Fight For Equality

Yes apparently breastfeeding is what makes tits sag. That, and the fact that as we get older our skin becomes less elastic. But I have seen shows on Discovery and Nat Geo where the tribal women, who were young and childless, had good breasts in western standards.

The benefit of the bra is to make you women look like they've got more than they really have. I've seen very few women in my life with perfect natural tits, who were at the same time perky and full. In essence, these women are the ones who don't need the visually enhancing effect of bras.
 
Basically that site explained that breasts are going to sag no matter what. Wearing a bra doesn't help, and going braless may slow down the process.

I agree that bras are basically intended to make breasts look perfect when in fact, they're not. If they're big, they sag, and if they're perky they're probably small. I fall into the latter category, so I wear a minimally supportive bra that makes mine look bigger than they really are.

No matter what, working out will always be more comfortable for me without one on.
 
spicypumpkin said:
In other cultures women can show their breasts in public. It's just the cultural norm here.
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Spicy has a very good point there, the US is the most prudish country in the western world by a few long miles.

If you're American and you get the chance to go to a beach in Europe, so long as it's hot a high percentage of women will be topless and I can assure you that you'll be the only ones looking :rofl: It's easy to spot an American on a Spanish beach because Europeans have been desensitized to bare breasts on beaches but yanks are wide eyed with their jaws down to their knees (men and women) and turn their heads as women walk past
 
All this talk about bras when working out remind me of this girl in my class from 8-10th grade. I was 14-16 and no bra in the world could keep her twins from moving when she ran. Needless to say, a lot of the boys in my class (including me) used to crash into eacother now and again :D

CCR: Where in Europe are you talking about? It sure isn't like that in Norway.
And another way to spot a yank is that they refer to "Europe" all the time :p
I've been around in Europe, and while there are nudist beaches, I've never thought of it as normal. But Europe is a friggin big place.
(we do show butts in soap, shower, etc commercials though :D )

And lei, I recently read something on a Norwegian news site that breast feeding wasn't so fatal for perky breasts. There was a study with women who breastfed and women who smoked. Turns out, smoking was very determinal. Something about smoking kills some protein stuff that holds the skin tight
 
Karky - By Europe I'm talking about 'proper' Europe ;)

i.e. UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Holland, Portugal etc... In each of these places topless bathing is considered 'normal' and wouldn't attract any attention what so ever.
I can't speak for the former communist parts of Europe as I haven't been since I was a young kid

EDIT; What's that girls name? I'll see if she has a Facebook profile :)
 
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There are topless beaches in the US too. There is also a fully nude park in TX (don't know about anywhere else).

So, it's not that it isn't allowed at all, but only in appropriate places. You may think it's "prudish" to not have naked people wandering around in front of your children, but I think it's plain decency.
 
That's fine, but that's just because it's what you're used to. What I'm used to is topless bathing being usual on every beach. And as for kids seeing womens breasts, well why not? Their mothers will probably also be there and they'll probably be topless too. I imagine on our next beach holiday my girlfriend will be topless and I can't see how that would have a damaging effect on our daughter

That's the thing here, Americans seem to see breasts as purely sexual things but over here they are only sexual in certain contexts. On a beach they are just parts of your body like any other. And yes, all women do it, ages from 0-100 and dress sizes 0-50. I think it helps kids have a more realistic idea of what bodies normally look like and don't only ever get to see boobs on TV and porn mags

Wow, I never thought any serious discussion could ever come out of this, lol
 
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Well, that comes down to a plain ol' difference in culture - no better, no worse.

I can see where you only see breasts sexually in certain circumstances. But, what then, makes the peni$ and vagina any different, as both serve non-sexual functions as well? Do you also not think anything of parents and teenagers seeing each others naked lower halfs, or of others seeing your daughter's?

I'm not being a smartass, I'm actually wondering, since both sets of "private" parts have both sexual and utilitarian function?


(seriously, they censor the word peni$) - apparently, it isn't Americans that are the prudes, it's the Canadians:p
 
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deschain said:
I can see where you only see breasts sexually in certain circumstances. But, what then, makes the peni$ and vagina any different, as both serve non-sexual functions as well? Do you also not think anything of parents and teenagers seeing each others naked lower halfs, or of others seeing your daughter's?
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Parents and their children seeing each other naked? Absolutely normal, although obviously teenagers would be as ambarased as hell :rolleyes:

The difference with breasts is that they aren't primary sexual organs, they are secondary. They may well seperate men from women but they have no direct sexual function and have mainly been sexualized by the taboo that covering them up has created.

As you say though, it's just a cultural thing. Although judging by how quick American women are to join in when over here I can't imagine it'll be long before it's over there with you too

Derwyddon said:
Uh.. no. Because the kind of people who commit rape have some sort of psychological thing going on that allows / compells them to treat someone else like that. Your basically saying "if i'm turned on i have no control" and that is rarely if ever the cause of a rape.
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Perfectly put, nothing to add :)
 
I agree that censoring something like breasts has caused a huge problem culturally in the U.S. We're so freaked out that if kids see breasts on TV that they will go out and start having a ton of sex and get pregnant and get a ton of STDs, while kids are watching tons of violent things on TV and most parent's could care less. On TV, kids see people being murdered, illegal drugs, the glorification of crime. It's no wonder we have such a problem with murder and violence here. The sexual taboo is also leading to our incredibly high teen pregnancy rate. We have the highest of any developed country. Obviously, the censorship isn't working. I say censor violence, not nudity or appropriate sexual content.

I believe that breasts are not inherently sexual things, they were made sexual in our culture. Their primary purpose is to feed our young which is a beautiful and natural thing.
 
CCR said:
Karky - By Europe I'm talking about 'proper' Europe ;)

i.e. UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Holland, Portugal etc... In each of these places topless bathing is considered 'normal' and wouldn't attract any attention what so ever.
I can't speak for the former communist parts of Europe as I haven't been since I was a young kid

EDIT; What's that girls name? I'll see if she has a Facebook profile :)
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That's like me saying "USA" and only be talking about the east coast :p
And I've been in Spain, Portugal and Italy, and I diden't see any nudist bathing.

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Did you mean Norway wasn't a part of "proper" Europe but a part of former communist Europe? :confused: If so, that's wrong.
 
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Karky said:
That's like me saying "USA" and only be talking about the east coast :p
And I've been in Spain, Portugal and Italy, and I diden't see any nudist bathing.
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That's silly everyone knows that when saying USA you only mean the midwest. That's why all news reporters sound like us.
 
Derwyddon said:
lol karky.... you're a turd

Anyway, there's nothing I want my children to think of as "taboo" to talk about or discuss. That's different than nothing being "wrong" or "immoral" - but we can still talk about those things. If they have a question about sex, I want to have an honest and correct conversation with them. If they have a question about homosexuality, nudity, violence, emotional issues, anything - I want no words or parts or bits and pieces to be too "embarassing" to talk about.
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I agree with this. When I decide to have kids, I want to demystify sexuality. The more they know, the better. I would rather have them learn it from me than from some other teenager once they become teenagers. My parents did a fairly good job of being open about that kind of stuff. My mom did a better job than my dad though. I mean, by the time I was 3 or 4 I knew that babies came from a sperm and an egg that came form a man and a woman respectively. I never got any of those lies that some parents tell their kids. I also never got told that sex was bad. That is something that I will never tell my future children.
 
Derwyddon said:
You know, instead of censoring tv, how about we just start talking to our kids and actually taking care of them?
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Did I miss someone mention censoring tv?

I fully believe it is the responsibility of the parent to decide what their children should watch, and to set the parental controls accordingly.
 
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