Weight-Loss Extremely low calorie diets

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ConservativeFAG said:
:nopity: People are going to do what they want. I doubt that when low calorie eaters read this post that it's going to make them see the light and make them want to eat a healthier diet. As stand alone facts this post is very good. It just sounded kinda hokey and roll my eyes worthy to direct if to low calorie eaters. Kinda like you were trying to guilt them into eating better. And as I said before if thats not how you ment it then ok. I'm just stating how I understood it. Everyone has a different opinion. If I'm wrong then Oh well no biggie. It's not the end of the world. Ill get over it.:smash::patriot:
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Why come to this website for anything other than help to lose weight? People come here for suggestions, ideas and/or facts to lose weight. You don't have to read what Kara said. She is merely giving her opinion which is stongly backed up by factual information. It's not like people log in to their computer and her post just pops out of nowhere.
 
I doubt that when low calorie eaters read this post that it's going to make them see the light and make them want to eat a healthier diet.
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You know what's really funny? I've already received several PMs from people saying that they appreciated my posting this and that it really put the whole "low calorie" thing in a new light for them - but they don't want to post it in the thread because they don't want to get jumped on or appear "stupid".

There are a LOT of people who don't understand that too few calories can be as bad as too many. Proper nutrition is a subject that is not taught in schools (as I think it should be, but that's another soapbox) and a lot of people go into a diet thinking ( a ) I have to lose weight as fast as I can, and ( b ) if low calories is good, then really really low calories is even better. They aren't doing it out of compulsion, but out of a lack of knowledge.

When I ran across the information in a book I was reading, it really struck a chord with me and I thought it would be an interesting and informative way to point out how very little 600 or 800 calories really is. Most people understand and accept that concentration camp victims were starved ... we've all seen the photos. So to be able to connect that visual representation with the figure of 660 calories gives the number more meaning than when someone simply says "that's too little".

As a side note, you really could ditch the little violin playing guy if you really don't want to come across as an asshole. It's one thing to debate and discuss the topic - I'm always up for a good discussion. But adding the little snide smileys turns your comments into something much more rude.
 
No Kara its not taught in schools but it is something that so desperatly should. Our P.E. classes teach us nothing but how to hate running and exercise. ..Or how to feel ashamed of our bodies. They don't teach proper nutrition or calorie intake. They don't teach us how to maintain healthy muscle mass or that exercise and good nutrition will make our minds happier, bodies feel stronger, and ultimatly make us grow into healthy happy adults. UGH! I could go on forever about this.. its really upsetting to me that I had to learn all this stuff now, in my 20s, because the public schools didn't feel it was nec...

I, by the way, thought the Concentration Camp comparison to low calorie diets was a good one.. one that might be more understandable to the normal misinformed person.
 
No Kara its not taught in schools but it is something that so desperatly should.
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Amen to that. It's a soapbox I could get on for hours. "Health" class in jr high and high school was a joke.

I honestly think every high school student should be required to take a nutrition and cooking class (including a hands on cooking lab) and a finance class (including having to spend an entire semester being "paid" a salary and "paying" bills) as a REQUIREMENT for graduation. Just the same as math and english and history are required.

It'll never happen, but I could wish.
 
KaraCooks said:
Amen to that. It's a soapbox I could get on for hours. "Health" class in jr high and high school was a joke.

I honestly think every high school student should be required to take a nutrition and cooking class (including a hands on cooking lab) and a finance class (including having to spend an entire semester being "paid" a salary and "paying" bills) as a REQUIREMENT for graduation. Just the same as math and english and history are required.

It'll never happen, but I could wish.
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I can't even tell you how many times I've said this exact same thing. I teach my kiddos a lot about nutrition at home. They know more about it than most adults.
 
KaraCooks said:
Amen to that. It's a soapbox I could get on for hours. "Health" class in jr high and high school was a joke.

I honestly think every high school student should be required to take a nutrition and cooking class (including a hands on cooking lab) and a finance class (including having to spend an entire semester being "paid" a salary and "paying" bills) as a REQUIREMENT for graduation. Just the same as math and english and history are required.

It'll never happen, but I could wish.
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My mother complains about this all the time. She's a high school home economics teacher, part time D.O. adviser as well, which is where kids only go to school for like half the day and then go out to work the other half of the day. They learn about balancing checkbooks and managing finances in D.O., but there has been a trend where kids do no appreciate it and think its DUMB! Granted, more likely than not, these are kids that don't want to be in school, have a bad attitude about and are not thinking about going to college--not that that's necessarily a bad thing at all. It's just, the drive to want to KNOW about how to handle the real world must be there. It's also a shame that its not standard for everyone in high school as everyone else has said. I couldn't agree more. I had "careers" my sophomore year of HS that was standard thankfully and that helped a lot with interviewing and everything, but nutrition was never there. Not even in my mum's school, where she HATES to teach baking!! (She's a low carber so its real torture lol). I'm not taking nutrition until this semester my 2nd year of college. I should not have had to wait this long to be fully informed about how my body works.
 
treehugger said:
I can't even tell you how many times I've said this exact same thing. I teach my kiddos a lot about nutrition at home. They know more about it than most adults.
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Same here. We teach our kid about nutrition and how to lead a healthy lifestyle. We don't force it on her, but rather educate her on it here and there, especially when she asks. Before we knew it, she was getting really interested in it, even counting her own calories during the day. She's always asking questions and wanting to learn more about it. I was very impressed, and very delighted.
 
no not a troll but comeone seriously no matter what i say you or someone else will have something to say back and thats ok Its just not that important to me to stress over. Plus im a very nice guy and stated in severl of my post that I enjoyed the information presented and i thanked you for it. I just also had a different opinion with it. and also stated that if it was wrong ok fine im sorry but yeah no one else would even slightly try to see where i came from. yeah no biggie but again thanks for the info.
 
ConservativeFAG said:
no not a troll but comeone seriously no matter what i say you or someone else will have something to say back and thats ok Its just not that important to me to stress over. Plus im a very nice guy and stated in severl of my post that I enjoyed the information presented and i thanked you for it. I just also had a different opinion with it. and also stated that if it was wrong ok fine im sorry but yeah no one else would even slightly try to see where i came from. yeah no biggie but again thanks for the info.
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i'm not sure of your point in arguing with anyone here over this. it's widely accepted that starving yourself is stupid and unhealthy. for every person like you, I can name dozens if not hundreds of people who have tried it and ended up worse than before. I'm glad you have had success, but everything you say does not compute with the vast majority of the population.

It's not about having something to say back and that everyone has opinions. It's that you have your opinion, and the entire world of medical and health knowledge disagrees with you. Don't for one second think that this is a difference of opinion and that there are 2 sides to the same coin. This is 100% about you being totally in the wrong with zero credibility to give advice on this matter. Your advice is equivalent to advising someone to take crack because you found it helped shed the pounds. Just cause it works, doesn't mean it's something you should do. The potential for causing long term hard for anyone starving themselves is HUGE.
 
no not a troll but comeone seriously no matter what i say you or someone else will have something to say back
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When the ONLY 5 posts you've made to the site are inflammatory designed to get a negative response, then you're going to find that at least one person thinks you're trolling for a fight - stirring things up just to be a jerk and get people riled.

The thread had progressed to a productive discussion of education and nutrition and instead of participating in that, you came back and poked at everyone again by saying:

get over it not everyone is going to think the same as you. Most of you sound so bitter if someone disagrees with you
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Yup. Troll.

If you want to participate in the board, then by all means PARTICIPATE. If your only contribution is to mock, attack, and call people names, well ... I think that says it all.

It's pretty much that easy.
 
I have stated that I agree completly with the information provided. I understand and agree that that kind of diet is stupid. I also stated that when I did do this a few years ago and happened to lose weight good for me but I never pushed it on anyone. Hopefully by reading this post like you said people will relieze that there are better and healthier ways to lose weight.

The thread had progressed to a productive discussion of education and nutrition
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Then forgot about my posts and continue with the discussion. Just how I apparently misunderstood how the post was ment. Your misunderstanding the point of my post. Its ok to disagree lets all close this chapter and get back on the real point. I did not intend on looking for fights I just stated an opinion thats it. It's pretty much that easy. So for the people that are doing these low cal diets lets get back on topic.
 
I randomly came upon this thread and found it very interesting. First off Kara very interesting history facts I truely did not realize that and found it very interesting as well as the books which look very intriguing to me

I did a lifestyle change and to be honest a low calorie and low fat diet worked for me. I lost 170lbs with low calorie diet and exercise.
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I think thats wonderful for you but i can say that in no such way did a 500 to 800 calorie diet work for me it may have been me personaly but that type of diet pushed me in to an eating dissorder and would in no way shape or form suggest a low calorie diet to anyone I lost 30lbs really fast and put 50 on even faster just my input

and with the school aspect i completely agree i just finished public high school and got barely any information on proper nutrition which unfortunately brought me to the conclusion of the low calorie diet which i promise you will not work as well as a well balanced nutritional diet
 
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Good thread! I don't understand why people cut back so much. I read the MOST you should cut back is 1200 for women and 1800 for men. I'm losing weight counting calories. I started at 2000, and cut back 100 every month. It's been working well for me.
 
KaraCooks said:
For those who are contemplating (or are participating in) extremely low calorie diets, I want to share the following with you. I was reading a few articles on low calorie diets recently and found the following bits of information:

During WWII at Dachau and Bergen-Belsen (two of the Nazi concentration camps that were known for their brutal medical experiments), the inmates were put on diets of 600, 700, and 800 calories per day to see what the effects on the human body would be - both with and w/out extreme exercise. Once it was determined that a calorie level of 669 or thereabout would make it impossible for the inmates to have the strength to rebel, that level of "nutrition" was instituted across many of the camps. Auschwitz was a high-intensity work camp and they recorded diets of 1000 calories per inmate - and also had one of the highest death rates from starvation and malnourishment.

Ravensbrück (the women's only cc), would underfeed women at about 600-700 calories and then execute them when they became too weak to work. Over 92,000 people died of starvation or were executed because they could no longer work on those rations.

I think we've all seen images of the concentration camp victims and inmates and know what they looked like.

So for those of you who think it's good to eat 600 or 800 calories a day, who think it's the only way they can succeed, who think that it's ok to eat at such a low level ... please think about this slice of history. Inmates in Nazi concentration camps were fed an average of 650 calories a day. Is that REALLY what you want to do to your body?????
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Sorry for bringing back a very old thread. But I had to. I read this and think that a lot of people here should read this. Some recent post from members has worried me so I hope they get the picture soon.
 
When you don’t give your body enough fuel, it starts to consume the muscles in your body. The muscles are an important part of being able to metabolize your foods. So eating too little is not the way to have sustained weight loss. :)
 
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