why are we so mad on supplements?

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why some people so mad on supplements?

this truly is a supplement crazed world we live in today, so far everyone i have spoken to about training has had some form of supplementation within their diet whether it be creatine, whey protien powder, egg white and milk powder, multivitamins etc. Why are people so reliant on supplements to get them through a normal day. Over the christmas period i decided to buy 4 tubs of protien powder and decided to conduct an experiment. I replaced two of my daily meals with a 50g whey and 22g carb shake, and religeously stuck to my resistance training schedule for 4 weeks. I lost 3lbs of mass over 4 weeks where as before i tried the shake i was reducing bodyfat and gaining muscle slowly and steadily.

I've been taking 100% creatine monohydrate powder for the last 2 weeks, loaded for the first five days and for the last 9 days have been taking 1 heaped teaspoon to a glass of water. In this time i have had no change to my 5 rep max on any muscle group, i'm still maxing at the same weight. The water retention is making my look slightly more defined but i want strength dammit :cool:
now i understand this is a 12 week cycle so 'm expecting some sort of increase over the next couple of weeks, but i doubt it will. After this creatine cycle i'm just sticking to eating and training hard like before, as it seemed to work alot better for me.
 
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Funny how you realize how much people rely on supps after yours don't work for you.. Protein is protein, so I'm not too sure why you would be expecting anymore of a gain from just switching, you probably dropped your total Kcal by replacing meals with shakes... As for creatine, it doesn't work for some people because they normally have high levels of creatine due to red meat and other foods. If the creatine hasn't worked for you yet, dump it.

Back to the whole supp thing.. People want the easy way out. If they can have more muscle or less fat by just poppin a pill or pokin their butt, consider it done. That's just the way people are, they want results, and they want them now. And most supplements will help them do that, well at least quicker. People who are serious soon realize that you can adjust your diet to do ALMOST anything a supp can do, but most people aren't serious.
 
supplement companies cater to those looking for the easy way, as mreik said. we have teenagers and just beginners overall who hit the supplement store before they hit the gym. they use creatine before they even do their first rep. why? they believe the ads in the magazines and the so-called "experts" who push them.

when ppl ask what supplements do we need or we have to take the answer is of course none at all. but if they are going to spend their money, might as well do it on those that are proven and can actually benefit them like vitamins, minerals, protein, fish oil, etc.

only thing i really cant train without is glucosamine. having pain and having no pain is like the difference b/w night and day. ;)
 
If you are simply mixing creatine monohydrate with water, you may be missing the boat on any gains you could be making based on the use of this supplement. It should also be combined with dextrose/glucose to trigger an insulin response making creatine transport more effective. Lots of folks mix it with grape juice for this reason.
 
As long as you take creatine post workout, it'll be absorbed just fine, regardless of any dextrose or lack there of.

However you seem to think that creatine is some kind of miracle powder, and you're also buying into a lot fo the bull**** marketing hype.

Facts:
1. creatine aids in energy transport. it doesn't magically make you stronger, so no, I don't expect your max bench to go up after a week of loading...but I would expect you to feel not quite so energy depleted.

2. Loading isn't necessary.

3. cycling isn't necessary. take it 365 days a year, it won't hurt you to do so.

4. a carb transport isn't needed. after a hard workout the body WANTS creatine, and will soak it right up. Take 5g post workout in your protein shake. Add dextrose if you want, but understand taht its real purpose is to replenish glycogen.
 
mreik said:
Funny how you realize how much people rely on supps after yours don't work for you.. Protein is protein, so I'm not too sure why you would be expecting anymore of a gain from just switching, you probably dropped your total Kcal by replacing meals with shakes... As for creatine, it doesn't work for some people because they normally have high levels of creatine due to red meat and other foods. If the creatine hasn't worked for you yet, dump it.

Back to the whole supp thing.. People want the easy way out. If they can have more muscle or less fat by just poppin a pill or pokin their butt, consider it done. That's just the way people are, they want results, and they want them now. And most supplements will help them do that, well at least quicker. People who are serious soon realize that you can adjust your diet to do ALMOST anything a supp can do, but most people aren't serious.
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I didnt say i was expecting gains from the shake, which was only 7kcals of of what i normaly ate at that particular time of day, but 20gs of protien more. i said i steadily started to lose mass when i was on these shakes. why would this happen? My dad used to be a boxer back in the 70's, ****in hell you should have seen his haircut back then lol. he was a big bloke, amatuer heavyweight on the local club circuit. (pot belly now tho) Hes always been a firm believer in you are what you eat and being of italian origin he always ate healthy foods and alot of it. we're both naturally big as was my Grandad R.I.P. In my dads training days he just used to eat big, lift and train big and looked and performed great in the ring, until he got knocked the **** out back in 79 but lets not get off the subject lol. He never took a single supplement and still believes today that they are a serious waste of money and time. I sort of agree with him to an extent, hence why i tried this 'bodyfortress' protien shake mix which actually helped me to lose muscle
 
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malkore said:
As long as you take creatine post workout, it'll be absorbed just fine, regardless of any dextrose or lack there of.

However you seem to think that creatine is some kind of miracle powder, and you're also buying into a lot fo the bull**** marketing hype.

Facts:
1. creatine aids in energy transport. it doesn't magically make you stronger, so no, I don't expect your max bench to go up after a week of loading...but I would expect you to feel not quite so energy depleted.

2. Loading isn't necessary.

3. cycling isn't necessary. take it 365 days a year, it won't hurt you to do so.

4. a carb transport isn't needed. after a hard workout the body WANTS creatine, and will soak it right up. Take 5g post workout in your protein shake. Add dextrose if you want, but understand taht its real purpose is to replenish glycogen.
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lol miracle powder, i dont think that at all. i read the basics on it being an energy source and decided to try it as the deadlifts do leave me bolloxed. the whole idea of creatine sourced from Anthony Ellis's site and he claimed it aided him in gaining 30lbs of mass in 12 weeks without steroids lol as if, but i've decided to try anyway
 
the best thing creatine does, is helps you get the most out of your workout. so if your form is good, routine is good, and diet is proper, creatine in-directly helps you pack on more muscle (I'm ignoring any water weight gained while on creatine, since it's not lean mass, and not everyone gets the water bloat).
 
some of us have difficulty eating enough food to get enough of the good stuff into us. I eat very slowly and get full quickly.
 
I just started drinking Whey protein drinks, BLEH!!!, I cant seem to become accustomed to the nasty taste of fake vanilla, and it doesnt even supply as many grams of proteins as my 6 scrambled eggs for breakfast does. So why should i drink it?
 
Bump on the fish oil, multi vitamin, multi mineral, and glucosamine. I'm also an avid fan of wheat grass caps, MSM, hylluronic acid, and GABA.

Half gallon of keifer, half gallon-gallon of milk daily, 1 cup of pumpkin seeds plus food meals takes care of my need for added whey even though I have tubs and tubs of the stuff laying around (benefit of having a part time job in sports nutrition).
 
Main Supplement Staples for me:
1. Protein blend
2. Recovery Drink (Protein/carbs)
3. Fish Oil
4. Creatine
5. Greens+

I am starting Glocosamine/Chondroition again soon and see if it affects me.
 
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Bump on the fish oil, multi vitamin, multi mineral, and glucosamine. I'm also an avid fan of wheat grass caps, MSM, hylluronic acid, and GABA.

Half gallon of keifer, half gallon-gallon of milk daily, 1 cup of pumpkin seeds plus food meals takes care of my need for added whey even though I have tubs and tubs of the stuff laying around (benefit of having a part time job in sports nutrition).
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evo you drink more than my ****in car lol dont you feel bloated at all?
 
I never feel bloated unless I ate beans.

But seriously, bloating is a good sign of poor digestion. Are you drinking plenty of water with your meals, and inbetween? Hows the fiber intake?

It seems commonplace for soy protein to give peopel the bloat...yet another reason not to rely to heavily on it..but whey and casein shouldn't cause issues on their own.

Also, vanilla is often a not so great flavor for protein IME. Chocolate is usually safe. Most of Opt. Nutrition brand is tastey enough, as is Nitrean by AtLargeNutrition.com

If you think its bad now, you shoulda seen it 10 years ago. Chunky shakes even when mixed in a blender, and they tasted horrid.
 
nah i'm ok malk i'm good with the diet at the moment cheers for the advice though i only get bloated after a late night curry :cool:
 
malkore said:
I never feel bloated unless I ate beans.

But seriously, bloating is a good sign of poor digestion. Are you drinking plenty of water with your meals, and inbetween? Hows the fiber intake?

It seems commonplace for soy protein to give peopel the bloat...yet another reason not to rely to heavily on it..but whey and casein shouldn't cause issues on their own.

Also, vanilla is often a not so great flavor for protein IME. Chocolate is usually safe. Most of Opt. Nutrition brand is tastey enough, as is Nitrean by AtLargeNutrition.com

If you think its bad now, you shoulda seen it 10 years ago. Chunky shakes even when mixed in a blender, and they tasted horrid.
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Uhhh..I do remember that stuff, used to smell like celery and taste nasty, texture was like drinking one of those fiber laxatives...(insert dry heave here)
 
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very true

I ran into this website the guy is totally against supps. for the most part. due to their unknown long term health risks & various other problems that may occur. I say just eat and train hard as well, this means taking each set to failier adding drop sets ect . I know when I first started lifting I lived inside of GNC I looked at the guy behind the counter and thought that he would give me all of the answers that i needed I know. now he just wanted my hard earned cash. The site I am talking about has got a great work out program and eating program I like it a lot and have seen some great gains for the program ( I am not affiliated with the program in any way other than purchasing it) musclenow.com
 
For me, it's all about convience. I work 40 hours, go to school full time, and coach semi-pro ball 30+ hours a week while still bein a husband and father. I ain't got time to cook 6 meals a day, so I drink shakes.

I fell in love with Optimum Nutrition's Anabolic Milk, but to my dismay, I went to re-order and the damn product's been discontinued!

So I'm tryin Muscle Milk. Read some reviews/reasearch on it, and it sounds pretty good. I'll let yall know.
 
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