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Hi, was wondering if any of you are vegetarians or vegans and if so maybe we can share some ideas?

Things i like to eat:

chickpea curry (not the best cos pretty high in calories due to a balti curry paste i use but it tastes soooo good! great for a treat! :p )
lentil curry (this one i make from scratch so put in only fresh ingredients and herbs and spices)
vegetable stew / soup (homemade, consists of potato, carrots, turnip, leeks, onion, celery)
mixed bean chilli
mixed bean salad
tofu salad

bean burgers (homemade) with salad
sweet potato with cottage cheese and chopped onion usually with a vegetable or two or sometimes a "vegetarian steak"

do any of you have any suggestions for other meals? i don't eat any kind of meat at all. my main problem is i find myself eating quite a high carb diet at times because of the bread, pasta and rice i eat but i've cut that down pretty significantly so far.

a while ago i started eating tuna again (simply because as far as i can see it's a FANTASTIC food nutritionally) but only lasted a few days cos i couldn't stomach the fleshyness of it (even tho i actually loved the taste of it). plus it's against my ethics. i just can't do it. i've been looking for a vegetarian alternative to tuna and found a recipe for a chickpea thing (chickpeas, carrot, celery, onion, a little mayonnaise, mustard and sweet pickle relish all mashed up in a food processor) and it's pretty yummy in a sandwich with lettuce and tomato or as part of a salad but i don't think it can match tuna for nutritional value. any ideas?

thanks fellow veggies (or non-veggies with veggie ideas :) )
 
Hi!

I am also a vegetarian and have been for almost 20 years. Protein is indeed a challenge for vegetarians; mostly because society is not very vegetarian friendly, so we grow up with a certain image of what a meal is. There are a lot of great ideas for protein sources and you look like you are on the right track! :)

Veggie patties or burgers are great sources of low fat protein (I like Ives vegetable patties; they have 12 grams of protein per patty and only 76 calories)
Veggie Dogs Not one of my favorites, but my kids love them
Black Beans Amazingly versatile and packed with protein, iron, zinc and lots of other goodies! Mix it with brown rice for a complete protein source.
Ground Soy This stuff is amazing and very versatile. I use it in spaghetti sauce, lasagna, tacos or sloppy Joes. (Again I prefer the Ives brand, but Boca makes a good one too)
Soy milk Lots of protein and most are packed full of other stuff like calcium
Kashi Cereal 14 grams of protein per cup; add milk and you’re at 20 grams!


I hope these ideas help you. By the way, Tuna may have lots of protein in it, but the amount of toxins present in Tuna and most other fish, just doesn’t make it worth it. ;)
 
mostly because society is not very vegetarian friendly, so we grow up with a certain image of what a meal is.
I have nothing against vegetarianism or veganism (except perhaps for those who have an ethical issue with eating red meat, but not with fish or white meat) but I wouldn't say that society isn't very vegetarian friendly, but rather that the evolution of the human species wasn't.

By nature humans are omnivorous, and our bodies have adapted to optimally absorb both plant matter and animal matter. If you're familiar with the the evolution of gastrointestinal systems in animals, you should be familiar with this phenomenon: the physiology of creatures who are vegetarian are adapted only to require those nutrients found in plant matter to the total exclusion of animal matter. The physiology of creatures who are carnivorous are adapted only to require those nutrients found in animal matter to the total exclusion of plant matter.

As omnivores we have quite a bit of leeway, but I would go so far as to theorize that our bodies have adapted to require both plant and animal matter - hence our high protein requirements.

Of course, there are plenty of great vegetarian (and fewer vegan) sources of protein that are available in every grocery store I've ever been to. Of course, the lack or benefit of these isn't so much a societal issue as it is specifically an economic issue. As vegans/vegetarians spend more money on vegan/vegetarian products, the more these types of products will be made. Fortunately, vegetarians have become fairly mainstream. Vegans, on the other hand, are such a relatively small segment that it'll be a little while before people really "get it".
 
25 years for me. i do eat eggs and other dairy products occasionally though, as well as fish. it's an ethical issue to me primarily, of course escaping products involving animals in some way is IMO, next to impossible in our society. animal influences are in clothing, shoes, cars, furniture, toys, electronics - every imaginable item out there, just about. and of course if you eat somewhere that serves meat (even if you dont eat the meat on the menu) you're supporting a business that uses animal products. or a supermarket for that matter. there's just no escaping it.
that said i just try to do what i can - which for me is no meat, chicken, etc.
the sad reality is that most people are only concerned with stuffing themselves so vegetarianism is given little thought. society of slobs.
on the food side, i (and my wife) eat a lot of whole grain products, tons of salads and veggies, sweet potatoes, rice and beans, and fruits and nuts of course, in addition to the fish and dairy products we eat. just got to try and be creative. & fortunately there are many foods i never tire of, LOL! and it IS true that going the veggie route is much more expensive than eating a "normal diet". of course most people eat all the wrong stuff anyway, meat is just one of their problems. fast food and convenience foods make up most americans diets these days.
i commend you guys for choosing the veggie route though. here's a place i just found out about, i havent tried them yet, but plan to. as you can see they're expensive though.



oh and i disagree completely with the poster that thinks that fish are all loaded with toxins. that's rediculous. your chances of dying from building up toxins from fish is so miniscule compared to dying from fast food chicken, burgers, pizza, junk food etc. that it's not an issue. what kills people in reality is the aforementioned crummy diet and a sedentary lifestyle.
 
Your risk of dying from fish toxins (generally mercury from pollution) is not just low, it's almost nonexistent. The host of other conditions you can get is pretty frightening though: arthritis, nervous system defects, tremors, fetal/infant brain damage, cardiovascular disorders, immune disorders, memory loss, fatigue, the list goes on.

However, most nutritionists agree that fish are an important part of a healthy diet. If you're a vegetarian, you have to take a close look at where you're getting your essential fatty acids (normally ingested through eating fish). Flax seed oil is the best source.

Remember - they're called essential for two reasons:
1. They're essential for life
2. You can only get them from your diet
 
do you honestly believe eating fish is dangerous, fil? i'm gathering you're not concerned about the hormones used in meat and chicken, or the possibility of mad cow disease eventually making it's way to our shores? child deaths from e-coli are also from meat consumption. dont kid yourself, meat is much more chancy than fish these days.
 
Of course not. Not all fish is toxic. But some fish is VERY toxic - it depends on how polluted the source is (e.g., those fished from the San Francisco Bay contain more toxins in just a 6' ounce serving that is considered safe for a 120 lbs person).

I actually think fish is one of the healthiest things you can eat - but there's no denying that mercury poisoning is a very real threat. Would you say the same thing if it were lead poisoning in fish? Many experts feel that it's just another example of the same kind of problem.
 
i agree mercury is just as poisonous as lead, i just think most fish is generally safe to eat. i do see your point, though.
i guess what really sucks is that it's hard enough to eat a healthy diet in our society, and now due to mankinds shortsightedness and greed, we have yet another threat to our food supply. :(
 
i mean the following not as an attack on anyones choices, i just wonder what vegetarians have to say about it.

many choose vegetarianism on moral/ethical grounds. however, the production of soy, grains, etc its not very animal friendly. a study out of oregon state () shows that many animals die in the harvesting of grain. how is this different than killing animals for food? in both scenarios, animals die that would not have died otherwise. on an ethical ground, how is this different?
 
People would respond to you, freddy, by saying that you should eat organically grown, non-GMO, fair-trade only.

Me? I'm about ready to flee the country and start a commune in a Phillipine island ;)
 
Getting back to the question posed at the top of the thread, when I am not eating a meat meal, I usually go for East Indian of different types as their recipes are usually pretty good for making complete proteins from combos of rice and beans.

There are lots of good recipes on the Indian section of recipesource.com

From working in the food importing/exporting business I can say that here in North America our standards and testing are pretty strict. I could not get a lot of things imported from Europe, Australia and Asia as they had not been studied and approved as food.

Mad cow is the least of worries, has never been shown to be found in muscle meat so as long as you buy decent cuts you are OK. All meat should be well cooked though to kill any bacteria, it's more likely to be improper handling that harms you than the food itself. Thats why I do my own cooking 95% of the time, no trans fats in my house either.
 
Hello

I wanted to post some info for those interested in the benefits of a vegetarian or vegan diet. I would also like to say that Just because the human species is capable of consuming meat, does not mean that it is not damaging to our system. Physiologically we are not well adapted for the consumption of animal matter; especially at the amounts consumed by North Americans. Many other primates are capable of eating animal matter, but do not.


The Issue of Protein

Can the vegan (strict vegetarian) diet provide enough protein for sound human health? The medical community agrees about the distinct health advantages of a vegan diet, but the protein question stays with us because animal products have been promoted by the industries that produce them, sell them, and want people to think of them as the best source of protein. This assumption is wrong and can be harmful, as a quick study of the facts about vegetable protein and nutrition shows.

The Importance of Protein

Protein is essential to human health. Our bodies—hair, muscles, fingernails, and so on—are made up mostly of protein. As suggested by the differences between our muscles and our fingernails, not all proteins are alike. This is because differing combinations of any number of 20 amino acids may constitute a protein. In much the same way that the 26 letters of our alphabet serve to form millions of different words, the 20 amino acids serve to form different proteins.
Amino acids are a fundamental part of our diet. While half of the 20 can be manufactured by the human body, the other 10 cannot.1 These “essential amino acids” can easily be provided by a balanced vegan diet.

How Much Protein?
As babies, our mothers’ milk provided the protein we needed to grow healthy and strong. Cow’s milk has about three times the amount of protein found in human breast milk. Once we start eating solid foods, non-animal sources can easily provide us with all the protein we need. Only 10 percent of the total calories consumed by the average human being need be in the form of protein.2 The Recommended Dietary Allowance for both men and women is 0.8 grams of protein for every kilogram (2.2 pounds) of body weight.3 People with special needs (such as pregnant women) are advised to get a little more. Vegans should not worry about getting enough protein; if you eat a reasonably varied diet and ingest sufficient calories, you will undoubtedly get enough protein. Protein deficiency, or “kwashiorkor,” is very rare in the U.S. and is usually diagnosed in people living in countries suffering from famine.4

By contrast, eating too much animal protein has been directly linked to the formation of kidney stones and has been associated with cancer of the colon and liver.5,6 By replacing animal protein with vegetable protein, you can improve your health while enjoying a wide variety of delicious foods.

Protein Sources
While just about every vegetarian food contains some protein, the soybean deserves special mention, for it contains all the essential amino acids and surpasses all other food plants in the amount of protein that it can deliver to the human system. In this regard, it is nearly equal to meat. The human body is able to digest 92 percent of the protein found in meat and 91 percent of that found in soybeans.7 The many different and delicious soy products (such as tempeh, soy “hot dogs” and “burgers,” Tofutti brand “ice cream,” soy milk, and tofu) available in health and grocery stores suggest that the soybean, in its many forms, can accommodate a wide range of tastes.

Other rich sources of non-animal protein include legumes, nuts, seeds, yeast, and freshwater algae. Although food yeasts (“nutritional yeast” and “brewer’s yeast”) do not lend themselves to forming the center of one’s diet, they are extremely nutritious additions to most menus (in soups, gravies, breads, casseroles, and dips). Most yeasts get about 50 percent of their calories from protein.8

Percentage of Calories From Protein
(Value per 100 Grams Edible Portion, From USDA National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, 2003)9

LEGUMES
Garbanzo beans 21%
Kidney beans 58%
Lentils 34%
Lima beans 24%
Navy beans 37%
Soybeans 35%
Split peas 29%


GRAINS

Barley14%
Brown rice 8%
Buckwheat 15%
Millet 12%
Oatmeal 17%
Rye 18%
Wheat germ 26%
Wheat, hard red 15%
Wild rice 16%


VEGETABLES
Artichokes 28%
Beets 15%
Broccoli 33%
Brussels sprouts 31%
Cabbage 24%
Cauliflower 32%
Cucumbers 17%
Eggplant 17%
Green peas 27%
Green pepper 17%
Kale 26%
Lettuce 36%
Mushrooms 56%
Mustard greens 41%
Onions 9%
Potatoes 18%
Spinach 50%
Tomatoes 19%
Turnip greens 20%
Watercress 84%
Yams 5%
Zucchini 30%


FRUITS

Apple 2%
Banana 5%
Cantaloupe 10%
Grape 4%
Grapefruit 8%
Honeydew melon 6%
Orange 8%
Papaya 6%
Peach 9%
Pear 3%
Pineapple 4%
Strawberry 8%
Tangerine 6%
Watermelon 8%

NUTS AND SEEDS
Almonds 15%
Cashews 13%
Filberts 9%
Peanuts 18%
Pumpkin seeds 18%
Sesame seeds 12%
Sunflower seeds 16%
Walnuts, black 15%


As the above chart demonstrates, protein deficiency need not be a concern for vegans. If we ate nothing but wheat, oatmeal, or potatoes, we would easily take in more than enough protein.

Of course, an actual vegan would never want to be limited to just one food. The vegan diet can (and should) be full of a wide variety of delicious foods. Call 1-888-VEG-FOOD for some recipes and cooking tips to get you and your family started.

References
1 University of Arizona, Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics, “Amino Acids Problem Set,” The Biology Project, 25 Aug. 2003.
2 Paula Kurtzweil, “‘Daily Values’ Encourage Healthy Diet,” U.S. Food and Drug Administration, 2003.
3 Food and Nutrition Board, “Dietary Reference Intakes for Energy, Carbohydrates, Fiber, Fat, Protein and Amino Acids (Macronutrients),” National Academy of Sciences (2002): 10-1.
4 U.S. National Library and the National Institutes of Health, “Kwashiorkor,” MEDLINEplus Medical Encyclopedia, 11 Jul. 2002.
5 Gary C. Curhan et al., “A Prospective Study of Dietary Calcium and Other Nutrients and the Risk of Symptomatic Kidney Stones,” The New England Journal of Medicine 328 (1993): 833-8.
6 Kathleen M. Stadler, “The Diet and Cancer Connection,” Virginia Tech, Nov. 1997.
7 Gertjan Schaafsma, “The Protein Digestiblity-Corrected Amino Acid Score,” Journal of Nutrition 130 (2000):1865S-1867S.
8 USDA National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, “Leavening Agents, Yeast, Baker’s, Active Dry,” 16 Jul. 2003.
9 Agricultural Research Service, “Nutrient Data Laboratory,” United States Department of Agriculture, 29 Aug. 2003.


Keeping a Healthy Heart

Heart disease is the number one health problem in the United States, accounting for more than a million heart attacks and a half million deaths every year.1 Because we now know what causes heart attacks, we can prevent them. Studies show that people who have heart attacks often have high cholesterol levels; many also smoke or have high blood pressure. When these causes are controlled, heart attacks become rare.

Cholesterol and Your Heart
In many studies, researchers have found that higher levels of cholesterol are linked to a greater risk of having a heart attack. For every 1 percent increase in the amount of cholesterol in your blood, there is a 2 percent increase in your risk of having a heart attack; conversely, every 1 percent reduction in your cholesterol level reduces your risk by 2 percent.2

Elevated cholesterol—anything above 150—promotes atherosclerosis, the buildup of cholesterol, fat, and cells in the arteries that feed the heart muscle.3 When these arteries become clogged, a section of this muscle loses its blood supply. The result is a heart attack.

Fortunately, this process can be reversed without drugs and their side effects. Dr. Dean Ornish demonstrated this fact in his landmark study of patients with advanced heart disease. Dr. Ornish put a group of patients on a completely vegetarian diet, which was less than 10 percent fat. They were also asked to begin a moderate exercise program, walking a half hour every day, and were taught relaxation techniques. Patients in this group found that their chest pain disappeared and their cholesterol levels dropped at a rate comparable to that of cholesterol-lowering drugs, without the side effects. Because the patients felt so much better, they were motivated to stick with this program. The plaques that had been growing in their hearts for decades actually started to dissolve within one year.4

According to Ornish and other heart researchers, a vegan (pure vegetarian) diet is the best for lowering cholesterol levels. Plant foods contain no cholesterol, whereas meats, eggs, and dairy products contain large amounts of cholesterol, saturated fats, and concentrated protein, all harmful substances. Also, the high fiber content of a vegetarian diet (meat, dairy products, and eggs have no fiber at all) helps “wash away” excess cholesterol in your digestive tract.

Lowering Your Cholesterol Level
Thanks to the dedicated efforts of the meat, dairy, and egg industries, many Americans still believe that animal products are necessary for good health. One of the largest studies of lifestyle and health found the heart disease mortality rates for lacto-ovo vegetarian males to be only one-third that of meat-eating men.5 The British Medical Journal published findings from a study concluding that lifelong vegans have a 57 percent reduced risk of death from heart disease.6

Don’t settle for halfway measures; you’ll only be half as healthy as you could be. It’s never too late to change your habits and improve your health. For breakfast, forget bacon and eggs and enjoy oatmeal, cereal, bagels, scrambled tofu, or fresh fruit smoothies. For lunch, try salads, vegetable-based soups, or veggie “burgers” and “dogs.”

For dinner, make spaghetti with marinara sauce instead of meat sauce, fix bean burritos instead of beef tacos, or try vegetable lasagna, using soft tofu or nutritional yeast instead of ricotta cheese. Virtually any meat-based dish can be made with vegetables or with soy substitutes that mimic meat flavor. Try Tofutti or other nondairy ice creams for dessert.

Eating out? Chinese, Mexican, Thai, and Indian restaurants offer an array of tasty vegetable and/or tofu dishes. More and more American restaurants offer veggie or portobello burgers or pizza (hold the cheese); and you can always ask for a vegetable plate with a baked potato or rice or try the salad bar. Be creative! Meatless meals can be as tasty as they are healthful.

Preventing Heart Attacks
• Become a botanical gourmet. Choose beans, grains, vegetables, and fruits. Avoid meats, fish, eggs, and cheese.
• Include high-fiber foods in your diet. Whole-wheat bread, brown rice, oats, and vegetables supply fiber, which helps lower cholesterol.
• Avoid dairy products; they contain cholesterol and saturated fats. Calcium can be obtained from vegetables, nuts, and beans.
• Avoid tobacco. Smoking promotes atherosclerosis and robs your body of oxygen.
• Have your blood pressure and cholesterol level checked regularly.
• Exercise regularly. Walking, running, tennis, and any other activity that increases the heart rate is helpful.
• Write to PETA for delicious, eggless, nondairy vegetarian recipes.

Resources
1American Heart Association, “Heart Attack and Angina Statistics,” 3 Oct. 2003.
2Neal Barnard, Food for Life (New York: Harmony Books, 1993) 34.
3W.C. Roberts, “Preventing and Arresting Coronary Atherosclerosis,” American Heart Journal 130 (1995): 580-600.
4Dean Ornish et al., “Can Lifestyle Changes Reverse Coronary Heart Disease?” The Lancet 336 (1990): 624-6.
5R.L. Phillips et al., “Coronary Heart Disease Mortality Among Seventh-Day Adventists With Differing Dietary Habits: A Preliminary Report,” American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 31 (1978): S191-S198.
6M. Thorogood et al., “Plasma Lipids and Lipoproteins in Groups With Different Dietary Practices Within Britain,” British Medical Journal 295 (1987): 351-3.
 
Physiologically we are not well adapted for the consumption of animal matter;
I think you're grossly underestimating the capacity of the human body in this regard :) Can you explain this one point further?
 
I thought that was fairly obvious, but the top problems the human body suffers from consumption of meat are:
• Meat eaters are 3 times more likely than vegetarians to suffer heart diseases and breast cancer.
• People who eat meat are 400% more likely to suffer from colon cancer!
• You are at risk for arthritis, osteoporosis, and prostate cancer if you consume meat - not to mention all the other health problems and diseases associated with eating meat.
• High blood cholesterol and saturated fat are all unhealthy bi-products of eating meat.

If you look at the evolutionary history of the hominid, the introduction of meat into the diet decreased lifespan, increased dental and bone breakdown and created a wealth of diseases that were not evidenced prior.
 
FitMonkey said:
Ground Soy This stuff is amazing and very versatile. I use it in spaghetti sauce, lasagna, tacos or sloppy Joes. (Again I prefer the Ives brand, but Boca makes a good one too)

Kashi Cereal 14 grams of protein per cup; add milk and you’re at 20 grams!

ground soy? is this like a meat substitute kind of thing? i'm not familiar with it. would it be like fake mince? i make chilli con (fake) carne with it mostly - yummy!

not heard of kashi cereal either. fantastic amount of protein there! hope it's not just a US thing. will look out for it. thanks for that!

am having sweet potatoes tonight :)
 
i agree with the stuff you are saying about meat not being good for us. i don't believe humans are naturally omnivores either. i've read a lot on the subject and it seems to me that the very physiology of humans is not set up to eat and digest meat. i do believe the very first human species lived a diet based on fruit, berries etc before the caveman era.

this is quite a hot topic!
 
neenaw said:
ground soy? is this like a meat substitute kind of thing? i'm not familiar with it. would it be like fake mince? i make chilli con (fake) carne with it mostly - yummy!

not heard of kashi cereal either. fantastic amount of protein there! hope it's not just a US thing. will look out for it. thanks for that!

am having sweet potatoes tonight :)



Ground soy is like a ground beef substitute and is often used in frozen vegetarian entrees. You could ask at your grocery store about it, or try an organic store.

I get Kashi cereal in Canada. I don't know where you are, but it is also available in the States. Safeway carries it here in their organic section.
 
ah, yeah i buy that fake beef stuff :)

will look out for kashi cereal, thanks!
 
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