someone in their family earned it (and they inherited it) - either way, where in the world does anyone have the right to say that they have to give it to anyone else?

*Many wealthy people give lots and lots of money to charity. Sure, it's a tax write off, and sure, it's chump change in comparison to what they keep. All in all, though, it still ends up being a lot of money donated, regardless of what their motivations were.


People are not perfect, therefore any gov't system could never be perfect.
People are also not equal, never will be, therefore any society could never be truly equal, and there cannot be a political ideology that can change that. An equal, classless society is not humanly possible.

 

[Karky]

in the nazy idea the thought of exterminating other races exists, no such thing is found in communism. Try to prove that wrong. Its not just the nazi leaders, what the nazi leaders did was supported by the nazi idea. What the communist leaders did was not supported by the communist idea.

 

[theleip]

Wow, Nazi's are not a political or economical party. They were an ideology formed under a dictatorship. That is not the same thing as communism.

I would really love to see you fight that.

Marx was a Jew, worked with many Jews and in no way wanted to rid the world of people, just "suffocating religions". Now is removing a religion possible in a peaceful way, no. Was Marx living in a Utopian society in his mind, of course. The man also loved to just talk and was a funny man at that. His nature was often misunderstood, perhaps because you had to had some base of intelligence to get his work, hmm maybe that is most peoples problem.

 

[NooneKnows07]

the idea of communism is a great IDEA..somewhat..not for humans tho. but back onto the bush show i love little cheney on that show he hilarious haha

 

[Tanizaki]

Wow, Nazi's are not a political or economical party. They were an ideology formed under a dictatorship. That is not the same thing as communism.

Nevermind that all communist states have been dictatorships. The ideology preceded the Third Reich. I guess someone has never heard of the Beer Hall Putsch or Mein Kampf. The Nazi Party was founded just after WWI, during the Weimar REPUBLIC. (emphasis added, as it is apparently needed)

I would really love to see you fight that.

See who fight what?

Marx was a Jew, worked with many Jews and in no way wanted to rid the world of people, just "suffocating religions".

This is an ad hominem argument. Namely, it falsely claims that since Marx was of Jewish descent, he could not have possibly been anti-Semitic. (Marx himself was baptized a Christian). The fact remains that Marx repeatedly attacked Jews in his writing. If you read some of his letters, you will read him using charming phrases such as "Jewish nigger".

Now is removing a religion possible in a peaceful way, no. Was Marx living in a Utopian society in his mind, of course. The man also loved to just talk and was a funny man at that. His nature was often misunderstood, perhaps because you had to had some base of intelligence to get his work, hmm maybe that is most peoples problem.

He was not charming or funny. In fact, the accounts tell us that he could not stand to be in the company of people and was rather misanthropic. He did not imagine a utopia, but an oppressive regime, as I have already described.

But, perhaps I don't have a sufficient base of intelligence. Please, tell me all about the utopia he was dreaming when he talked about "Jewish nigger".