I want this body!!!! HELP PLEASE :D

Hey!!

Need a bit of help, im a noob and dnt knw much bout fitness etc. Have black belt in martial arts and do some gymnastics but dont do much else fitness work but have recently been able to get my hands on a gym membership. Basically, I really want a body like this guy's!

Heres a pic of me now...


What would i have to do to get the type of body like tht guy. I can get access to the gym and am willing to work hard to achieve it. If anyone could give me advice on suggested workouts and eating plans etc it wld b greatly appreciated. Dnt knw much bout diets and workouts but have a clear goal of what i want so thought id turn to u guys who all seem to knw what theyre on about!! Any detailed help wld b greatly appreciated!! The more detailed the better : An idiots guide to getin tht blokes body :D !! :) Thanks very much
 

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hi bro, i recommend you to workout 3 times a week, and 1 day full cardio, (bike, run, and rowing machine), then stick to high protien diet, eat carbs and fat before you workout, after workout eat alot of protiens, lean meat, etc. on ur cardio workout, learn 2 use nun-chukas, trust me they can help burn off alot fat on your shoulders and arms, use supplements but not all the time, u get me, meaning 25% supplements, 75% real food. Commit to your goal. trust me, holla at me if u made it
 
\ 1 day full cardio,.....

trust me they can help burn off alot fat on your shoulders and arms,.....

25% supplements, 75% real food.
:eek:

Dude, please don't eat 25% of your calories from supplements. And spot reduction (targeting where you lose fat) is a myth.

I'm not sure where the 1 day of cardio comes from. It will burn calories, but why limit it to one day while cutting? Plus for heart health at least 3 days of cardio is recommended
 
Stickies!

Read the stickies and they will help give you the knowlege and know how to create a meal plan and workout regimin.

You're working with a pretty good platform, but to get as ripped and pumped up as pic #1 naturally; look forward to a long time of hard heart pumping work, and recording what your eating.

Set goals, you will not reach that guy ^ in a couple of months. It's a lot easier to keep with everything if you are hitting a goal every couple of months.

Good luck and keep us posted
 
Do more exercise .Set final goal , trust you and insist on , then you will make success . You may do exercise in doors , of course you can also exercise outdoors, such as riding biker, climb mountain , ride horse . Search some people who have the same plan as you , and then you may can encourage each other and compare the results .If you would like to try, you may search the people at horsematch website which offer the chance for users who want to exercise and to ride .
 
You're pretty good for a spammer Kate, is there anything that Horsematch can't help you with?

So your tip for getting a great body is to log on to a dating site?

I'm only a horse from the waist down, can I sign up too?
 
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hi bro, i recommend you to workout 3 times a week, and 1 day full cardio, (bike, run, and rowing machine), then stick to high protien diet, eat carbs and fat before you workout, after workout eat alot of protiens, lean meat, etc. on ur cardio workout, learn 2 use nun-chukas, trust me they can help burn off alot fat on your shoulders and arms, use supplements but not all the time, u get me, meaning 25% supplements, 75% real food. Commit to your goal. trust me, holla at me if u made it

I dont get you...
 
hi bro, i recommend you to workout 3 times a week, and 1 day full cardio, (bike, run, and rowing machine), then stick to high protien diet, eat carbs and fat before you workout, after workout eat alot of protiens, lean meat, etc. on ur cardio workout, learn 2 use nun-chukas, trust me they can help burn off alot fat on your shoulders and arms, use supplements but not all the time, u get me, meaning 25% supplements, 75% real food. Commit to your goal. trust me, holla at me if u made it

You shouldn't be allowed to post if you're suggesting things that could actually hurt people. How many suppliments do you take?:confused:
 
Hey!!

Need a bit of help, im a noob and dnt knw much bout fitness etc. Have black belt in martial arts and do some gymnastics but dont do much else fitness work but have recently been able to get my hands on a gym membership. Basically, I really want a body like this guy's!

Heres a pic of me now...


What would i have to do to get the type of body like tht guy. I can get access to the gym and am willing to work hard to achieve it. If anyone could give me advice on suggested workouts and eating plans etc it wld b greatly appreciated. Dnt knw much bout diets and workouts but have a clear goal of what i want so thought id turn to u guys who all seem to knw what theyre on about!! Any detailed help wld b greatly appreciated!! The more detailed the better : An idiots guide to getin tht blokes body :D !! :) Thanks very much

You want that sort of body.........do ya?.........really? Then lets ROCK!........

Lets COOK THIS BABY!..............................> :)

What is your present wgt, hgt, and age?

What is your current body composition like?

To get your ship to sail. You need just enough guidance to get the motor running.............

1. You need to determine your caloric maintenance according to your activities, and dependent upon your current bodily composition, a surplus or deficit diet implemented (or a combination of both)

2. A weight training program designed around a full body workout (cardio can be included). This program has to be progression based with compound lifts as the staple components.

I can assist you with these if you wish.



Your friend,



Chillen
 
You want that sort of body.........do ya?.........really? Then lets ROCK!........

Lets COOK THIS BABY!..............................> :)

What is your present wgt, hgt, and age?

What is your current body composition like?

To get your ship to sail. You need just enough guidance to get the motor running.............

1. You need to determine your caloric maintenance according to your activities, and dependent upon your current bodily composition, a surplus or deficit diet implemented (or a combination of both)

2. A weight training program designed around a full body workout (cardio can be included). This program has to be progression based with compound lifts as the staple components.

I can assist you with these if you wish.



Your friend,



Chillen

Hey guys thanks for the help. My current weight is 10 stone 3lbs or 63.5029318 Kilograms or 143 pounds. My age is 17 and im about 5 ft 6 ish. Id say my body composition was athletic and muscular. Heres a pic after ive worked out for bout a month, i think theres a difference frm the original pics i posted on this thread.
Thanks for this chillen u seem a massive help on this site. :D:D:D:
Please reply !!! Any help wld b much appreciated. I fink i got a good foundation to build on so hopefully with ur knowledge i cn rocket up to tht guys physique!
Dan
 

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Hi guys, and hi HollowayDan. Don't want to jack your thread but I am pretty new here and was checking out a few threads before I posted up my own query, and it looks like you want EXACTLY the same as me.

I want that physique as well. I've been lean before and I loved it (obviously) but want to get back in that shape and also get some real muscle definition in there. That guy in the pic looks like my ideal target.

I am 24 years old and the same height as the original poster, 5ft 6in. However I am much heavier, pushing 12 stone (about 75kg). I was in the gym all the time earlier in the year and lost a bit of weight, and got some muscle. BUT I am at law school at the moment, and when coursework and exam time came I lost it totally and put on a fair amount of weight. I have a well-built frame so the extra fat doesn't shout out as much so I guess I was in denial. So I want to change.

My biggest problem is eating - I love food! (Who doesn't). But I am interested in what nutrition program I can use that is not too difficult to stick to, I just need an idea about how much food I can eat each meal, what food groups to eat and how often. Also, I am interested in protein powder, but want to know the health risks (if any) there are, and how much I should have, when, and what brand to buy.

Also, I really want to take advantage of you guys' knowledge in fitness and stuff to let me know what sort of exercise program I should be using to maximise my goals and cut how long it takes to achieve the above pic. My studies only allow for a 1hour 15min workout each morning before work, so between 6.30am and 7.45am.

I am willing to work hard for this, I can tell me girlfriend is not a fan of what I have (haha), as I was slimmer and more toned when we met. So I want to make her proud (awwwwwwww).

Any way, that's my rant over. Sorry to the original poster if it looks like I'm jacking your thread - I'm not, and figure we have the same goals.

Now on to the pics.

These were taken about 10mins ago.
 

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hi bro, i recommend you to workout 3 times a week, and 1 day full cardio, (bike, run, and rowing machine), then stick to high protien diet, eat carbs and fat before you workout, after workout eat alot of protiens, lean meat, etc. on ur cardio workout, learn 2 use nun-chukas, trust me they can help burn off alot fat on your shoulders and arms, use supplements but not all the time, u get me, meaning 25% supplements, 75% real food. Commit to your goal. trust me, holla at me if u made it

I literally LOL'd when i read that.
 
Hey guys thanks for the help. My current weight is 10 stone 3lbs or 63.5029318 Kilograms or 143 pounds. My age is 17 and im about 5 ft 6 ish. Id say my body composition was athletic and muscular. Heres a pic after ive worked out for bout a month, i think theres a difference frm the original pics i posted on this thread.
Thanks for this chillen u seem a massive help on this site. :D:D:D:
Please reply !!! Any help wld b much appreciated. I fink i got a good foundation to build on so hopefully with ur knowledge i cn rocket up to tht guys physique!
Dan


You sure your only 63kg? I'm 17 and you look about my weight or a little heavier and im 67kg.
 
The road to potentially bulking:


The road to your goal, is gaining knowledge of calories and nutrition within a diet proportioned to your age, wgt, hgt, and gender, which includes associated activities.

Then developing a scheduled training plan per week (which allows recuperation time) that compliments---a clean diet. When both are developed, then the key is consistency and then watching, looking, and being very mindful, of your bodily responses to your diet and training stimulus.



Surplus dieting is the MAIN thing that does the job.

Some Basic information that can lead you to weight tissue gain

Calorie calculation is an approximation science, remember this. Through your journey WATCH, LOOK, and LISTEN, to your body..........it will TELL YOU if your doing the correct things or combination of things!


○ Change your eating habits (below are some suggestion examples)

○ Substitute an artificial sweetener of your choice in the replace of refined white sugar (Refrain from Refined Sugar like you would a disease)

○ Try eating 5 to 6 smaller meals during the day

○ Balance your meals out during the day so in one day you have a mix of protein, carbohydrate and good fats

○ Drink lots of water during the day and before, during and after exercise

○ Simple Carb Examples: Grapefruit, Watermelon, Cantaloupe, Strawberries, Oranges, Apples, Pineapple, etc

○ Complex Carb Examples: Whole Wheat Pita Bread, Oatmeal, Long Grain Brown Rice, Brown Pasta, Malto-Meal (Plain, whole wheat),etc

○ Good Protein Examples: White or Dark Tuna, Chicken Breast, Lean Turkey, Lean Ham, Very lean Beef, Quality Whey Protein Powder,, etc

○ Good Fats Examples: Natural Peanut Butter, Various Nuts, Flax Seed, Fish Oils.

This is what you need to do:

This an approximation science, but you can narrow it down very close, if your meticulous in your vision when looking at the data.

Tweak your desire and passion by educating yourself on the basic requirements of losing fat tissue. With your age, sex, height, and weight, in mind, find your approximated base calorie needs (this is organ function, breathing, or bodily function needs). One can use the Benedict Formula.

Calculate your BMR:

The Harris Benedict equation determines calorie needs for men or woman as follows:

• It calculates your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) calorie requirements, based on your height, weight, age and gender.

• It increases your BMR calorie needs by taking into account the number of calories you burn through activities such as exercise.

This gives you your total calorie requirement or approximated Maintenance Line (I call it the MT Line).

Step One : Calculate your BMR with the following formula:

•Women: BMR = 655 + (4.35 x weight in pounds) + (4.7 x height in inches) - (4.7 x age in years)
•Men: BMR = 66 + (6.23 x weight in pounds) + (12.7 x height in inches) - (6.8 x age in years)

Step Two : In order to incorporate activity into your daily caloric needs, do the following calculation:

•If you are sedentary : BMR x 1.2
•If you are lightly active: BMR x 1.375
•If you are moderately active (You exercise most days a week.): BMR x 1.55
•If you are very active (You exercise daily.): BMR x 1.725
•If you are extra active (You do hard labor or are in athletic training.): BMR x 1.9



The calorie surplus margin is just an example:

Apply this knowledge by going over the approximated MT Line (approximated Maintenance line), say for example, a +500c per day, for about 1 week.

Before the week begins, weigh yourself in the AM when you FIRST get up (do not eat yet) (remember your clothing, preferably with just underwear and t-shirt or like clothes).

Note the time, and the approximated wgt.

Each day spread your caloric content out throughout the day (keep the body fed, with calories in the 300 to 500c approximated calories each meal), or a like division which mirrors your end caloric deficit limit (meaning MT +500c).

This way you have your entire day and body encircled with nutrition (I assume you already know to eat clean), which if your eating right, will give an approximated good energy.

At the end of the week, on the same day, the same time, with the same like clothes, weigh yourself again. Note whether you lost or gained tissue (or weight I mean).


If this didn't happen, this means you need to make finer adjustments, and the MT line is not accurate, and you need to adjust this on your own.

Based upon the FEEDBACK your body is giving you, ask yourself how faithful you were on the diet, AND how faithful in training (whether you kept the training schedule (if you didn't, this would effect the caloric equation, no?!), AND how accurate you figured in your activities caloric wise.........but, you have the base information to begin making adjustments.
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The Nutrients are an essential factor in the diet; however, the law of energy balance within the DIET, is the ultimate KING while the Nutrients can play in some decisions made within the body.

Do yourself a favor, figure out your MT line, adjust off of this, eat well balanced spaced out meals (DONT EVER starve YOURSELF), AND listen to your body for the results.

While you are trying to figure out your body, IT WILL PAY YOU BACK, I promise. You have to learn to MASTER yourself to become the master of weight loss for YOURSELF.
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"Let your inner vision cultivate your ultimate exterior expression" —Chillen

"The strongest inner feeling that prevails will result in the exterior expression" –Chillen

"Your cultivation and manifestation of thought accumulated within your reasoning will determine your outcome"----Chillen
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The most effective beginning is to look at your diet, and make a diet journal in my opinion, THEN work in a training program around this diet.

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Have controlled obsession (and obsession to a---Point, is necessary), but some lose this obsession once they learn the amount of work it requires. There eyes then widen and then the obsession then pops right out. Dont let this happen to you: Raise your Want-o-Meter to a new higher level.

Best Regards,


Chillen
 
Once you configure your MT line. We can discuss the Zig-Zag diet approach, and see if this would work well for the goal you seek......this could serve your purposes.

The Zig-zag concept is just basically allowing a surplus for a number of days and then allowing a deficit for a number of days, and then implementing a weight program around the defict and surplus calorie days.......
 
For your information:

This is how I approached my diet......there is some good information here to think about:

I wanted to take the time to reveal the bottom line of my diet after trial and error, and the various techniques that I used along the way. I tried to write this with simplicity in mind. The purpose is not to provoke a fierce debate.

While I understand that being this technical and meticulous isn’t for everyone, it may be possible that there may be some information I am giving that may benefit another forum member. And, this is the primary purpose.

This approach has worked for me, is working for me, and subsequent opinions contrary to this approach likewise doesn’t matter.

After educating myself on the basic requirements of tissue loss and tissue gain, I quickly learned there were many opinions and opinions on these opinions, and one could easily get confused on where to start and which basic circumference of information to use for ones goal. But there tended to be some dust that settled on simple basics.

I also looked at several different methods of caloric Maintenance formulas. (like NROL, Benedict, and the basic multiplier, and they still didnt really satisify WHAT I WANTED--more specific--detailed)

I sat myself down, and wrote down every possible dietary weakness and strengths I possessed. I literally tore myself apart being honest. I developed a “On Limits Food List” and an “Off Limits Food List”. I evaluated my living environment and work environment, its associated effects and causes, and what would applicably have negative and positive effects on my goal, and set reaction in place)

I developed a list of bad food items that could be made to be more healthy that I liked (for example: Oatmeal cookies, and Peanut Butter Cookies, and replaced the ingredients in these to the more healthy alternative—like Splenda for the replacement of white refined sugar, and whole wheat flour instead of white bleached flour, and so on and so forth).

I developed a CLEAR strategy in dealing with my weaknesses (and changing ingredients in sweet items-like the aforementioned- is one example as it assisted with the “I want something sweet—DAMN IT!” type of situation).

There was NOTHING I wasn’t prepared for, Mentally, if my body began to resist or crave certain things as I progressed forward. This was key, and an entirely different writing. (and one I would do if asked, because the system I have in place could work for another person)


Therefore, I decided to make a Excel Spread Sheet for my diet calorie and activity tracker. The First Tab was the equation set from the Benedict Formula, and the accompanying activity multiplier (s). I plugged in my age, gender, weight, height, and approximated activity set, and this produced a approximated Maintenance Line according to the Benedict Formula. This was really just a look back reference page (and man in the end--it IS WAY OFF)

What I didn’t like about this formula, is its general broad and blanketed scope it gave for each day, with having knowledge that each day can be drastically different from one day to the next.

One could move and/or change the multiplier for a given day, but this too, I thought had the same broad effect. I could have used other MT opinions (like NROL, and others, but they too suffer from---what I wanted…a more narrowed and more specific caloric calculation to me. I am not arguing that they don’t work—they do, and have been proven to work, and I post these to assist others, it’s just that it wasn’t for me—exactly anyway)

Therefore, I sought to educate myself on the approximated calorie expenditure based on certain activities being performed that was based on the variances of: Age, height, weight, and gender.

The activity segments were broken down in this manner: 1. Work, 2. Off Work, 3. Workout day(with or without cardio) with Work, 4. Workout-Rest(with or without cardio)with Work, 5. Workout day(with or without cardio)with an Off-Work day, 6. Workout-Rest(with or without cardio)with Off-Work day, 7. Wake hours on Work days (not including work hours), and Wake hours on Off-Work days, and 8. Sleep hours. Dependent on the day, then, I would apply the applicable variances that were applicable for a given day.

Examples: A Work Day with a Workout(without cardio): Work hours (8), Sleep hours (8), Awake hours (8-1=7), Workout (1). In the hourly sense the day is completely covered more thoroughly and independently according to personal activities.

I then made another spreadsheet listing the variable activities and the applicable variances in hours in use for that particular day. I then made this connect to another spreadsheet that I configured to use daily, weekly, and monthly, and would copy and move a blank one forward for a subsequent month.

The next task was attempting to approximate the calories according to the variances I configured for myself each day. I studied the approximation science of how many calories were burned dependent upon the activity performed, and since there were going to be applicable fluctuations in any one determined activity segment, I decided to come to terms on a “medium” and would apply the variance, if applicable. (for example, working 10 hours instead of 8, or maybe work was more demanding than normal, etc).

I basically have a desk job, but I can tend to be on my feet for extended period of time dependent upon the problems and situation. Looking this sort of activity up (sitting at a desk with a PC, tends to give an approximated hourly caloric expenditure of 120c per hour, so I mediated the difference to 150 per hour(and sometimes this needs adjusted)

Sleep hours: Looking this sort of activity up tends to range between 60c to 80c per hour. (If I get less sleep, I subtract the hours and make up the caloric difference, if I get more than 8, I add hours, and adjust caloric figures)

Awake Hours: This can be 8 (8-1) or 16(16-1) hours dependant if I am off-work, working, and Workout variances. Like work, this can have MANY caloric expenditure variances. But, like work I can be on my feet a lot and not be. Therefore, I settled with the same 120c per hour (and had since narrowed this a bit higher)

Workout: One hour. I tend to vary this as well. It depends in rest between sets, whether I am lifting heavy (low reps), or higher (6 to10, or 8 to 12), etc. This can range from 250c to 450c (and higher), if it lasts 45 min, I simply don’t call it one hour, I adjust accordingly.

Cardio: Depends on whether it’s 20m, 30m, 40m, 45m, 50m, or 60m, along with projected intensity level (I am terribly honest—there is no other way). I do an upright recumbent stationary bike (with back rest). I don’t do these like a normal person either. I hoist 45lb plates over my head with both arms hold them in the air for extended periods, then I will grab two 10lb plates and thrust them forward in a pumping fashion, etc. I don’t mess around. Admittingly, I don’t like running. So the bike fits and allows me to do what I have to do to get the job done at the time. And, if there are any double, triple, and quadruple cardio sessions in one day, I of course, make caloric adjustments (which is already in excel-mathematically).

We now have each day particularly broken down according to what I am doing, and can be adjusted accordingly when obvious differences and/or variances occur in a particular day. With some refinements, and the fact I had to change caloric approximations because of weight changes, I have my expenditure pretty much narrowed down to a personal science, and my weight loss was indeed matching my projections in excel.

Each days Maintenance Line is taylored to a specific day by specifically what I am doing that day, and this MT line is subject to the 24 hour dietary cycle.

The 24 hour diet cycle clock.

For example: 7AM to 7AM (24 hours) would be one dietary hourly cycle where ALL caloric consumption would occur and be counted for that day. I didn’t adjust this clock cycle around work. Rather I would sometimes adjust this cycle according to the scheduled workout, AND whether work effected its schedule or not. At first there were no adjustments that were necessary even WITH work effecting the timing of the workouts.

But, as I lost weight and my body fat was dropping and getting relatively low, I had to make dietary 24 hour cycle clock adjustments. I always tended to look at my diet caloric totals first if a problem developed and projections were off. I thought this may be an indication of a bodily adjustment and/or refinement and/or adaption to the caloric content the body was being given in accordance to activity stimulation.

I studied some more, and then implemented the: CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack techniques, which are basically caloric manipulations in a 24hour dietary cycle. The results from implanting these manipulations (in accordance to my personal goal) were above astounding.

When I begin to explain these manipulations, I want you to keep in mind the very meticulous and specific caloric projections that were tailored to myself in accordance and/or in sync with what I was doing a particular day.
One can do things with this 24 hour cycle period in providing more short term calories, and change up the clock, while at the same time, not letting the body get accustomed to a certain 24 hour cycle of eating patterns.

For example: (This can be adjusted to suite different personal situations, the hours provided are only an example to give you an idea on how it works)

Say for the first week your 24 cycle clock is: 7AM to 7AM (work is 11P to 7A), you could eat at 3AM (which is 4 hours earlier), and technically your over your limit at that time, but let’s say you train at 8AM (or something like that), for this period you have just provided a small surplus; however, the next day, you could switch back to the 7A to 7A. Which erases (if your meticulous) the previous 4 hours the day before, and one could ramp up an exercise, say cardio, and cause a deficit(though exercise) instead of a balance.

I call this Cycle Back. The 24 hour clock can be anytime adjusted to your daily routine. This cycle back can assist with craving yearnings without the guilt of thinking your over eating. It feeds you and your mentality at the same time. One just has to adjust the next day as a consequence, but it’s something in place to assist with hunger when needed and assist the body in not adjusting to you. In addition, it can provide some extra calories for your workout coming up.

Within the Cycle Back, you can also decide to leave the surplus, of say +300 or so, to allow the body to think it ate too much, and then adjust the CycleBack to 3A to 3A (which is good to do with long term dieters---once in a while)

I use the cycle back most of the time to give the appearance of extra calories, to provide more energy--at the time for weight training, but in the end of things........the next day, it cancels out and I bring a deficit through exercise. But not all the time.

There is another technique I use called: Cycle Forward. Let’s use the same 24 hour cycle clock, 7A to 7A, and I ate at 3A, I will push the caloric content at 3a as eating at 7a, and just push it forward, and count it within the same clock. If working 11p to 7a, and a scheduled Workout was at 8a, this would be ideal to allow time for digestion, and have extra calories BEFORE workout. I then would eat after workout as well.

This is the tougher side of the equation, though, but this can used to assist cravings, but at the same time, you have to space out the meals a bit more intelligently, as you consumed some of the calories prior to the clock starting, but still counting in the same clock, so there is a consequence.

Both of these cycle types I constantly used when I lost my weight, and it worked for me and there is no doubt about it.

The CycleFlipBack, is just intentionally moving the hours 3 to 4 hours earlier than the cycle before it. For example: using the same 7a to 7a example, I would eat at 3a about 4 hours earlier than when the 24 hour diet cycle actually ended. Next day keep it at 3a to 3a, next day after this, move it back another 4 hours, keep it the same, and then flipback again. What you have taking place here is a small surplus, deficit, small surplus, deficit, and so on. This messes with the body pretty good, ya think? In all this, I know what the surplus in caloric content is, and with the deficit, and whether any of the days cancel out. I believe this is smart—when advancing in goals and when weight loss plateau’s develop, to have something in place to TRY to combat problems. And, the diet is one major player in the equation, and needs careful consideration in my opinion.

I ate frequently, but inconsistantly (just not at the same times, I mean). I implemented the 95-5 approach to my diet. This means that if I allow a RARE cheat item 5% of the time (and put this in the caloric projection, and then sometimes--allow an overage (think the caloric manipulations), then this 5% is not gonna erase the 95% that is correct. This is not possible.

But this only works if you are in fact 95% correct and faithful, LOL. And, one has to consider that most of the time I was 100%---faithful--for months, and the 5% rarely came about, and if did, I was prepared, and would allow it, without hurting my goal path. One has to allow breathing room, and cant have the belt wrapped to tight. One has to breath. And if one does, maybe 100% isnt so hard to achieve. If you can understand what I am trying to say.

This is just a brief synopsis. I hope this helps someone in some way. This was my intention on writing this.


Best regards,


Chillen
 
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