Weight loss truths - not myths

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Do not skip meals - eat steadily all day for optimal results

- if you skip meals, especially breakfast, you are running on empty. Your brain needs energy just as much as your body. Eating constantly throughout the day keeps a steadily available source of energy available for burning.

Note on "fat burning zone"
- don't get fooled with the fat burning zone. your body burns more fat in the cardio zone than the fat burning zone. It's just that the fat burning zone burns mostly fat, as compared to the cardio zone, which burns all sources of energy.

carbs at night - bad
- correction - i have read a few more articles on this and will adjust my thoughts. I had gone under this assumption for a long time, but what happens when people cut out the carbs at night is that they are really adjusting their caloric intake to normal or below normal calories, hence the benefits.
 
I disagree at the last one.
 
Technically you are slightly off about burning muscle. The stored energy does not only come from fat but from glycogen, proteins, carbohydrates and muscle tissue.

The first thing the body burns is protein, mainly because protein cannot be stored in the body. Proteins from alcohol are burned first followed by other proteins. These nutrients are dispersed in the bloodstream and any excess is channeled towards the excretory system to be removed from the body. Thus, you can rarely complain that your body has too much protein. Next, the body burns carbohydrates, both simple and complex, with glycogen being its main form. Glycogen is sugar stored mostly in the liver and controls blood sugar levels as well as providing most of the energy the body needs. Once glycogen has been used up, the body then burns up fat, breaking it down into smaller units to be absorbed in the blood stream. Muscle comes last. Thus, the answer to the question ‘does the body burn fat or muscle first’ is fat.

The idea that the body burns muscle first before fat may come from the fact that glycogen is also stored in muscle tissues. However, it is the glycogen in them and not the tissues themselves that get burned. In fact, some nutritionists and health experts claim that burning muscle tissues is not healthy. Muscles, after all, are necessary to perform body functions. If the muscles burn first, there would be little use in building and toning them to burn fat since that would mean they are used up first before the fat they are supposed to help break down.

(note: this info is from bodybuildingtips.com. I'm looking for info from another location to give more solid backup but I know the glycogen is correct)
 
Do not skip meals - eat steadily all day for optimal results

- if you skip meals, especially breakfast, you are running on empty. Your brain needs energy just as much as your body. Eating constantly throughout the day keeps a steadily available source of energy available for burning.

The data that article refers to is correlative in nature. To really make blanket recommendations like this (the kind that states, EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS), you need to present causative data. And you'll be hard pressed to find it.

The bottom line with regards to meal frequency is simple:

If calories and nutrients are matched... eat the meal frequency that suits you (the individual) best. For some this might mean 2 meals per day. For others this might mean 7 meals per day. We've seen enough anecdotal data to suggest that asking, "what's the best meal frequency?" is beyond a loaded question as what's best for me may not be best for you.

We've got a huge camp of people following intermittent fasting, for example, who are doing extremely well in many metrics including level of content, productivity, body composition, strength, etc. For these folks, loading up their calorie/nutrient intake, all of it, around their training and fasting the remaining hours of the day works well.

I work with many folks and over the years it has become abundantly clear that, especially when comparing 3 vs. 6 feedings per day, it simply doesn't matter much.

I hate relying on appeals to authority, so let me just say if you're interested in some links to research debunking this... I'll gladly forward it along to ya.

And Sean, the only reason I speak up regarding this is simple:

The 6 meals per day myth has been perpetuated over and over and over to a point where we have "dieters" stressing the hell out because they're having troubles fitting their 6 feedings per day into their schedules.

a) If it's not going to make a difference in terms of results, why stress over something if it's not working for YOU. I'd rather have them worrying about the fundamentals that do in fact make a significant difference in their results.

b) We are beginning to see clearly via research the role systemic stress plays in causing bad things to happen overall so avoiding adding unnecessary stress (mental or physiological) is paramount when it comes to dieting.

your body does not burn fat by default as it is not a readily available energy source.

Can you explain this a bit?

Muscle is much more accessible as energy than fat

And this?

Bioenergetics is a heavily studied field and we know quite a bit about it. Outside starvation... muscle is the least likely tissue to be oxidized and used for fuel.

Also, in most of the stickies around here you'll see recommendations for eating adequate amounts of protein and performing some resistance training while you diet.

These two measures minimize the chances of losing significant amounts of muscle.

But even without that... I'm interested in hearing further explanation from you about what exactly you mean.

, so if you let all your food turn to fat, then you will be burning muscle.

Let your food turn to fat?

Genetics primarily dictate calorie partitioning... that is where calories are stored and pulled from. By and large, you aren't going to have a say in the matter.

That's why even obese folks carrying around 100s of extra pounds have a significant amount of lean body mass. They were more than likely entirely sedentary yet every pound they gained from their unhealthy lifestyles had a significant portion going toward lean body mass.

Genetics are the primary driver of partitioning.

eating a lot of carbs at night is wasted carbs. You might as well just eat the same amount of calories in fat. Your body doesn't need those calories while sleeping, so the majority of those get turned to fat

Timing of nutrients matters pretty little in the grand scheme. There are certain "windows of opportunities" that working out provides where calories are more likely to positively impact body composition and partitioning.

However, by and large, assuming calories and nutrients are accounted for... when you eat your allotted nutrients isn't going to matter much if at all.

Now looking specifically at what you said here:

"Your body doesn't need those calories while sleeping, so the majority of those get turned to fat"

Do you realize that the largest component of caloric need is basal functions, otherwise referred to as BMR? Total caloric needs can be summed up as:

BMR + TEA + TEF + SPA

BMR = basal metabolic rate

TEA = Thermic effect of activity

TEF = Thermic effect of feeding

SPA = Spontaneous physical activity

BMR is by far the most significant or largest component of this equation. And while you're sleeping, your body still has basal functions to ensure survival.

And calories only get turned to fat (permanently) if you're eating hypercalorically. By that, I'm saying if you're in a net calorie deficit, even if you ate all of your allotted carbs during the evening... you're not going to store net fat since you're body doesn't have adequate energy coming in the door to maintain the tissues it currently has. It's not going to bend the rules and create something out of nothing.

I'm rambling quite a bit here. And I very well could be misunderstanding some of what you're suggesting. If that's the case, hopefully you can clarify some of your statements. I was simply somewhat confused by this new sticky given the fact that we have stickies on this board that directly refute some of the claims being made here.

I don't want members being anymore confused than they already are given that crappy state this industry is already in.

So hopefully us hashing out the details will lead to more clarity for all.
 
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I disagree at the last one.
not a good source. news stations are not trustworthy. they are the same ones that talk about all the fad diets and how well they work. don't be fooled .. they make money with this stuff ... i haven't actually looked at the source yet ... just saying :)
 
ok, maybe the sticky needs a little more explaining ... but lets start with this, as I've stated before ... I'm not pushing for 6 meals over 3 ... I like 6 meals (really only 5), but I know 3 is just as good. However, I will fight tooth & nail over 2.

And calories only get turned to fat (permanently) if you're eating hypercalorically.
... true ... but the calories you burn by eating incorrectly can cause this state because your metabolism slows down.

As for the muscle stuff ... you are right. I always say muscle, when I mean protein. It was a mistake I always made in school and apparently still making it.
 
The study you reference is about CHILDREN.

It says:

Research shows that skipping breakfast results in reduced learning, reduced attention and poor food choices for the rest of the day. Children who skip breakfast are more likely to be overweight which in the long term can lead to the development of chronic health issues.

"Children who miss out on breakfast are also less likely to get the recommended intake of dairy, fruit and vegetables," she said.

Not one of them said anything about increasing or maintaining metabolism. It points out that the reason skipping breakfast leads to obesity is because those children often don't get enough of the recommended intake of dairy, fruit and veggies, not because their metabolisms have been affected.

And again CHILDREN - not adults.

I've provided lots of sources about skipping meals - including university study and a pubmed link. Can you provide ONE where it says that skipping meals or going 5 hours w/out eating causes obesity.
 
not a good source. news stations are not trustworthy. they are the same ones that talk about all the fad diets and how well they work. don't be fooled .. they make money with this stuff ... i haven't actually looked at the source yet ... just saying :)

If it was just CBS news, I'd agree but it's backed by WedMD. That's why I used it.



I'm wondering just how much of this debating is about definitions instead of theories and facts?
 
It's nice that you guys all have a place to discuss and banter about what is right and has the most sources, since you have been using others posts for your discussions, even if they may have been relevant, but this needs unstickied now.

It's not helpful or informative.

I have been reading this forum off and on for almost 5 years and this isn't going to help anyone.

So, can you guys discuss what information you want stickied and settle this before new members start reading it like gospel?

Awesome.
 
Steve really said everything I would have posted, but I'll also add my personal experience to the thread. Feeling that I had to eat breakfast for my health/weight loss helped keep me fat for years. At 35, I finally decided to listen to my body and stopped eating breakfast just because I am "supposed" to.

I used to be obsessive about healthy eating and food in general, and was 60+ pounds overweight. I would eat a healthy breakfast and then think of nothing but food food food for the rest of the day. Inevitably I would indulge in an unhealthy afternoon snack (usually chips and a chocolate bar) or if I made it through work "on plan", I would end up stuffing my face at night.

Now, I eat a breakfast-like meal (steel cut oats) usually around 11 am, sometimes as late as 12-12:30. I usually eat my last meal about 6-7 pm, so I supposed some would call this fasting, though I don't really think of it that way. It's just eating when it works for me.

Go figure, I now have a healthy appetite and don't get ravenous, and I don't obsess about food all day. I am happy and satisfied on 1300-1800 kcals/day (depending on my activity level) and I have steadily and easily dropped weight at a rate of 1-2 pounds per week. I'm 5'4" and am down to 142 from 205. I have done nothing different or remarkable to lose the weight, other than deciding to stop fighting my body's inclinations because everyone else said I should.
 
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