After 11 Months of Bulking

[Karky]

Too big for some people:jump1: Some of us want the athletic/ non slow look. If you do any type of sport like soccer or fighting (mma, karate, etc) you don't need all that muscle.

actually, if you add agility work, speed work, power work, etc, you will be amazed at how much muscle you can have while still being able to move quickly. Muscle can help you move, so it usually won't make you slower, a lot of fat can though, as that doesn't help you move.

 

[highanddry]

^^ Not if you're talking about Bruce Lee speed

 

[Safeboy43]

^^ Not if you're talking about Bruce Lee speed

May I also add that it's important to maintain a healthy cardio for that reason because once you are that big, its tough to get it back. That's what can slow you down, also. IMO, as long as most of the new mass is lean the proportion of speed to weight will be the exact same.

 

[highanddry]

the proportion of speed to weight will be the exact same.

Not according to Bruce Lee who was considered by many world-class body builders to have one of the most defined and sculpted bodies ever. He focused on translating all of his energy into deadly power with incredible accuracy and maintained that you could not achieve lightening speed with big bulky muscles.
Here's a really interesting article about it.

 

[pwill]

Hey Safeboy,

First off... kudo's for sticking it out for 11 months. And you have progressed... but you can do better.

Secondly... I am really only repeating what others have said but i'll make it clear.


Monday: Eat Eat Eat Eat Gym Eat Eat
Tuesday Eat Eat Eat Eat Rest Eat Eat
Wednesday: Eat Eat Eat Eat Gym Eat Eat
Thursday: Eat Eat Eat Eat Gym Eat Eat
Friday: Eat Eat Eat Eat Rest Eat Eat
Saturday: Eat Eat Gym Eat Eat Eat Eat
Sunday: Eat Eat 30min Light Jog Eat Cheat-Eat Eat

LOL :yelrotflmao:

Perhaps you should have drawn a cartoon of him in the gym. Hehe

 

[Karky]

Bruce lee was a good martial artist, it stops there. He knew **** about training. He was obsessed with wrist curls for forearm development! You need to get over Bruce Lee, you can't live in the past and refer to Bruce Lee every time something comes up. Worship him as a martial artist, because that's what he was.

Your first argument was that you don't need all that muscle if you want to do athletic stuff, but Bruce Lee had quite a bit of muscle (though, a very low BF too, which could make it seem like he had more than he really had) And who said he wanted "Bruce Lee" speed.

 

[pwill]

On they were talking of Bruce Lee getting his lats from ebay. Didn't Bruce Lee get a back injury doing the deadlift incorrectly?

 

[highanddry]

Bruce lee was a good martial artist, it stops there. He knew **** about training. He was obsessed with wrist curls for forearm development! You need to get over Bruce Lee, you can't live in the past and refer to Bruce Lee every time something comes up. Worship him as a martial artist, because that's what he was.

Your first argument was that you don't need all that muscle if you want to do athletic stuff, but Bruce Lee had quite a bit of muscle (though, a very low BF too, which could make it seem like he had more than he really had) And who said he wanted "Bruce Lee" speed.

:yelrotflmao: Wow, you are really under informed about Bruce Lee and my original statement which is reffering to (bigger) not (more muscles) I'll bet you didn't even look at that article. :yelrotflmao:

 

[Typhon]

Not according to Bruce Lee who was considered by many world-class body builders to have one of the most defined and sculpted bodies ever. He focused on translating all of his energy into deadly power with incredible accuracy and maintained that you could not achieve lightening speed with big bulky muscles.
Here's a really interesting article about it.

Great fighter but he didn't half talk some ****

Does the whole 'big muscles can't move fast' thing translate into sprinting then? The 100 meter sprint guys I can think of are pretty bulky and I bet they could shift themselves faster over a short distance than Brucey

But of course the reason Bruce Lee didn't compete in any speed events was because he ran too fast for anyone to see him do it, isn't that right?

 

[Karky]

more muscles? do you mean hyperplasia? If so, I would need to see some serious proof of that actually happening with muscles.

Some guy comes to the forum and starts bashing big people and saying they are big and slow, then you post a long article about a subject that does not interest me in the least. Do you really think I'll read it?

I'm just saying: Don't come on here and refer to Bruce Lee every time something happens. That big people don't have to be slow and have crappy cardio has been proved over and over again.

 

[evolution]

Not according to Bruce Lee who was considered by many world-class body builders to have one of the most defined and sculpted bodies ever. He focused on translating all of his energy into deadly power with incredible accuracy and maintained that you could not achieve lightening speed with big bulky muscles.
Here's a really interesting article about it.

Yeah cuz yo doan want those big muscles cuz they will slow you down so that you can barely walk fast, let alone throw a punch out on the d34dly str33t.

 

[tonymcclellan]

Not according to Bruce Lee who was considered by many world-class body builders to have one of the most defined and sculpted bodies ever. He focused on translating all of his energy into deadly power with incredible accuracy and maintained that you could not achieve lightening speed with big bulky muscles.
Here's a really interesting article about it.

I think you need to go back and read the article. That wasnt the point at all.

 

[pwill]

Great fighter but he didn't half talk some ****

Does the whole 'big muscles can't move fast' thing translate into sprinting then? The 100 meter sprint guys I can think of are pretty bulky and I bet they could shift themselves faster over a short distance than Brucey

But of course the reason Bruce Lee didn't compete in any speed events was because he ran too fast for anyone to see him do it, isn't that right?

Agreed. This Bruce Lee thing is way over-hyped. How many of the 100 metre sprint kings and queens look like Bruce Lee? You can still be big and be explosive.

 

[highanddry]

Does the whole 'big muscles can't move fast' thing translate into sprinting then? The 100 meter sprint guys I can think of are pretty bulky and I bet they could shift themselves faster over a short distance than Brucey

Flawed logic.. sprinting and punch speed/ reactivity are on separate planes.
Whether you like it or not, huge bulky muscles limit your overall functionality... sorry guy, that is physics. You may need a proper education. I started off on this forum with a positive and supportive attitude but am met constantly by visceral reactions. You guys are some of the most sensitive and insecure people based on the fact that I simpily point out some info that contends with your personal traditions and you have to rage out. If there is a stereotype for bodybuilding then you are certainly fulfilling it.

I suppose all the people (among them legendary bodybuilders and atheletes) who respect Bruce Lee, all the top fighters of all time who bow their heads to him, the millions of people he influenced... They're all wrong?

His training improved as he learned and indeed pioneered techniques.


Article Excerpt

Ironically, bodybuilding luminaries of no less stature than Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Rachel McClish, Lou Ferrigno, Lee Haney, Lenda Murray and former Mr. Olympia, Dorian Yates -- that is to say, the best in the business - have all spoken on the record regarding the impact the physique of Bruce Lee had on their bodybuilding careers. "How could this be?" I can hear you ask, perhaps somewhat incredulously. After all, Lee was only 5'7" tall and checked in at a weight that fluctuated between 126 to 145 pounds! What could a behemoth like Dorian Yates, for example, see in Bruce Lee's physique that would give him grounds for any form of inspiration? The answer, in a word, would be quality.

There has seldom been seen - this side of a jungle cat -- the incredible sinewy and ripped-to-the-bone quality of muscle displayed by Bruce Lee. He was ripped in places that bodybuilders are just now (28 years later) learning they can train. Every muscle group on his body stood out in bold relief from its neighbor -- not simply for show (unlike many bodybuilders) but for function. Lee was, to quote his first student in the United States, Seattle's Jesse Glover, "above all else, concerned with function." Lee's body was not only a thing of immense grace and beauty to watch in action, but it was supremely functional. Leaping eight feet in the air to kick out a light bulb (as evidenced in Lee's office-wrecking scene in the MGM movie Marlow), landing a punch from five feet away in five-hundredths of a second and catching grains of rice -- that he'd thrown into the air -- with chopsticks were things Lee had trained his body (and reflexes) to accomplish. In fact, during his famous "Lost Interview" Lee referred to his approach to training as "the art of expressing the human body." Indeed, perhaps never before has there been such an incredible confluence of physical attributes brought together in the form of one human being -- lightening fast reflexes, supreme flexibility, awesome power, feline grace and muscularity combined in one total -- and very lethal -- package.

I'm sorry for all the people who felt "belittled" by my comment.. anyone?

 

[pwill]

Sorry highanddry, if you want to kiss Bruce Lee's a$$ don't expect me to join you. You still didn't explain why the modern 100 metre guys are big and still explosive. I'm waiting ...

 

[highanddry]

^ Because what are you even talking about?



Those guys look bulky? Do they seem in any way to resemble the huge body builders... At all ? No, they have strong, lean, incredibly functional muscularity. Going bigger than that even and maintaining speed is also doable (non sprinters).. Did you understand it when I said that excessive muscle and bulk slows you down for athletics which I maintained from the beggining, was my contention?
In response to (paraphrase) : Why not get bigger and bigger?
I said: " SOME people want the non/ slowed atheletic look"

After that people started digging into me with bogus analogies and unfounded principles.

Further more, people like me who deal with mostly combat training and sports nutrition know that Bruce Lee like speeds are impossible with too much bulk.. Sorry. True.

more muscles? do you mean hyperplasia?

Learning to read is an important part of a young persons life, if you are young there is still time to learn.. Take a look at what I actually said... If you were able to get through the text up to this point that is.
"NOT MORE MUSCLES"

I think you need to go back and read the article. That wasnt the point at all.

Hey professor, I know the article wasn't about that soley. You going to teach me how to analyze an article now?

It takes a lot to get me worked up enough to post angrily, maybe someday I'll have chillen's mind set but I'm still young and learning.


BTW: That article is from Mike Mentzer [dot] com... you guys have any idea who that is? I bet you do... perhaps he is "kiss[ing] Bruce Lee's a$$ "

Thank you,
The End.

 

[tonymcclellan]

In response to (paraphrase) : Why not get bigger and bigger?
I said: " SOME people want the non/ slowed atheletic look"

You're comparing then this guy to a bodybuilder? I dont think that is what was meant by anyone when they said to gain size.

Hey professor, I know the article wasn't about that soley. You going to teach me how to analyze an article now?

Im not going to teach you **** dude. Apparently you think that that article has anything to do with your "muscles make you slow" argument. The only part that actually said anything in reference was when all of a sudden this big, huge bodybuilder came walking out of the Dungeon and I said to Bruce, 'Man, look at the arms on that guy!' I'll never forget Bruce's reaction, he said 'Yeah, he's big -- but is he powerful? Can he use that extra muscle efficiently?" So he wasnt saying that having muscle is bad, but if you cant effectively use your muscle, then thats bad.

And all you're saying is muscle is bad. Im not discrediting Bruce Lee, so dont even try that crap with me. Bruce was a badass dude no doubt about it.

However you're making a simple argument out of simple text that isnt related.

 

[Typhon]

Those guys look bulky? Do they seem in any way to resemble the huge body builders... At all ? No, they have strong, lean, incredibly functional muscularity. Going bigger than that even and maintaining speed is also doable (non sprinters).. Did you understand it when I said that excessive muscle and bulk slows you down for athletics which I maintained from the beggining, was my contention? .

Who are those guys? They don't look like sprinters to me, sprinters look like this
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[Typhon]

Ah, you just found a shot of Tyson Gay t an angle that made his legs look skinny, well they aren't

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[legz]

good job on the gains bro!!...IMO though and its only my opinion, if I were you I would work on gaining another 20-30lbs. Dont 'cut" for christ sakes, you and see your ribs!!! You are already thin, just keep building mass!!!

good luck