Workout Help

To any and all experienced weightlifters or personal trainers out there, I'd like some advice on a workout that will enable me to build lean muscle while helping to get more cut. (around 10-12 bf% currently) I know that sounds like really standard advice, but looking around I find lots of contradictory info on what I should do, so I figured I'd come here to get some decent help. However, note I said weightlifters and not bodybuilders, I'm not looking for one of those 280 pound guys who'll recommend I chug more protein shakes and do more squats.

So, does anyone out there have a good workout plan that I could at least try out? I've heard strength training is more beneficial than my normal hypertrophic training, in order to get better resting muscle tone (myogenic tone?) and hopefully someone will explain this. I'm seriously hitting a wall here, to the point that I'm contemplating buying that "Visual Impact Muscle Building/Shrink Wrap" program you see everywhere, if only to try something.

For all the TL;DR idiots: Been doing hypertrophic training, not working too well, any workout recommendations to get lean and ripped? My ideal build would be either Brad Pitt in "Troy", or Christian Bale in "American Psycho".
 
Sorry, but squats ARE your best friend here. Protein shakes are only a maybe...I mostly only use them when cutting to make up for the protein I miss out on by not slamming down cheeseburgers.

Since we don't know where you're at now, it's hard to give good advice, but something you'll do well to understand is that whether you want to be 150lb or 300lb, if you want to build muscle and get lean, you will most likely need to go through phases of cutting and bulking. Good bulking builds muscle, but a little bit of fat gain along side it is a necessary evil. Good cutting maintains muscle mass while getting rid of the excess fat accumulated from bulking. To bulk you have to lift and eat lots. To cut you have to keep lifting heavy weights but cut back the calorie intake.

Your program should consist (if it's at all possible and safe to do so) of squats, hinges (deadlifts, olympic lifts), pushes (bench press, overhead press, dips) and pulls (pull ups, rows). It doesn't need every exercise listed there, but it should contain every movement, and an even amount of work in each movement to build a proportionate body. The program I wrote in the stickies of this section will cover your exercise needs: http://training.fitness.com/young-athlete-development/young-athlete-development-program-50627.html

Nutrition-wise, whether cutting or bulking you should be consuming 1g/lb bodyweight/day in protein, and half as much in fat. Saturated fats aren't nearly as bad as they're made out to be, especially when you're training frequently. What you need to avoid are trans fats and the so-called "healthy" fats that you don't really know where they come from (have you ever seen a Canola plant? Me either, because there is no such thing). If 1/3 of your fat intake comes from saturated fats and 2/3 come from unsaturated fats where the source of the fat is obvious (eg olive oil), you'll do fairly well. Your fat intake should also include plenty of Omega 3.

Ideally, your protein and fat intake should come from real foods: all types of meat (fish and poultry are meat FFS, I hate it when people classify them as something seperate), dairy and eggs are your best sources. If you need any protein supplements on top of that to get your daily needs, use them. Nuts and legumes are also pretty good by vegetarian standards, but plant protein is still pretty crappy. Nuts are high in fat, so they can be useful for getting your fat needs, if for some strange reason you're falling short. If you're bulking, you'll probably want things like cashews, which you can eat 1,000,000 of and still be hungry, while if you're cutting you'll probably want things like almonds, which are hard to eat and filling.

Eat lots of fruit and vegetables. The more colours, and the deeper the colours, generally the better.

The rest of your energy will come from carbohydrates, which are highly present in grains (such as wheat, rice, corn and sugar), potatoes, fruit and dairy. Contrary to the food pyramid, grains are a relatively insignificant food group. They're helpful for giving you extra energy if you need it, but they're hardly a vital food group, so you can have as much or as little of them as you need.

Total energy in your diet relative to your energy output will determine whether you cut or bulk. Figure out your maintenance level of calories per day once factoring in training and activity (there are plenty of formulas out there, google it), and increase the number by 10% for bulking, or decrease by 10% for cutting. So long as you get your protein and fat needs, it's all good as to whether the rest of your calories come from fat, protein or carbs.

I'd recommend that you spend no more than 12 weeks at a time either bulking or cutting. The more time you spend bulking, the more time you'll have to spend cutting to get rid of the excess fat. The more time you spend cutting, the more time you'll spend hating it. In saying that, I wouldn't recommend any less than 4-6 weeks for either goal. Since I don't know where you're currently at, I can't say whether you should spend more time bulking vs cutting (you might be best off doing 3 months at a time of each, or doing 6 weeks of one followed by 12 weeks of the other, I dunno).

I hope this helps.
 
The whole section on proper dieting did help a bit, though I have heard it before, and generally I keep a pretty good lean diet. (generally aim for small meals throughout the day as much as possible) Perhaps I should've been more clear in regards to my current regiment: I'm actually not against squats or protein shakes, in fact both of them are usually a part of my routine, I just didn't want one of those guys who aspires to be the next Arnie to try and give me advice. I currently do a full-body workout every other day though, with a ton of pull-ups, chin-ups, bench press, flyes, dips, leg squats, curls, side lunges, etc. I also drink a protein shake after every workout in order to ensure I have a good amount of protein for immediate recovery.

And while I have been getting some results, I feel like I should be getting more out of the amount of effort that I put in. So, to clarify, what regiment would you recommend if I'm bulking? Is the type of full-body thing good, or should I do an every other day split, or perhaps even divide the days by body parts? Also, don't worry about any personal time constraints on my part, I just want to know what your personal suggestion would be in regards to those. Not only that, but should I train for strength (low reps, many sets), or plain size? (8-10 reps, 3 sets, what I'm currently doing) These are the main things that brought me here, because there are so many places that offer contradictory advice, yet seem to get results.

A good example of this is that program I mentioned, You can just skim it, but basically it talks about how you should mainly focus on strength training in order to build leaner muscle, because hypertrophic just gives you that large flabby look. I can't be inclined to either agree or disagree, but there are many people willing to testify that it works, even people who seem to know (specifically user ExtraCalories) You seem to have a very good grasp of what you're talking about, so I'd like you to weigh in on this whole thing.

I don't know if this will help or matter, but nutrition-wise I generally do eat a pretty good diet as well, snacking on as much fruit as I can throughout the day (apples and grapes mainly), while eating meats as often as possible, preferably lean such as turkey sandwiches even. (which can be difficult as a teen) I don't know if you're going to offer advice on changing anything, but I figured I'd throw it out there. In fact, one of my problems could be a lack of bulk due to eating less than I should, because of a fear of eating too much junk, which some of my meals are due to my parents still buying the food. Oddly though I seem to be in a stage where I'm not getting very cut, but I'm not getting very bulky either. Also, I'm currently 17 as of the 23rd, 6 foot, and 155 pounds, but would like to be around 180 pounds, with my goal being either this:
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To summarize if I haven't been clear enough: What kind of routine should I do? (full body every other day, full body split, body part per day), How many reps and sets should I do? (have been doing 8-10 reps for 3 increasingly difficult sets for quite a long time), and this isn't necessary but could probably help, How long should I wait before expecting to see noticeable results? So I know I'm doing everything correctly, rather than just making gains at a slower rate than I should be. That part can be kind of confusing when they say that the new Thor got to his massive size in around 6 months without having worked out before, meanwhile I struggle to see what gains I make. (not an ectomorph, I'm fairly certain of it) Regardless, thanks for all of the help.
 

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Having looked at the discussion on bb.com, ExtraCalories (despite his protests saying otherwise) seems to be either trying to sell something or prove something - probably very intelligent and has to be right 100% of the time, even if what he has to say is incorrect. Unfortunately, this has lead to his 3 whole posts on the forum showing that he's trying to present himself as an authority on fitness.

In reality, there is no authority on fitness. These things aren't as absolute as he makes it out to be, and the theory that he regurgitates in the thread is more bro-science than science-science. There are elements of truth to what he posts, but he's not entirely right. There's a case study in that thread - one of the people posting in it is a powerlifter, ie he trains to have epic 1RMs, who thoroughly disproves the absoluteness of ExtraCal's claims through who and what he is. If ExtraCalories were right, then tha shredda couldn't be strong and uncut, as he claims to be in the off-season.

In saying that, low-rep sets aren't worthless, neither are higher rep sets. Someone in the bb.com thread said that approximately 5-15 reps per set will generally work well for body composition goals, and I agree (in fact I was going to say the same thing, before seeing that it had already been said). The important thing is that you work on strength, whether it be maximal strength (1RM), explosive strength/power, or strength endurance. Contrary to what ExtraCalories says, you get stronger in all rep ranges. If you go from doing 15x100lb to 15x105lb, you've gotten stronger. If your 1RM goes from 150lb to 160lb, you've gotten stronger. If your dynamic effort (power) sets go from from 8x3x100lb to 8x3x105lb without losing speed, you've gotten stronger.

If you're neither bulky nor cut, then you have both low muscle mass and moderate-to-high fat mass. If you're able to measure your bodyfat percentage, my recommendation is that if it's 15% or higher, do strength training (3x8-10 is fine, 3x5 is fine, 5x3 is fine, 10x1 speed reps is fine, 2x15 is fine) and organise your diet so that you lose about 1lb/week. If it's 12% or lower, do strength training and organise your diet so that you gain about 1lb/week. If it's between 12 and 15%, take your pick of whether you want to gain more weight or lose weight right now.

Full body training is good. Bodypart splits are hit or miss. I find that if I only do an exercise once a week because I'm only doing that bodypart once a week, I actually get worse at the exercise (deadlifts and isolation exercises are the only exceptions). And if you're getting worse at the exercise, then you're probably not achieving anything with it. But that's me. I also prefer fullbody programs for beginners for the simple reason that, other than high frequency practice of the exercises they need to get good at, it requires you to be very selective with the exercises you choose if you want to be productive. On a fullbody routine, you don't have the luxury of hitting each muscle a dozen different ways to make sure you get it all done, so you have to work with training economy: What 1 or 2 exercises can I do to get the most bang for my buck? Thus the big 3 that VIMB says are bad become very smart choices - if you only do squats, bench press, overhead press, rows, Romanian deadlifts, calf raises and curls, you've trained the entire body very thoroughly and evenly. I'm pretty darn sure that in American Psycho, Mr Batman would have been doing all those exercises I just mentioned, or a similar combination of exercises.

You could do a bodypart split, but it requires more thinking, and most people will get their splits horribly fudged up because it's just that easy to make a split that's completely stupid. Fullbody is a safer bet at this stage.

My last thoughts, the maker of VIMB, now that I've had a brief look at the site and looked at the first video, is an assbutt. He makes out that curves are bad. But every major muscle, as it builds up, produces curves. Women have curves, sure. So do men. We're supposed to. Showing a bunch of pictures that fail to capture the models' backs or legs, or have shading that obscures the models' shape is dishonest, anyway. And comparing them to guys who are 40lb heavier than them is stupid - if you ever get to the point where you've got enough muscle mass and don't want any more, you just stop bulking, and from that point on you can do all the training in whatever method you so please, and you won't have to worry about getting any bigger. If you're not eating to get bigger, you will not get bigger. It's physically impossible.
 
This was all very helpful actually, thank you. One last question though, you mentioned training for different types of strength, what would be the rep/set range for explosive power? Anyways, thanks for all the help with this.
 
Depends a little bit on the exercise in question, but usually 5-10 sets of 1-5 reps with about 50%1RM, unless you use power-specific exercises, like the Olympic lifts, in which it's still lots of sets for few reps, but at a higher % of 1RM (after all, your 1RM snatch is still an explosive movement). The Westside guys typically use 10x2 for speed squats and 8x3 for speed bench press, starting each set on the minute (I think).
 
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