Breast Implants

[Nicolasd]

I'm just going to try to sum up.

The opponents of cosmetic surgery:

a) claim that people who want cosmetic surgery have some psychological problem like insecurity, low self esteem, buckle to peer pressure, etc.
- This is probably true for a minority. For the majority, it is not. Under all circumstances this would be an argument against specific patients receiving treatment, and not against cosmetic surgery in general. And even then, psych evaluations of breast implantees in general show significant improval in self esteem and such, so since the surgery is effective and actually removes their psychological problem, I don't see why it isn't simply seen as an effective treatment. Are people not allowed to treat low self esteem?

b) feel that people improving their looks somehow diminishes those who don't do it.
- This is a very weak argument. It's like being opposed to thin people because you're of average weight yourself - that's not that uncommon an attitude, but it is also wrong. Imagine if people actually accepted this idea, the consequence would be no one doing anything for their looks.

c) are principally opposed to the idea because of religous or idealistic conviction, like what God intends or what is natural.
- Here I think most will agree that convictions should only dictate what you yourself do. Otherwise you have to deal with the problems of who gets to decide what is right and wrong, as many have opposing convictions. Of course you could have the conviction that you're right and should dictate how everyone should live, but then you're throwing almost all basic ideas of personal freedom out the window.

 

[~LV~]

My husband is not a breast man - he's a butt man, he'd prefer thongs to bras anyday.

Likewise..........

 

[Typhon]

(no, I don't have a big problem with him looking at pics)

Divorce him and marry me

 

[Moonbeam3]

Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they only contain the whole truth, or even only the truth ~ Charles Dana (1819-1897)

and of course...

You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[spicypumpkin]

Agreed. Just like some people have no problem getting tastoos or piercings, some people have no problem with getting implants.

I personally have a problem with all of those things. Only, I could see myself undergoing reconstructive surgery if I had to get my breasts removed. That would be the only case. Luckily, I don't have to worry about them sagging since there's practically nothing there to sag. But I can see why some women would want a breast lift if they were sagging a lot. But there's a big difference between that and getting huge DD implants just to attract men.

 

[deschain]

. Luckily, I don't have to worry about them sagging since there's practically nothing there to sag. .

Oh, think again sister. If you have children - whatever you've got is subject to sag (and even shrink).

My sis was barely an A - then she had 1 child - and ended up not even being a doubleA. She was literally in training bra category - and what was there, sagged.

I have lots of mom friends, and have had several clients, who started out as doubleA's, A's, and barelyB's - all of which sagged after kids.

When you grow up and have kids and all that fun stuff, it may or may not happen to you. If it does, it may or may not affect your opinion on this matter, which of course, there's no way of knowing, since no one can know how they will feel in a given situation until they are in it. (Practically everyone I know, myself included, used to feel as you do)---

Either which way, that's irrelevant. My point is, I would hate for you to think that b/c you are small, you don't have to worry about breast tissue being damaged through pregnancy/breastfeeding/aging. It would just hurt all that much more when it happened (and believe me, it hurts).

 

[Moonbeam3]

When you grow up and have kids and all that fun stuff, it may or may not happen to you. If it does, it may or may not affect your opinion on this matter

Well, I've noticed that the three people who are most against this topic(spicy/proteinboy/starcrafmaster--even merci) are 18 or younger, that I'm sure plays a big role..As you grow so will your opinions on a number of topics...then again it may not. Just an observation...

 

[deschain]

Well, I've noticed that the three people who are most against this topic(spicy/proteinboy/starcrafmaster--even merci) are 18 or younger, that I'm sure plays a big role..As you grow so will your opinions on a number of topics...then again it may not. Just an observation...

True.
(although, Sara is the exception being that she is a mom)

Though young, all of them show quite a bit of maturity - enough maturity, I'm sure, to acknowledge that they may very well not feel the same about a number of things as they grow older and experiences change.

I completely understand where those opinions come from, as I and many others felt the exact same way once upon a time. Before we see for ourselves what life does to our bodies, it is hard to envision just how devastating it can feel.

 

[Merciless]

Oh I'm not against it at all. I don't really care honestly. I just think there are alot better uses for 7 grand in this world than 'nice boobies' or a nice nose =]

 

[Karky]

Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they only contain the whole truth, or even only the truth ~ Charles Dana (1819-1897)

and of course...

You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

Well I'm glad you took some quotes some random men said about some other topic into this discussion
Seriously, I'll never understand the quote famous people thing in discussions.

 

[philsaigon]

So those of you against, where do you draw the line then?

Braces?
Teeth whitening?
Piercing?
Contact lenses?
Bikini waxing?
Leg shaving?
Getting a haircut?

 

[Proteinboy]

overpaying a guy to cut open your body, remove a cartilage bone in the nose, sew it back up and taking prescribed drugs to nullify the pain during recovery all just to look "better"

 

[philsaigon]

I would say the dental analogy works pretty well then.

Overpaying a guy to yank out 8 teeth while sedated, twist the remaining ones back and forth with wires for 2 years to look better. Are you against braces?

 

[Chillen]

My wife was born with: "Fiber Dysplacia" of the right frontal cheek bone which subsequently grew into her nasal passages, and additionally grew inward putting pressure on her brain sack. Her most concern, health.

What she wanted: Just the boned removed to solve the health complications though knowing their is no cure. How its done: Litterally peeling her face to one side, shaving the bone with a medical grinder, drilling her face to assist in making the nazal passages return, and microscopic sugery to get to the delicate portion of effecting her brain sack. Recovery: 3 months. Swelling: beyond comprehension. Repeat surgury needed again due to reaccurrance: Several.

Least conern: How the disease cosmetically makes her look.

She walks this earth with a deformed face, but has a spirit unmatched by many with much more. One can learn much from her.

She walks this earth knowing others see her deformity, but has a steel heart that knows she is beautiful on the outside as well as on the inside.
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I wrote this in the chill log some time back:


She never complains, and is not ashamed of her self, always puts herself last and her family first. She is always persistant: She is my idol.

Doctors say she wont live past the age of 60. I say she will because of her heart.

If you ever wondered what drives me, its my wife. I keep myself conditioned to be able one day to: cloth her, bath her, feed her, and put her to bed. I love her: She is my idol.

I must be prepared so I must keep my aging body fit for the task and not let her down or myself down.

What she lacks in beauty she makes up with her heart and soul: I love her.

Today was not a good day as she suffered back pain and pain from the water gain, and never complained, but was drawn and tired, but she never gives up.

There is nothing I cant bare when I look at her, that she hasnt felt.

She is the one that boils in my heart of desire. I would do anything for her.

This one of the reasons I am who I am and act the way I do. I know I can make her life as happy with her medical condition, and want to set out to do simuliar things for other people.

I hope this makes sense. And, I hope one can understand me more for what its worth.


I see everyday what having a determined heart and soul can do to a person

(so I Chill mentally in this respect)
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Did I mention she also has Lupos. And STILL........she is the brightest star in the sky..........

 

[Danger_Dave]

I recently saw on the news that some parents bought their daughter breast implants as a gift for senior year prom. I thought that it was kind of a stupid thing to do since their daughter is only 17-18, but I dunno. I'm not a parent, or a daughter.
Personally, I would definitely not pay for my daughter to have breast implants as a senior year gift.

What do you guys think?

 

[g8r80]

For what it's worth, I think breast implants look great on some women and probably make them feel great about themselves and are therefore well worth the money!

 

[Phate89]

My wife was born with: "Fiber Dysplacia" of the right frontal cheek bone which subsequently grew into her nasal passages, and additionally grew inward putting pressure on her brain sack. Her most concern, health.

What she wanted: Just the boned removed to solve the health complications though knowing their is no cure. How its done: Litterally peeling her face to one side, shaving the bone with a medical grinder, drilling her face to assist in making the nazal passages return, and microscopic sugery to get to the delicate portion of effecting her brain sack. Recovery: 3 months. Swelling: beyond comprehension. Repeat surgury needed again due to reaccurrance: Several.

Least conern: How the disease cosmetically makes her look.

She walks this earth with a deformed face, but has a spirit unmatched by many with much more. One can learn much from her.

She walks this earth knowing others see her deformity, but has a steel heart that knows she is beautiful on the outside as well as on the inside.
========================================================

I wrote this in the chill log some time back:


She never complains, and is not ashamed of her self, always puts herself last and her family first. She is always persistant: She is my idol.

Doctors say she wont live past the age of 60. I say she will because of her heart.

If you ever wondered what drives me, its my wife. I keep myself conditioned to be able one day to: cloth her, bath her, feed her, and put her to bed. I love her: She is my idol.

I must be prepared so I must keep my aging body fit for the task and not let her down or myself down.

What she lacks in beauty she makes up with her heart and soul: I love her.

Today was not a good day as she suffered back pain and pain from the water gain, and never complained, but was drawn and tired, but she never gives up.

There is nothing I cant bare when I look at her, that she hasnt felt.

She is the one that boils in my heart of desire. I would do anything for her.

This one of the reasons I am who I am and act the way I do. I know I can make her life as happy with her medical condition, and want to set out to do simuliar things for other people.

I hope this makes sense. And, I hope one can understand me more for what its worth.


I see everyday what having a determined heart and soul can do to a person

(so I Chill mentally in this respect)
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Did I mention she also has Lupos. And STILL........she is the brightest star in the sky..........

Chillen, reading that gives me much more respect to you. You are a great person.

 

[spicypumpkin]

What a wonderful way to look at things Chillen.

I wish everyone could be as loving as you are. It amazes me that even through all of that, and having to see your wife go through so much pain that you can see the positive in everything.

Two words:

ROCK ON!!!!!

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It's funny, but today I was watching Dr. Phil. The episode was about plastic surgery and how some people do it to hide their ethnic heritage. They had a young Asian woman who had had cosmetic surgery for her eyes. Some claimed that she did it to look more "Caucasian". In all honesty, she didn't look less Asian or less herself than before the surgery, yet there were people ridiculing her for her decision. The surgery, in my opinion, made her prettier, but it in no way made her any less Asian looking. They also had a young man on the show with a very large nose who was scheduled to get a nose job. His mother and other family members were horrified because they thought he was erasing his Italian heritage. In all honesty he would have looked much more easy on the eyes if his nose were smaller. Dr. Phil sided with him and stated that there's nothing wrong with doing something to make yourself on the outside match the "you" on the inside.

The reason I took such a negative stance on breast implants, and implants only, was because there isn't anything about me or my breasts that I want to change at this point in my life. But I don't know where I will stand 20 years down the road. I don't want to be seen for my breasts. I don't want to be noticed for the size of my breasts. I've been this way since they first showed up, and I thank goodness that they didn't end up big. Some women are not like me, I'm an exception. There also isn't anything about my face that I want to change. I just simply got lucky. It doesn't make me more secure with myself at all. There are many things about myself that I am insecure about, and I'm working on changing that. For me, my security and self esteem don't have anything to do with looks. I'm insecure about my shyness and lack of social skills. I may excel in the looks department, but I lack in other departments. I balance out to be at the same level as everyone else. Everyone has their own combination of things they like about themselves and things they want to change. Sometimes, people want to change their appearance. Because people are judged by their appearance first, it makes things very difficult for those who are not the ideal in the looks department. It's sad that this is the way it is. By all means, they have the right to change whatever they dislike about their appearance so it can match who they are inside.

The reason I'm not so keen on the idea of breast implants is I personally cannot make the connection between breast size and attractiveness. Maybe this is because I am a straight woman and don't understand the sex appeal of breasts. There are women out there who are drop dead gorgeous who have small or average sized breasts. If they got bigger ones, it wouldn't make them any "prettier". They would just have bigger breasts. What's the use in that? Now keep in mind, this is my perception of it. I'm just trying to explain my stance on the issue. Maybe there's something there that I cannot see that others can. For me, outer beauty lies in the face in both men and women. (When I check out a guy, it's face first, body second).

Inner beauty shows in confidence. And confidence can outshine outer beauty any day. If a person is beaming with confidence in the way they hold them self, the way they dress, and the way they speak, it won't matter at all how their body physically looks.

Now, back to self esteem and security. I'll use myself as an example. There are things I like about myself, a lot of those things are physical traits. There are things I don't like about myself and want to change, most, if not all of those things are characteristics about my personality. I lack self confidence, I'm shy, I'm socially awkward. It's just how I was born. Some people are extroverts and some are introverts. I'm an introvert. I am doing the best I can to overcome my limitations. If I gave up on it, I would sit around an feel sorry for myself and never go out or talk to other people. But, I'm working hard to push myself outside of my comfort zone. I've started to make new friends at college which is one of the most difficult things for me to do. I used to be worse. Three years ago when I changed High Schools, I would physically shake and my voice would shake when I had to speak to a group of friends. It took a lot of work to overcome it, but I don't hear my voice shaking now when I talk to unfamiliar people.

The whole point of this was to show that If I can do something to fix myself on the inside, then everyone has the right to fix something on the outside that gets in their way of living the kind of life they want to live.

So, I hope that gave everyone a better look at why I see things the way I do. I'm sure there are people out there who can see the correlation between breast size and attractiveness. I can't, but it doesn't mean I'm the only one who's right.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

stupid, why? he said nothing about why the girl wanted it. If the girl wants it and the husband gets turned on by bigger breasts, then why not? aslong as the girl isen't just doing it for the sake of her husband..

Stupid because it's completely unnecessary, and the money and effort could be better spend helping children in 3rd world countries or something of that nature.

 

[Typhon]

Stupid because it's completely unnecessary, and the money and effort could be better spend helping children in 3rd world countries or something of that nature.

A boob job costs about $6,000, that's not that much considering how long they last.

I assume you're not going to pay for your gym membership and donate that to the third world then? And maybe your car, mobile phone, designer clothes?

Come to think of it, my new kitchen cost more than that! Damn it, I'm off to hell for sure