Best exercise for weight loss

Low Intensity Workout:
90% x 7 calories per minute = 6.30 fat calories burned per minute

High Intensity Workout:
60% x 14 calories per minute = 8.40 fat calories burned per minute

Of course, I'm no expert so feel free to correct me.

Yes, but I can walk for about an hour with no problems:

7 calories/minute x 60 minutes = 420 calories burned

HIW I can only do for about 2 minutes, if even that, and maybe 5 times in one session:

14 calories per minute x 10 minutes per session = 140 calories burned.

So in theory, my hour of walking would still burn a lot more calories, wouldn't it?

I am by no means a professional either, so I am just speculating, and trying to get my head around things, so if anybody knows the actual scientific numbers, I'd be rather interested.
 
The only thing I would like to add San, is that the number of cals you burn is based on your weight...so it should be a different number for everyone.
 
I found some information on PubMed. It's a university accumulated resource, for all medical journal publications related to biologics. Here is an excerpt:



Praxis (Bern 1994). 2002 May 22;91(21):915-9.

[Exercise intensity and fat burning--theoretical principles and practical considerations]
[Article in German]

Knechtle B.

Institut für Sportmedizin, Schweizer Paraplegiker-Zentrum, Nottwil.

Abstract
There are several methods to eliminate unnecessary subcutaneous adipose tissue. Aerobic exercise seems to be the cheapest and most efficient method compared to diets, pills or even surgery. Subcutaneous adipose tissue can only be reduced by lipolysis and oxidation in the working muscles. The intensity of exercise is the most relevant factor in fat oxidation. Even though fat oxidation is highest at low to moderate intensities, well trained athletes have their highest fat oxidation at the ventilatory threshold. Therefore, different intensities for trained compared to untrained persons have to be recommended in order to burn fat. The determination of concentrations of lactate seems to be of important practical use.


Well, that's the most straight-forward, all the rest are pretty meaty scientifically (aka boring :)...) so if anyone is interested, just search PubMed, you will only get abstracts, etc. without a log-in, but still can see what's out there.
 
Here is the thing. You have completely "trolled" the other thread about weighing yourself daily, and buried any legit. talking points, and you are doing the same here.

Are you the model of physical fitness? (I am actually asking).

I have lost 41 pounds now, dieting right, and working out, most of that weight was lost by walking. I also am advanced in the knowledge and capability of working out, but walking is a motivational way to keep going.

Now, physiologically speaking, fat-loss occurs at a greater pace when you work out at a lower intensity, for a longer period of time, as in WALKING. So, I will continue to discuss this with you if you can be mature, but if you want to act like you are on the other thread, then I am all done playing...:waving::waving::waving:
This is a very common myth. It's due to both the misconception of the bodies energy systems and that study you referenced later from pub med. It's common knowledge that you burn the highest _RATIO_ of fat while doing walking and other common types of exercise. Thats because the primary energy source of the fatty oxidative system and cardio systems are fat stores by and large. (shocking considering the name) However, RATIO means jack. Consider this, the fatty oxidative system, the system your body uses to move around with walking, moving our arms with no resistance, etc etc, uses basically _100%_ fat to give the body energy. Yet you don't see any diets talking about the benefits of sitting on your ass all day to burn nothing but fat. It's again, because the RATIO means nothing. its the TOTAL amount of fat burned over TIME that matters...

Yes I know pubmed well, I've spent countless hours reading on there. Sadly I lost all my standard book marks to studies to debunk this type of stuff posted about cardio, sigh. But I'll do some quite looks to see what I can find. First of all, San, another common myth. Most people confuse weight training with taking 5lbs dumbells and actually think they are doing resistance training. When in fact they are just doing mildly useful _cardio_. Resistance training is anything that uses a resistive force that makes use of the bodies Lactic Acid and/or ATP-CP energy systems. Intense type stuff that most people just don't seem to want to do.

*edited to reflect mod thingy by me*
As for the cardio burning highest levels of fat, here's a link that references a ton of studies. :D

(link the studies and not a site selling a book)

etc etc, I can go on, but the point should be clear. The best use of your time is things that make use of the bodies higher energy systems.

edit:
Congrats on your weight loss. But I think you might be placing too much benifit into walking. I truely wish I could find the study, it was gold. But the study was they monitored like a hundred people over like 4 months. One group on diet only, the other group diet + cardio (no resistance training). The end result, both grounds lost the same weight.. no difference. Compare that to the multitudes of other studies that compare resistance training to cardio and resistance training always blows it out of the water for fat loss.. Sadly I can't back any of this up right now, losing all my links is kickin my ass. :( my 15min of google isn't doing me any favors. But I would be wiling to bet that the stickys at the top of the exercise and such forums on here will back the resistance vs cardio point up too. :D
*******I found it, it's a forum post that also links the study I talked about(please dont delete, its great and references the studies in full). In addition someone also plays devils advocate a bit, great for discussion. :D********

(Crosslinking to another site's forum isn't solid information. Please try for something solid.)

double edit: as for model of physical fitness, I used to be. I'm on a bullking cycle right now and have gained 40lbs. Hope to gain another 15-20 by early next year. So I'm a little too big in non flattering areas if you catch my drift. Had to widen my pants by like 5", lol. Oh well, I'll lose it easy enough by spring. And without doing a single step of cardio too. :D
 
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Yeah..thing is none of those sources are exactly known and respectable sources. The first one I went to was just a user submitted article with no actual medical or studied backup. The second was a ezinarticle that linked you to a blog. I actually have to remove your links because of that stuff. Links are fine if they are actually well known medical/science based sites.

Please focus on using sites with some medical or scientific based proof (ie Mayo Clinic, etc)
 
I don't run any blogs....

I know, like I said, I'm crippled at the moment for good links. The point though is that they in some way reference studies..

edit: I updated the post slightly, hope that makes a difference.
 
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i think we should just agree to disagree and move on.
you can, I never will. I'm a firm believer in pubmed and will never back down to debate in any way. Agreeing to disagree is a copout imo on your part on this. Basically it's saying you have nothing so are trying to take the easy way out. I'll be clear here, I'm pulling out studies now, youve offered nothing more than opinion. Disagree all you want, but it's looking apparent you've lost this one. If you're willing to debate and have other ways to prove walking is not the worst, Im willing to look at them...

P.S. Worst != useless.. I wish you and everyone else would stop confusing the two...
 
Read

Lyle does a lot of research into this, and of course, the ultimate answer on which is 'best' is "It depends on your circumstances." And then he goes on to outline the various circumstances and goals.
 
Read

Lyle does a lot of research into this, and of course, the ultimate answer on which is 'best' is "It depends on your circumstances." And then he goes on to outline the various circumstances and goals.
Which I fully agree with this statement. When you have _1_ form of exercise available to you (walking) then yes, it's going to be the best. Im not arguing this point at all..

What I am saying though is if you have _more than one_. Then walking is at the bottom of the totem pole. Thats it..
 
the ultimate answer on which is 'best' is "It depends on your circumstances."

Thank you Jeanette! That was my whole point. Each person is different so whats best to one person isnt' to the other. I said that earlier.

"agree to disagree" is hardly a copout. Its acknowleging that while I feel one way, you may not ever feel the same way. I'm not wasting my time trying to convince someone of something that they...as you say "will never back down" Good for you. I"ve got other things to do.

btw..i think your aggressive behavior has less to do with making a point and more to do with trying to be a forum bully.
 
I'm not really sure why walking would be worse than say, low intensity cycling or any other low intensity steady state (LISS) activity - but a lot of athletes use LISS for training. It's the "Miles Build Champions" philosophy that Lyle mentions in his articles.

LISS is often dumped on in comparison to interval or high intensity, but it can have it's place. Again depending on your goals, and again I recommend the link in my previous post because Lyle explains it better than I could ;)

Some more links if you actually read the previous and found them interesting:




My quick and dirty summary - if you have limited amount of time to do your workout, do higher intensity activities, because it will maximize the amount of calories burned in that time frame. If you have lots and lots of time, feel free to walk or do other steady state (heck, clean the house or watch TV standing up for that matter!) so that you can minimize fatigue and stay active for as much time is as realistically possible. Throw in some moderate or even high intensity work if you feel up for it, but fill in the rest of the time with whatever works for you.

Of course, I still believe that at the end of the day, the best exercise is the one you stick with and do regularly :D For me that's a combination of lifting and steady state elliptical, plus non-exercise activity at home. For some it's walking. For others it's volleyball... ultimately, find something you enjoy and you're more likely to stick with it. And since some exercise is better than none...
 
"Best"

Of course, I still believe that at the end of the day, the best exercise is the one you stick with and do regularly :D

Right on Jeanette!

I completely agree. The thing is, taking into consideration the context of this site (a weight-loss forum), if one was to generalize, walking is fantastic. It should be noted (as you do), that duration of the work-out is important.

What I recommend for someone is to get a Heart Rate Monitor (HRM) from a sporting goods store, with a chest-band to monitor heart rate. I have mine set-up for my weight, and it records my information during my workout. There are many versions of these monitors. Mine estimates the number of calories that I burned, and I can adjust my pace of walking/ jogging/ running in order to get closer to my goal. I can also adjust the duration of my excercise, or intensity to get to my caloric goal for the workout, regardless of the excercise that I am undertaking. Sometimes I need to walk for 1.5 hours at a brisk pace to get where I want, but other times I can jog for 45 minutes on a route with topography and accomplish the same results. Could I have jogged 4 months ago... no way!!

"best" is very subjective as many have pointed out, and by monitoring workout duration, and keeping a good record of results over the period of a couple of weeks, one can deduce what is "best" for them!

Good luck.

-Mellon
 
How about jumping rope? Say.... an intense interval jumping rope routine.

Would that be good for burning fat and calories?
 
I am fit and strong and I decided to do a few sessions with a personal trainer and he got me skipping rope. Put it this way, I almost puked. It was the most intense exercise I have ever done in my life. He also made me do some boxing. the combination of the boxing and the skip-rope made me red/purple in the face, my heart was racing, and I wanted to hurl. I was tested to the max.

So yeah, to answer your question, skip rope is very good, gets the heart rate up and my god, did I have muscle fatigue the next day.......

I only did 5 sessions with this dude and I strengthened up signficantly as a result.

Go for it! YOu dont' even need to do it for very long. Good luck.
 
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