Weight Training + Anaerobic together = Overtrain ?

[Wildapple]

So ... my question is very simple . Has anyone else tried doing (hard) weight training and then Anaerobic exercise for 15-20 mins?In theory is actually very good . First, u do hard Weight Training which uses all energy from carbs(glyco.... smth like that) and then u do Anaerobic which will use fat as fuel. But in theory, everything works . And what if u get overtrain??

So any opinions ?

Thanx in advance

Wildapple

 

[Karky]

So ... my question is very simple . Has anyone else tried doing (hard) weight training and then Anaerobic exercise for 15-20 mins?In theory is actually very good . First, u do hard Weight Training which uses all energy from carbs(glyco.... smth like that) and then u do Anaerobic which will use fat as fuel. But in theory, everything works . And what if u get overtrain??

So any opinions ?

Thanx in advance

Wildapple

Do you mean aerobic? Anaerobic is without oxygen, without oxygen the body's ability to burn fat is hampered as the body can't burn fatty acids without oxygen.

I'm not really a fan of the whole "do anything so that the body will burn fat" kind of thinking. IMO, it's mostly just calories in vs calories out, at least until you reach more of an advanced stage where you can start thinking about carb cycling, etc.

Also, working out when the glycogen stores are depleted will make your body burn more protein, since it converts protein to glucose. If there aren't a lot of amino acids in your system from a protein meal, then the body could start going after it's own muscle.

 

[g8r80]

That sounds like a recipe for bonking.

 

[Chillen]

So ... my question is very simple . Has anyone else tried doing (hard) weight training and then Anaerobic exercise for 15-20 mins?In theory is actually very good . First, u do hard Weight Training which uses all energy from carbs(glyco.... smth like that) and then u do Anaerobic which will use fat as fuel. But in theory, everything works . And what if u get overtrain??

So any opinions ?

Thanx in advance

Wildapple

Recoverability can be severely effected with some volumes/intensity of training on some severe diets (such as "some" very low calorie/low carbohydrates). To say one cannot over train, is false.

There can be exceptions with one having a methodical approach and purpose, such as running this sort of diet (with the primary purpose to deplete glucose stores, and lower body fat-with the right person), but this may not eliminate the side effects, and recoverability is still effected.

When I wanted to lose the last portion of body fat that was (at one time) giving me a difficult friggen time (after trying a series of other approaches), it was one of the most difficult experiences in my diet and training ever.

My calories were low, my carbohydrates were extremely low, when I was performing my "second" glucose depleting workout, it was one of the most awful experiences I ever felt. During the process of training, I wanted to vomit, I was light headed, felt sick, got dizzy and became off balance, and over all energy just sucked major and complete balls.

And, it was my DIET causing the majority of the symptoms.

However, I pushed through because I expected it as a few of the side effects of extremely low carbohydrate consumption prior to/during the switch. You have to understand something though. The "purpose" was not to build muscle (I wasn't necessarily in the "state" for this at the time), the purpose, was to lower glucose stores through proper diet and training, to lose the last fatty portion I wanted off. So, I had a "purpose" and expected and wanted to be in this state.

However, some can dig their own recoverability graves through bad diets (too low of calories, etc), and the volume, length, frequency, and intensity exceeds their personal capacity to recover. Yes, their needs to be some depravity (in calories, etc), to solicit fat loss, and recoverability isn't going to be optimal, but one just has to be wise in their approach in diet/exercise, and not make it any worse.........than necessary, and continue progressing with their personal goals.


Best wishes,

Chillen

 

[Karky]

Chillen, he's asking about depleting glycogen stores with weight training, then doing anaerobic cardio afterwards while in a glycogen depleted state.. not depleting glycogen by diet

 

[Chillen]

So ... my question is very simple . Has anyone else tried doing (hard) weight training and then Anaerobic exercise for 15-20 mins?

If you meant aerobics after weight training (and sometimes before), the answer is yes, I have, with various calorie and macro manipulations in the process. The diet is the mechanics of one's progress in the gym and personal results.

Additionally, most have to experiment to see what works for them. There is no such thing as a cookie cutter diet/training that will work for everyone.

In theory is actually very good . First, u do hard Weight Training which uses all energy from carbs(glyco.... smth like that) and then u do Anaerobic which will use fat as fuel. But in theory, everything works . And what if u get overtrain??

So any opinions ?

Thanx in advance

Again, I think you meant: aerobics as your word choice .

What are your personal fitness goals? And, one cannot simply deduce a cardio session as using fat as fuel, without considering the overall dynamics of the session, AND ones diet (circumference) during the course of the day. The diet can simply wipe-out one's efforts during cardio (regarding fat loss).

Do you know how to configure your personal calories? What do you have to train with? Again, what are your personal goals?

If you be more specific, we may be able to assist you more .


Best wishes

Chillen

 

[Hoss]

To debunk this, you're not going to deplete glycogen stores from a normal 45-60min workout.

 

[Chillen]

To debunk this, you're not going to deplete glycogen stores from a normal 45-60min workout.

And, I agree. I tend to do about three (dependent). And, the reps/sets also change during this time (at this placement within my goal) as compared to the norm. I tend to do higher rep ranges for each body part, and tend to follow some protocols as set out in some of Lyle's books (with some modifications), and respond well. Depleting glucose stores "fully anyway", can be a difficult experience for some, and it isn't for the weak of fitness heart.


Best regards,

Chillen

 

[Karky]

To debunk this, you're not going to deplete glycogen stores from a normal 45-60min workout.

that's very true. Also, glycogen depletion is local, isn't it? If I work my chest, the glycogen stores in my tighs won't get depleted.

 

[Chillen]

that's very true. Also, glycogen depletion is local, isn't it? If I work my chest, the glycogen stores in my tighs won't get depleted.

Karks, you in a good mood, today? LOL

Best wishes

Chillen

 

[Wildapple]

OK, thank you all for responding ! ! ! :yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao:
Ill try to be more specific this time :azzangel: .

->I used to be 200 pounds and over 22% BF almost 2 months ago but now .........

Physical Characteristics :

- Male , 19 years old
- 5.71 ft tall
- 185 pounds
- BF : i estimate over 19%
- I lost little over 4 inches from my belly :cool3::cool3:

So ... my goal(s) is get down to 168 pounds and then start building up my body . Im going to the gym 4-5 times a week and i follow a program i made which looks like this :

1 hour full upper body Weight Training

example for biceps (concentration curls)
- 12 x (lets say 50lb)
- 10 x (50+10lb)
- 8 x (60+5lb)
- 6 x (65 +5lb)
- 12 x (55 lb)
- 12 x (*lb) of another exercise for biceps (maybe hammer curls)
The last two sets are very very difficult !

I do this cycle (i mean the sets reps ) for chest , triceps , and back . Something like this goes for Full lower body Workout on the next day.

After i finish Weight Training im doing Moderate to High aerobic exercise (duh Anaerobic*:O ) for another 20 mins and finish .


Nutrition :
-Clean DIET . I eat around 5-6 meals a day . I always try to balance each meal (prot/carbs/good fat/) .

Ex.

Meal 1: Oats with milk(0.1% fat) / nuts / flaxseed powder
Meal 2: Alpen Cereals( 90% oats / nuts ... ) and milk(0.1%)
Meal 3: Beans or Chicken breast or pasta with lean meat or ... all with salad
Meal 4/2 hours before GYM : oats with milk
Meal 5 : Something realy light (<300 cals)

Daily Calories < 2000 (little low)
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Well im just wondering if this program can be good .Over the last 2 months, i was changing everything after 2 weeks . I plateau around 10 days ago and now i think i got over it . I need to find something that will help me more .Just need opinions and some tips about Fitness Training . Im losing fat but there are times i think ill never achieve what i want . Still i ll always continue . Whatever it takes ill hit my GOAL!!

Thanks in advance

Wildapple