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I take in 130 g or less carbs a day.
I was having a look at these low-carb tortillas that I bought and the Total carb is 11g, not to bad. But then I look and next to that and there is this equation;
11g (carbs) - 8g (dietary fiber) = 3g ECC (effective carb count) or "net carbs".
So, when counting up to 130 durring the day, if I have one of these should I add 11 or 3?
 
In my opinion, don't count it. Fiber doesn't trigger an insulin reaction, nor is it used for energy.
If you're still not sure, just split the difference and call it 6g of carbs.

just check the ingredients for anything strange or bad. a tortilla that low in carbs is either tiny, or using some kind of vegetable protein...is my guess.
 
atkins huh? Let me let you in on a little secret, atkins is worthless, if carbs had anything to do with fat, I would look like a blimp. As for the counting the fat, fiber, and carbs, thats also a fad diet and will get you no where quick. Let me tell you how I know, I eat on a daily basis for the last two years 4-6 cans of soda a day, and 1-3 bagles, this adds up to a minimum of 388 carbs a day just with that alone, I'm 5'8" and 125 lbs, granted I have a higher metabolism than most, it's by no means double. If I lived by this standard I could eat like 5 pounds of bacon and 16 hamburger patties. Then I would be both sick and fat, thus proving atkins a blatent fraud and a sham.

But putting that aside lets get you some help loosing weight the way that wont hurt your liver and your heart. Look at calories, fat and sodium. Sodium may not make you fat, but if your fat chances are you have high blood presure, salt {NaCl \ sodium} raises blood presure.

Try to stay withing 1500 calories a day, and try to eat so that whatever you do eat has about 10%-15% fat, okay? Because yes fat is a bad thing, in large quantities. When done like this with cardio vascular exersizes, you can get yourself looking pretty good.

Well with all that out of the way, can I ask your height\weight, and also your goal of weight loss? Sence you are on the atkins I assume your trying to loose weight.
 
I'm not on Atkins. I was just wondering if this "net carb" idea has any real basis.
I'm 6'3 155 lb, my goal has allways been to get it the best shape I can, I'm on my way.

Carbs can produce stored fat. It's a fact. You can't say "this is the way it is" just from your own personal experiences.
 
I don't know, I've heard of the "Exchange program" I believe is what the diet is called, but it is a fad diet, it like the atkins is bound to die out. The atkins diet will let you loose 15 lbs or so but the damage it does is pretty bad and the weight that is lost will be quickly gained back and exceeded if you don't continue the diet. Though few long term studies have been done on this fad diet, because....its a fad, it hasn't been around long, well it has been around a while, but hasn't been "popular" long. So very few if any long term studies have been done, but the ones I've read that have been done, havn't said that it was a very good diet.
 
|OCS|Virus said:
If I lived by this standard I could eat like 5 pounds of bacon and 16 hamburger patties. Then I would be both sick and fat, thus proving atkins a blatent fraud and a sham.
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Hhahahahhaha...But atleast you'll still be able to prove the man wrong. Keep fighting the good fight OCS.
 
|OCS|Virus said:
atkins huh? Let me let you in on a little secret, atkins is worthless, if carbs had anything to do with fat, I would look like a blimp. As for the counting the fat, fiber, and carbs, thats also a fad diet and will get you no where quick. Let me tell you how I know, I eat on a daily basis for the last two years 4-6 cans of soda a day, and 1-3 bagles, this adds up to a minimum of 388 carbs a day just with that alone, I'm 5'8" and 125 lbs, granted I have a higher metabolism than most, it's by no means double. If I lived by this standard I could eat like 5 pounds of bacon and 16 hamburger patties. Then I would be both sick and fat, thus proving atkins a blatent fraud and a sham.

But putting that aside lets get you some help loosing weight the way that wont hurt your liver and your heart. Look at calories, fat and sodium. Sodium may not make you fat, but if your fat chances are you have high blood presure, salt {NaCl \ sodium} raises blood presure.

Try to stay withing 1500 calories a day, and try to eat so that whatever you do eat has about 10%-15% fat, okay? Because yes fat is a bad thing, in large quantities. When done like this with cardio vascular exersizes, you can get yourself looking pretty good.

Well with all that out of the way, can I ask your height\weight, and also your goal of weight loss? Sence you are on the atkins I assume your trying to loose weight.
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you're an ectomorph - all bodies are different

what you can get away with proves nothing
 
As long as you replenish your glycogen stores regularly low carb is good for you!

Atkins is not a fad. Atkins was not even invented by atkins - atkins just happened to have the marketing skills to bring it back to the public eye!

Trainers such as Gironda were using the low carb principle for years before Atkins sufraced, and the idea itself originated from a man called William Banting!
 
Still doesn't answer my question. I looked it up on web MD and many people say that you should count the net carb instead of the total carb. But still I have no proof that this actually works.
 
bloc said:
Carbs can produce stored fat. It's a fact. You can't say "this is the way it is" just from your own personal experiences.
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And protien can produce stored fat
and fat can produce stored fat

this is why the fAtkins diet was just a fad...because it was based on untruths surrounding carb myths.
 
Yea, I'm no fan of Atkins. I ask a question though, yet to be answered, when counting carbs, should you count the TOTAL carb or the NET (carb - fiber) carb?
 
*Sigh* well sence you are adiment about doing atkins, I would count the highest number, anything less would be fooling yourself. But I repeat that atkins is a worthless and indeed harmfull diet, don't use it, but in the interest of your question use the highest number.
 
Actually, and again I repeat, I'm not doing atkins. Just because you're counting the # of carbs you eat does not mean that you're doing atkins. It's called dieting I believe.
I looked this up, it is actual science. I asked a bio major I know, they actually teach the explanation behind the "net carb" thing in college. It almost like drinking diet pop. These carbs, which are nothing more than fiber that you cannot digest, are just added to the "total carb count", so you'd be cheating your body of energy if you counted that, the highest number, while counting carbs.
There are 50 calories in these low carb tortillas I bought.
3g fat = 18 calories
11g TOTAL carb = 44 calories
5g protein = 20 calories
.. but wait 18 + 44 + 20 = 82 calories. How's that? Are they liars?
Well, take the TOTAL carb and minus the crap that can't be digested (aka dietary fiber) and you get 3g of carbs.
So, the math:
18 + 12 + 20 = 50 calories. Gosh, would ya look at that. I'm pretty sure labels don't lie.
Unless the people you generate these facts, I assume the FDA, are in on some big carb conspiracy.
 
Sorry of accusing you of being atkins I failed to read the above post before I made my own. Carbs perhaps can be derived from fibers, protiens, ect, I don't know, mostly because I've never heard of it before, but it is also irrelivant if your trying to loose weight.

If you starve yourself of anything your body is just going to freak out and when you do get that item in this case carbs your starved yourself of then your body will hold onto them as if it's life depended on it, because your body thinks {kind of an oxymoronic statement I know} its' life really does depend on it causing a massive regain in fat, if you should ever get carbs again.

Can you show where you got your information for translating carbs, fiber, ect into calories? Would make interesting reading, though I doubt it would have any real relivance in dieting, it would be interesting to see if it is true and the body does translate fiber into calories.
 
Look at the nutriton labels on things high in fiber (fiber is listed below total carb), convert the grams of carbs, protein, and fat into calories. The # you get should be higher than the # of calories listed on the label. Add all those up again only subtract the dietary fiber from the # of the carbs and the # you get should be equal to the # of calories listed on the label. That proves it.
1g of carb = 4 calories 1g of fat = 9 calories 1g of protein = 4 calories
That is also listed on most nutrition labels.
 
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