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Funny you mentioned that. I looked at those at the grocery store. 21 grams of sat fat in just the patty itself
The total fat content isn't that bad, it's the fact that the beef is corn fed and industrially raised and that the bread is made from extremely refined flour that makes those things so bad.
21 grams of saturated fat in a beef patty from the grocery store isn't that bad as long ad the beef is grass fed and part of a nutritious meal without the refined starch. It's the whole combination of bad stuff in those burgers that makes them so terrible.
21 grams of saturated fat in a beef patty from the grocery store isn't that bad as long ad the beef is grass fed and part of a nutritious meal without the refined starch. It's the whole combination of bad stuff in those burgers that makes them so terrible.
Hahaha, a hot dog ON a burger? Jesus...
Saturated fat isn't that bad. there's little to no harm in eating that much in a day as long as the diet is balanced.
I get most of my daily saturated fat from dairy. I don't ever use skim milk anymore. It's not that good for you.
Oh, and corn fed beef is pretty bad. It's low in omega 3's and high in omega 6's. The body wasn't designed to digest food that came from an animal eating what it wasn't designed to eat.
I get most of my daily saturated fat from dairy. I don't ever use skim milk anymore. It's not that good for you.
Oh, and corn fed beef is pretty bad. It's low in omega 3's and high in omega 6's. The body wasn't designed to digest food that came from an animal eating what it wasn't designed to eat.
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Studies show that diets high in fat, saturated and unsaturated, do not pose a significant risk for heart disease or an increased cancer risk. Diets high in processed and refined sugars and starches do. There's more to cholesterol levels than fat consumption. It has to do more with your diet as a whole and genetics.
Yes, it's true that people with heart disease and elevated cholesterol levels are more likely to eat high fat diets, but not everone who consumes what you would call high levels of fat has high cholesterol or heart disesase. A healthy, balanced diet with normal levels of fat is actually better for you than the traditional low fat western diet. Go figure.
Fat is not that bad. An unbalanced and heavily processed diet is.
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You think skim milk isn't the best?
"When homogenized milk was introduced in 1932, we started to see increased atherosclerotic damage on a regular basis. Under pressure of 2500 pounds per square inch, at a speed of 600 feet per second, milk is passed through pipes and fine filters. This breaks up the fat particles and puts them in suspension like a foggy mist. The homogenized process encapsulates Xo into tiny fatty substances called liposomes. This protects Xo from stomach acids and allows it to pass through the intestinal walls and into the circulatory system.
At this point, while the liposomes are circulating in the blood, they are slowly burned up as energy fuel, only to expose the hidden core, which is in fact the enzyme xanthine oxidase. This dangerous situation is taking place outside the protection of the liver. Xo and plasmalogen cannot co-exist in one location. The liver, therefore, cannot store plasmalogen. It can only process or destroy it. So now this freshly exposed Xo circulating in the bloodstream, with nothing to stop it, starts to destroy plasmalogen, which makes up 30% of the membrane system in human heart muscle cells. In autopsies of people who died from heart and circulatory disease, plasmalogen was completely missing. Xo was in its place. Arterial inner linings were completely eaten away. The resulting lesions had become hardened by the deposition of minerals. Fatty streaks and cholesterol had surrounded the newly formed plaque by this time."
"When homogenized milk was introduced in 1932, we started to see increased atherosclerotic damage on a regular basis. Under pressure of 2500 pounds per square inch, at a speed of 600 feet per second, milk is passed through pipes and fine filters. This breaks up the fat particles and puts them in suspension like a foggy mist. The homogenized process encapsulates Xo into tiny fatty substances called liposomes. This protects Xo from stomach acids and allows it to pass through the intestinal walls and into the circulatory system.
At this point, while the liposomes are circulating in the blood, they are slowly burned up as energy fuel, only to expose the hidden core, which is in fact the enzyme xanthine oxidase. This dangerous situation is taking place outside the protection of the liver. Xo and plasmalogen cannot co-exist in one location. The liver, therefore, cannot store plasmalogen. It can only process or destroy it. So now this freshly exposed Xo circulating in the bloodstream, with nothing to stop it, starts to destroy plasmalogen, which makes up 30% of the membrane system in human heart muscle cells. In autopsies of people who died from heart and circulatory disease, plasmalogen was completely missing. Xo was in its place. Arterial inner linings were completely eaten away. The resulting lesions had become hardened by the deposition of minerals. Fatty streaks and cholesterol had surrounded the newly formed plaque by this time."
Who said anything about homogenized milk?
The fact is, that in order to make fat free milk palatable they add stuff like powdered milk to it. It contains nasty stuff. Also, the vitamins in milk are mostly fat sluable.
I generally think it's a good idea to consume a food in it's whole form. if you start taking out ingredients that food scientists think are bad for you at any given time, you will lose the full benefit of the food.
Cream top milk and yogurt are the best!
The fact is, that in order to make fat free milk palatable they add stuff like powdered milk to it. It contains nasty stuff. Also, the vitamins in milk are mostly fat sluable.
I generally think it's a good idea to consume a food in it's whole form. if you start taking out ingredients that food scientists think are bad for you at any given time, you will lose the full benefit of the food.
Cream top milk and yogurt are the best!
Ah, here's my citation:
From "In Defense of Food" by Michael pollan, pages 153 and 154:
"In the case of low-fat or skim milk, that usually means adding powdered milk. But powdered milk contains oxidized cholesterol, which scientists believe is much worse for your arteries than ordinary cholesterol, so food makers sometimes compensate by adding antioxidants, furter complicating what had been a simple one-ingredient whole food. Also, removing the fat makes it much harder for your body to absorb the fat soluble vitamins that are the reasons to drink milk in the first place."
It seems like a pretty good argument to me.
From "In Defense of Food" by Michael pollan, pages 153 and 154:
"In the case of low-fat or skim milk, that usually means adding powdered milk. But powdered milk contains oxidized cholesterol, which scientists believe is much worse for your arteries than ordinary cholesterol, so food makers sometimes compensate by adding antioxidants, furter complicating what had been a simple one-ingredient whole food. Also, removing the fat makes it much harder for your body to absorb the fat soluble vitamins that are the reasons to drink milk in the first place."
It seems like a pretty good argument to me.
What are "normal levels of fat" and what is a "traditional low fat western diet"?
Western diets are not low fat at all -- they are high fat (and heavy in the worst fats -- trans- and saturated) as well as high carb (and heavy in the worst carbs -- sugar and refined grain and deep fried potatoes) and low in vegetables. Fat may not be the only problem in the burger, but it is definitely part of the problem, given the amount of calories contained in the burgers.
Now, if you are a hunter / gatherer who often had to go days without finding food, gorging on that many calories in a meal would help tide you over the starvation days. But the (lesser amount of) fat in the wild animal you just killed would likely be a lot less saturated, and have more omega-3 polyunsaturates, than the typical burger from domesticated cattle.
The traditional low fat western diet is eaten by a person who believes that low fat diets are healthy regardless of what else they eat. It is possible to buy food products called "low fat" and still eat an incredibly unhealthy diet. I believe rates of heart disease actually went up when the low fat fad first came about. People started eating less fat, but more processed carbs which led to more heart disease.
Now a balanced diet free of refined foods but with moderate levels of fat, 30 to 40 percent of daily caloric intake, is actually much better at combating heart disease.
Can you please show me these studies. Hyperlipidemia, cholesterol and saturated fats are absolutely significant modifiable risk factors for a number of diseases like adenocarcinoma of the osophagus (which i did a research on) and atheriosclerosis.
You know it could be the other way around that people who eat high fat diets have higher cholesterol and heart disease - cardiovascular disease would be more accurate.
Fat is not that bad. No it isnt, however saturated fat and cholesterol is, they risk factors for a number of disease. Its also clear that excess fat is related to a number of cancers.
By "low fat diet", do you mean the orthodox version, with 30% of calories from fat (food pyramid and such), or the radical version, with 10% of calories from fat (Ornish, Pritikin, etc.)?
Hardly anyone does the radical version, so we'll assume you do not mean that. The orthodox version that people seemingly try to follow (not always successfully) is not particularly low fat by your standards (30% is the lower end, but still within the range, of what you favor for fat intake). On the other hand, people seem to be taking in more total calories from whatever source, even though the percentage of calories from fat may be marginally lower than before, and exercising less, with predictable results regarding obesity and heart disease.
As far as the quality of foods eaten, you probably won't get any disagreement. But selectivity should be applied to all categories of foods, not just carb foods. A fast food burger from factory farmed domesticated beef heavy in saturated and trans-fats and calories hardly becomes a healthy meal just because you did not eat the bun.