Fitness: ''Being able to comfortably meet the demands of the environment''

Not gym machines!!
Whats the point of getting ''fit'' on gym machines when what is stated in the title of this thread is the true meaning of fitness. Oh and weight machines are extremely pointless since they lmit what you can do, you may as well stick to free weights. If you want to get fit go outside and run up hills and along tracks instead of going to a nice warm pointless gym. Its just a status thing to make you look ''good'' so you can say ''ohe yeh i go to the gym im well fit''.
 
do you see even half of the people in the gym that can use the whole weight on the gym machines? No , so its not pointless. treadmills . you can use whenever you want if you dont feeel like going outside depending on the weather.
 
Yeah but whats the point? What's so good about being able to lift lots of heavy weights? It will just bulk you and make you physically struggle at other types of fitness i.e running and weight training where you're dealing with your own body weight. It wont get you ''fit'' just strong. Also if you can give me a good reason as to why its better to go running or walking on a treadmill than to go outside then yes ok I would accept it. Ive trained with lots of people, especially ones who are looking to go into the armed forces or take up a career as an athlete. They spent there whole time training in a gym because they thought it was the best way, but as soon as they started to train outside or begin their careers they struggled heavily. Also if you reeeeaaaallly want to get fit why spend expensive gym fees when you got the outside, the ''comfort'' of your own home and also the local swimming pool which is far cheaper.
 
You want a good reason why its better to go running on a treadmill rather than out on the streets. I can give you 3.

1. Outside temperature (extreme hot or extreme cold. You ever ran in sub zero temperatures)

2. Saftey issues. There are just some places you don't go out and run unless you want to be jumped/mugged/shot. Driving to a gym is a bit safer.

3. Heres the big one ..... are you ready for it ..... PERSONAL PREFERENCE! If somebody wants to run on a treadmill and it gets them moving, more power to em. That means they're exercising.

You wanna know why I go to the gym instead of working out in the "comfort" of my own home? I can't, I have a wife and 2 kids. I have tried it, I get halfway into a routine and its "Honey, will you go to the store for me?" If I say no, then I deal with her attitude all day. Or its "Daddy, what are you doing? Will you play playstation with me?" If you tell your kids no, then they're dissapointed, I try very hard not to dissapoint my kids.

People have their reasons. Exercise is exercise, if they do it in a gym, then its worth the money.
 
Slig said:
Yeah but whats the point? What's so good about being able to lift lots of heavy weights? It will just bulk you and make you physically struggle at other types of fitness i.e running and weight training where you're dealing with your own body weight. It wont get you ''fit'' just strong.

i dont even know where to begin... actually traning your legs with weight which is more than your body weight makes it EASIER to run! and if you do explosion exercises with WEIGHTS you can increase your 40 time, your vertical, and your mile time!!

BEING ABLE TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE ENVIRONMENT?!? we live in the 21st century. there are no demands of the environment! you're never required to run from a predator, or hunt for your food.

And some people actually see their body as art, so they wish to sculpt it into what they want it to look like. so weights are required to build muscle mass that could not be obtained from running, or swimming (those are great exercises but do not deliver the results some people wish to achieve)

I think that you're unfair to criticize an entire group of people (gym goers & by the way that's called being prejudice) without even taking into consideration the many aspects of working out in a gym.
 
OK then you lot tell me why you want to get ''fit''.
Oh and by the way read it in the books Fitness- ''being able to meet the demands of the environment''- not running away from ****ing predator or whatever you said so dont twist it. Doing fitness in a gym limits and restricts your body to only being able to develop to using those machines. Ok you go outside and apply your fitness, I bet you'd struggle since your body wouldnt be able to hack the temperature changes since you would have done it in a nice warm gym and wouldnt be able to get you up the hills and across other terrains since you done it on a treadmill. I dont know what this obsession is with doing weights on machines, theres no need for it, if you want to LOOK hard (which is what the common reason is for doing it) then just do free weights. Your wasting your money going to a gym when you got alternatives.

The gym has control over your body's physical condition, you can only ever reach the machines full potential not your full potential.

The gym may make you physically stronger to a certain extent but mentally weakens you!
 
Well, 1st off Not everyone has a set of free weights in their home, or room for them #1. next not everyone likes running outside because of cold, or rain, or people or whatever the reason. Also who are you to tell anyone that they are wrong because they dont see things from your point of view? People lift for their own personal reasons. LIVE WITH IT! not everyone wants to be a marathon runner, and not everyone wants to be able to deadlift 900lb. Everyone has their own specific goals and maybe they only want to shapen up their weak points. Everyones genetics are different. some people naturally are in better shape than others in certain areas. Also have you ever gone to a gym? you know they do have free weights there. and whos to say that people dont run outside then stop at the gym to lift some free weights. Hey were not all going to the army. we dont all want to do endurance training. I dont need or want to run 30 miles. if you want to great, good for you. I for one dont have a strong back. its not very hard for me to throw my back out so hey I get on a machine and work specificly the weak point. creating a barrier from injury. Gyms arent full of the same machine. they have something to target just about every muscle. to some people the small price to go the gym is well worth it compared to spending that $5 on a pack of cigarettes or something like that. you know there are alternatives to everything in life. do you drive a car to work? cuz man why would you waste your money when you can just run. Do you get my point?
 
You want to know my goals? I want to excel at martial arts. I also want to give the kids I officiate for the best game I can when Im out on the field. Im meeting the demands of MY environment, the environment that I CHOOSE to put myself in. Who are you to come in here and tell US how WE need to be exercising. You claim that fitness is "being able to meet the demands of the environment". I consider fitness to be "being able to see my kids grow up and play with them when Im 40 instead of being couch ridden and not being able to move all that well". You have no right to come here and judge anybody on their workout methods. We don't do that here. We provide support and advice for people to reach THEIR goals, not to preach at them how they should do it.

Oh and btw, I don't use machines in the gym. I use free weights.

You don't have to agree with the way we work out but because it doesn't fit in your definition of fitness, don't tell us were wrong. I guarantee you, your in the minority on your thinking.
 
Slig, I'm not sure what you're ranting about. You gripe about gyms, then machines, then working out in gyms, then you say use free weights but then...

There are certain reasons why using machines is fine. I think you'll see many a strongman competitor using both the gym and their event training for training purposes and without a fact, those guys are extremely strong.

You seem to imply that we should be training as if WW3 is coming and nuclear fall out is going to happen and we'll be forced to survive in some wilderness situation.
 
evolution said:
Slig, I'm not sure what you're ranting about. You gripe about gyms, then machines, then working out in gyms, then you say use free weights but then...

There are certain reasons why using machines is fine. I think you'll see many a strongman competitor using both the gym and their event training for training purposes and without a fact, those guys are extremely strong.

You seem to imply that we should be training as if WW3 is coming and nuclear fall out is going to happen and we'll be forced to survive in some wilderness situation.

Amen brutha!
 
aevans410 said:
I guarantee you, your in the minority on your thinking.

I know, it's a shame to.
75% of people who sign up for a gym within 6 months would have quit their membership, what a total waste of time, money and pointless effort.
 
evolution said:
You seem to imply that we should be training as if WW3 is coming and nuclear fall out is going to happen and we'll be forced to survive in some wilderness situation.

Not quite mate, but I know ill have the better chances of surviving IF something like that was to happen.
 
Alright guys, seriously WW3 is going to be the end of the world anyways no matter how "fit" you are. if you really want to "adapt" well you might as well get fat and sit around computers all day long and build robots to do everything for you. You cant outrun a bomb. and you sure as hell cant fight one either. there is no dodging it, cant do a backflip over it. your in some major trouble there. We arent going to have a war of Ninjas either. nor a boxing match. my guess is we will be toting m16's and grenades. which by all means no amount of fitness gives you a better chance at dodging a bullet. Now if you want to say that gyms are crap blah blah blah what about gyms for gymnastics. gymnasts must exercise to do the things they do. and they dont do it on a grassy knol, they do it in the comfort of a warm gym. but guess what, they can and will outperform you. but can they lift 200 or maybe 300 pounds. ehh not likely. why because they are adapted to gymnastics. not heavy lifting. Some people jobs in life require lifting heavy objects. I for one set up 120lb aluminum concrete forms to build foundations. sure you can lift 120 a few times. how about moving 80 or 100 of them one right after the other after the other. its almost like dead lifting 120lb for 80 reps. Now sure I can hit free weights, but whats wrong with the free weights in the gym? Dumbells are expensive. not everyone can go and dish out $60 for 2 dumbells to grow out of them in 3 weeks and need heavier ones. do you lift free weights in the comfort of your own home? isnt that the same as that warm gym. or do you have your weight bench in your back yard because you beleive that if you lift outside that maybe by looking at the grass and trees you may adapt to it. You know today we dont need to adapt to out surroundings because we just change them to suit us better. Say you had a couch that was hot pink. and you hated it. wouldnt you go buy a new one or get a cover for it. adapting it to your needs instead of just saying well im going to sit here and stare at this thing untill I begin to like hot pink. because it will save me some money. Man I dont know, but I think you look at things from the wrong perspective. Did you go to the gym and have someone make fun of you or you felt intimidated by all the "fit" people around you that you hate them so much. Man adapt yourself to the 21st century or go back to the earlier days. ya gotta pick one. you cant live in the present and past at the same time. either live in a house and drive a car and eat store bought food, or live in the woods and adapt. chase animals down run around in the snow and the hot sun. fend for yourself.
cuz thats basicly the way your putting it out to us. like if we ever had to live outdoors for a week we couldnt adapt to it and handle it because like we have never seen cold air because we lift and run in warm gyms.. woop dee doo. Trust me I adapt fine to the snow or the hot sun. I ride motocross in the summer I work construction in 2 feet of snow or in 100 degree sunny days. and lifting in a gym doesnt hurt me at all.
 
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mreik said:
haha yeah right cause you'll be able to run away from us who could beat you up lol

Somehow i dont think you could beat up a parachute trained royal marines commando.
 
NewGenSTi said:
Alright guys, seriously WW3 is going to be the end of the world anyways no matter how "fit" you are. if you really want to "adapt" well you might as well get fat and sit around computers all day long and build robots to do everything for you. You cant outrun a bomb. and you sure as hell cant fight one either. there is no dodging it, cant do a backflip over it. your in some major trouble there. We arent going to have a war of Ninjas either. nor a boxing match. my guess is we will be toting m16's and grenades. which by all means no amount of fitness gives you a better chance at dodging a bullet. Now if you want to say that gyms are crap blah blah blah what about gyms for gymnastics. gymnasts must exercise to do the things they do. and they dont do it on a grassy knol, they do it in the comfort of a warm gym. but guess what, they can and will outperform you. but can they lift 200 or maybe 300 pounds. ehh not likely. why because they are adapted to gymnastics. not heavy lifting. Some people jobs in life require lifting heavy objects. I for one set up 120lb aluminum concrete forms to build foundations. sure you can lift 120 a few times. how about moving 80 or 100 of them one right after the other after the other. its almost like dead lifting 120lb for 80 reps. Now sure I can hit free weights, but whats wrong with the free weights in the gym? Dumbells are expensive. not everyone can go and dish out $60 for 2 dumbells to grow out of them in 3 weeks and need heavier ones. do you lift free weights in the comfort of your own home? isnt that the same as that warm gym. or do you have your weight bench in your back yard because you beleive that if you lift outside that maybe by looking at the grass and trees you may adapt to it. You know today we dont need to adapt to out surroundings because we just change them to suit us better. Say you had a couch that was hot pink. and you hated it. wouldnt you go buy a new one or get a cover for it. adapting it to your needs instead of just saying well im going to sit here and stare at this thing untill I begin to like hot pink. because it will save me some money. Man I dont know, but I think you look at things from the wrong perspective. Did you go to the gym and have someone make fun of you or you felt intimidated by all the "fit" people around you that you hate them so much. Man adapt yourself to the 21st century or go back to the earlier days. ya gotta pick one. you cant live in the present and past at the same time. either live in a house and drive a car and eat store bought food, or live in the woods and adapt. chase animals down run around in the snow and the hot sun. fend for yourself.
cuz thats basicly the way your putting it out to us. like if we ever had to live outdoors for a week we couldnt adapt to it and handle it because like we have never seen cold air because we lift and run in warm gyms.. woop dee doo. Trust me I adapt fine to the snow or the hot sun. I ride motocross in the summer I work construction in 2 feet of snow or in 100 degree sunny days. and lifting in a gym doesnt hurt me at all.


You do talk some bollocks.
 
ladies and gentleman, I have realized something that I should have seen a while back. And whatever you do, please, please don't feed the troll anymore.
 
aevans410 said:
ladies and gentleman, I have realized something that I should have seen a while back. And whatever you do, please, please don't feed the troll anymore.

You just have once more nobhead.
 
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