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Jacklinger

Jacklinger

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I'm terrible about following any sort of nutritional plan. My doctor just told me to take vitamins and eat fiber bars and I should be ok. So that's what I do, and so far, I'm ok just like he said. My LDL cholesterol is very good, blood pressure is excellent, blood sugar is great, bones are good. The only area I could improve he said is my HDL which is a just a bit low. So I guess I should be taking fish oils but I don't because they're so expensive. I'll break down and buy those if my HDL gets too low.

But I found that getting all my numbers in a good range only required me to lose weight rather than make sure I'm eating a special type of food. I wish I had documented my weight loss a bit more closely because no one believes that I eat fast food and candy, and can be diabetic, and have no abnormal levels of anything.

Maybe I'm just lucky, could it be genes? Seriously, I'm asking. Has anyone else been able to lose weight without following a special diet? I did have to eat very small amounts of food and always exercise at least an hour a day - but no special foods like salads, grilled chicken, and loads and loads of veggies. I hardly ever eat any veggies, don't tell my mom.
 
Jack..we (and I mean you and aI along with you and others) have done this dog and pony show over and over again.

Yes, you can lose weight without any specific diet but there are some things you need to mix into your diet to stay healthy. We've seen what you eat. Hell, we have been appauled at what you eat sometimes. I've lost over 40 pounds and I don't starve myself and yes, I have 'bad' foods but it's about moderation and making sure you also eat the good stuff. What most people had a problem with was you seem to only eat the bad stuff, then you do it in such small amounts that of course you lost weight. I'm very glad that you only have to worry about HDL rather than other items. Sometimes, I even took you as an internet troll trying just to get others mad at you because you would post weight loss while doing pretty much everything that goes against reason and medical health. I don't see you that way right now. I just wish you the best.
 
My doctor may not have said "I want you to eat pancakes" but he refused to back up popular beliefs that you should only eat what's called "healthy" food. He did suggest the fiber bars though but that's it. So I'm not sure what you mean when you say I'm going against medical health and reason.

And I will mention again that I have tried the healthy food diets before with little or no success, because 2000 calories of salads and grilled chicken are still 2000 calories, and will lead you to weight loss no sooner than 2000 calories of Snickers bars. It would seem, calories consumed, matter far more than what they came from. So that being the case, I just can't make myself follow a nutritional plan so long as vitamins and alternate sources of fiber are available.

the French do it to. It's called the French paradox. They eat basically whatever they want and are all stick thin. A few books have been written on the subject. Perhaps I'll break down and read one eventually.
 
you don't have to follow a specific diet plan..just need balance. You aren't asking about calories in most of your post. You lost weight. Yes. You went lower calories than you ate. What we are talking about is nutrition. By adding a mixture in your diet, you are going to find yourself feeling better. Your body isn't designed to live off snickers and hot pockets.

Just add some fish to your diet, that way you really don't have to add fish oil pills. Or healthy fats like avocados or nuts.

As far as your French Paradox..(from wiki)

In his book, The Fat Fallacy, Dr. Will Clower suggests the French Paradox may be narrowed down to a few key factors,
namely:

Good fats versus bad fats — French people get up to 80% of their fat intake from dairy and vegetable sources, including whole milk, cheeses, and whole milk yogurt.
-Higher quantities of fish (at least three times a week).

-Smaller portions, eaten more slowly and divided among courses that let the body begin to digest food already consumed before more food is added.

-Lower sugar intake — American low-fat and no-fat foods often contain high concentrations of sugar. French diets avoid these products preferring full-fat versions without added sugar.

-Low incidence of snacks between meals.

-Avoidance of common American food items, such as soda, deep-fried foods, snack foods, and especially pre-prepared foods which can typically make up a large percentage of the foods found in American grocery stores.

Clower tends to play down the common beliefs that wine consumption and smoking are greatly responsible for the French Paradox. The French diet tends to cause Americans to lose weight while visiting even if they are not wine drinkers. While a higher percentage of French people smoke, this is not greatly higher than the U.S. (35% in France vs. 25% in U.S.) and is unlikely to account for the weight difference between countries.

Mireille Guiliano, author of the #1 bestseller French Women Don't Get Fat,[19] agrees that the weight differences are not due to French smoking habits. She points out that the smoking rates for women in France and the U.S. are virtually identical.[20][dead link] Guiliano explains the key factors to the French woman's ability to stay slim as:

-Smaller portion sizes

-Savoring food to increase the feeling of satisfaction, choosing a small amount of high quality food rather than larger amounts of low quality food

-Eating 3 meals a day and not snacking

-Taking in plenty of liquid such as water, herbal tea and soup

-Sitting down and eating mindfully (no multitasking and eating while standing up, watching TV, or reading)
Emphasizing freshness, variety, balance, and, above all, pleasure
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In other words..it's not 'anything they want and they lose weight'
 
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Fiber Bars have very little fiber in them compared to other sources of natural fiber. Any Doctor who suggested that to you, well lets just say I wouldn't take any nutritional advice from them.

And the French also tend to be healthier because they walk far more than North Americans do.
 
MOD EDIT: My mistake here. I posted information that was not available to the standard user as opposed to Mods.
 
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shygemini said:
How old are you?
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shygemini said:
Fiber Bars have very little fiber in them compared to other sources of natural fiber. Any Doctor who suggested that to you, well lets just say I wouldn't take any nutritional advice from them.

And the French also tend to be healthier because they walk far more than North Americans do.
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I eat FiberOne bars. Each bar has 35% of the daily recommended fiber and I usually have 2 per day. I walk at least 2 miles a day. On the weekends I may walk as much as 7 miles. But I've been doing that for years. I didn't start losing weight until I began simple restriction.
 
-Avoidance of common American food items, such as soda, deep-fried foods, snack foods, and especially pre-prepared foods which can typically make up a large percentage of the foods found in American grocery stores.
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Well when I was in France, they were eating a lot of very rich foods and I had some myself. I did not lose weight while I was there either. But I think that's because I was trying to lose weight and was trying to avoid their food while eating too many power bars. Silly me -- could've been eating tasty French food instead of those nasty bars.

The main difference between French and American eating habits I noticed is that they only eat at preset meal times and when they're at a table with friends or family. That's like the most important thing in the world to them. They'll skip a meal if they can't get to a table or have to work through lunch. They don't snack at all, but when they do eat, they eat whatever they want - deserts, fried foods, and OMG the pastries. =O
 
Jacklinger said:
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I eat FiberOne bars. Each bar has 35% of the daily recommended fiber and I usually have 2 per day.
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Yes, but they are full of fat, preservatives and sugar. It isn't worth it for what you are getting out of it. As a fiber source, they are poor nutrition wise, compared to fruits, vegetables, and whole grains.
 
Shy,

We have been over this over ...and over....and over again with this guy. He has his own completely odd way of looking at food and weight loss. I really just gave up on trying to share actual information with him.

Best to just say Good luck and be well and walk away..
 
shygemini said:
Yes, but they are full of fat, preservatives and sugar. It isn't worth it for what you are getting out of it. As a fiber source, they are poor nutrition wise, compared to fruits, vegetables, and whole grains.
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But I can't put a bowl of fruit and veggies in my backpack and eat it in 2 minutes in between phone calls at work. Besides, other than bananas, FiberOne bars taste better than any of that stuff. I eat bananas too but sometimes you just get tired of bananas.
 
Jacklinger said:
But I can't put a bowl of fruit and veggies in my backpack and eat it in 2 minutes in between phone calls at work. Besides, other than bananas, FiberOne bars taste better than any of that stuff. I eat bananas too but sometimes you just get tired of bananas.
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I do! It is possible!

Look, cut up some apple and some carrots into slices/batons and spriz with some lemon juice (to prevent going brown) very easy to pack in a box, eat on the go.

Oranges prepared and in a box? nuts and berrys? even chocolate drops and strawberrys if your really hooked on your sugar but don't say its not possible to eat fruit on the go, its one of the easiest foods to eat on the go, preparation can help (personally I just take an apple and eat it normally, no issue there, the phone goes, I out the apple down on a tissue, take the call, pick the apple back up when I'm finished).

If you really want something such as not to eat crap, you'll make the effort to get it, but if you have no real desire, its never going to happen.

Admit it, your hooked on the refined sugar bars!
 
I'm not hooked on those bars. I actually can think of about 100 other things I'd rather have than those bars. It really is about convenience although they don't taste bad at all. If I don't eat them I get stomach aches from lack of fiber and I just don't eat enough most days to get my fiber elsewhere.

If I'm hooked on anything, it would be donuts or fast food. It took me a very long time, and facing death to finally acquire the willpower to stop eating so much.
 
Jacklinger said:
I'm not hooked on those bars. I actually can think of about 100 other things I'd rather have than those bars. It really is about convenience although they don't taste bad at all. If I don't eat them I get stomach aches from lack of fiber and I just don't eat enough most days to get my fiber elsewhere.

If I'm hooked on anything, it would be donuts or fast food. It took me a very long time, and facing death to finally acquire the willpower to stop eating so much.
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So if your not hooked and want to eat better/healthier, swap with fruit and veg, its not impossible, you just need to give it some thought and rethink how it would work when your at work. It is possible though, I can vouch for that. It feels like a whole load of effort at first but eventually you get used to it; whilst your dinner is cooking, you prepare your snacks for work for the next few days. 10 mins max, not a big deal.

There is more fiber in a potato- take a salad with potatos with you: make one up in mass, put it in the fridge, take a portion out with you every day.
There is more fiber in a fruit salad, take some sliced apple and carrot with you to work. Add some rasins for extra sweetness.
There is more fiber in a banana....

See, I don't think it matters what I suggest here, along with everyone elses posts you seem to really stick up for those bars- you don't want to stop eating them from what I can see ;)

If you really want something badly enough, you'll make it happen. If not nothing will change.
 
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summer123 said:
So if your not hooked and want to eat better/healthier, swap with fruit and veg, its not impossible, you just need to give it some thought and rethink how it would work when your at work. It is possible though, I can vouch for that. It feels like a whole load of effort at first but eventually you get used to it; whilst your dinner is cooking, you prepare your snacks for work for the next few days. 10 mins max, not a big deal.

There is more fiber in a potato- take a salad with potatos with you: make one up in mass, put it in the fridge, take a portion out with you every day.
There is more fiber in a fruit salad, take some sliced apple and carrot with you to work. Add some rasins for extra sweetness.
There is more fiber in a banana....

See, I don't think it matters what I suggest here, along with everyone elses posts you seem to really stick up for those bars- you don't want to stop eating them from what I can see ;)

If you really want something badly enough, you'll make it happen. If not nothing will change.
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I've lost about 120 pounds. So I wouldn't say nothing will change. It's changed quite a bit.
 
A suggestion on fiber.

Black beans.

I buy canned black beans in mass quantities. They have a ton of fiber, and are a good mix of protein and carbs. They give you a lot of energy, the old saying "full of beans" is accurate. Best of all they are cheap as dirt.

A very fast dish to take to work with you that I like to make with black beans is the following.

I take half a cup of black beans, about 100-130 calories, put it in a little tupperware container, add a tablespoon of tzatziki which is about another 25 calories, mix it up and take it with me to work. It makes a nice mid morning energy boost to level off the blood sugar. I take the same thing again in the afternoon (I live close enough to go home for lunch). If you don't you could just take enough for both servings.

As an added bonus it is really really good.

Another alternative with little to no carbs, use a can of tuna, also about 130 calories. Mix again with tzatziki, if you like chop up some red peppers and throw them in as well and throw it in a little container. Again another good mid morning snack.

Of course I work in an office where there is a fridge to keep it in so this helps.

If you are worried about gas don't be. Canned beans don't cause gas, they are thoroughly cooked and it is generally only undercooked beans that cause gas.
 
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Jacklinger said:
I've lost about 120 pounds. So I wouldn't say nothing will change. It's changed quite a bit.
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I wasn't talking about your weight, I was talking about your nutrition! If you do not make changes to your diet, your nutrition will not improve!:ack2:
 
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