Hey guys I am currently taking creatine and whey protein. This coming summer I need to bulk up and get quite a bit stronger because I am joining the Army and thinking of trying to become SF. I want 2-3 months very hardcore training and was thinking of adding these to my stack when I do step it up. I was thinking of adding arginine, glutamine, and leucine. How does this sound to you and suggetions on something to add or drop?
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Glutamine is contraversial and has no solid studies to back it.....but it is said it may work to your benefit.
You might want to look closer at your goals here. SF school is pretty tough. You will need the ability to push yourself past the "critical point" and be able to survive under pretty harsh acidosis. I think you should go for supplements for that.
A multi is pretty important like Malkore said. BCAA are great to keep you going especially when you begin training past an hour a day. Simple carbs and water are your best friends. Also, as you get closer to your tryout date, omit most supplements (including whey). Eat natural sources of fuel and continue training. Reason: SF guys eat MRE and drink lukewarm water from a dirty canteen. You want to able to handle that you will have to get away from supplements.
Obviuosly green beret training may have changed since I knew it. I never went to SF school, but I knew some soldiers that did. I also gave support to a sniper school way back when.
You might want to look closer at your goals here. SF school is pretty tough. You will need the ability to push yourself past the "critical point" and be able to survive under pretty harsh acidosis. I think you should go for supplements for that.
A multi is pretty important like Malkore said. BCAA are great to keep you going especially when you begin training past an hour a day. Simple carbs and water are your best friends. Also, as you get closer to your tryout date, omit most supplements (including whey). Eat natural sources of fuel and continue training. Reason: SF guys eat MRE and drink lukewarm water from a dirty canteen. You want to able to handle that you will have to get away from supplements.
Obviuosly green beret training may have changed since I knew it. I never went to SF school, but I knew some soldiers that did. I also gave support to a sniper school way back when.
PEN J Parenter Enteral Nutr. 2006 Mar-Apr;30(2):76-80.
Glutamine supplementation increases postprandial energy expenditure and fat oxidation in humans.
Iwa****a S, Mikus C, Baier S, Flakoll PJ.
Center for Designing Foods to Improve Nutrition, Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50011, USA.
BACKGROUND: Glutamine interacts with insulin-mediated glucose disposal, which is a component of the increase in energy expenditure (EE) after a meal. The study aim was to examine if glutamine supplementation alters postmeal nutrient oxidation.
METHODS: Ten healthy young adults consumed a mixed meal (6.5 kcal/kg, 14%:22%:64% = protein:fat:carbohydrate) containing either glutamine (GLN:1.05 kcal/kg) or an isocaloric amino acid mixture (alanine: glycine:serine = 2:1:0.5; CON). GLN and CON treatments were administered on separate days in random order for each subject. EE, nonprotein respiratory quotient (RQ), and fat and carbohydrate oxidation rates were assessed using indirect calorimetry for 30 minutes before and for 360 minutes after meal ingestion.
RESULTS: Premeal EE and RQ were similar between treatments. The increase in EE above basal during both early (0-180 minutes) and late (180-360 minutes) postmeal phases was greater in GLN than in CON (p < .05), resulting in postmeal EE being 49% greater during the total postmeal phase (p < .05). Net change of carbohydrate oxidation was 38% higher during the early phase with GLN (p < .05), whereas it was 71% lower during the later phase (p < .05). GLN enhanced fat oxidation by approximately 42 kcal compared with CON during the late phase (p < .05).
CONCLUSIONS: Glutamine supplementation with a mixed meal alters nutrient metabolism to increase postmeal EE by increasing carbohydrate oxidation during the early postmeal phase and fat oxidation during the late postmeal phase. Consideration must be given to the potential that these postprandial changes in EE are related to glutamine-mediated changes in insulin action and consequently glucose disposal.
PMID: 16517950 [PubMed - in process]
Glutamine supplementation increases postprandial energy expenditure and fat oxidation in humans.
Iwa****a S, Mikus C, Baier S, Flakoll PJ.
Center for Designing Foods to Improve Nutrition, Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50011, USA.
BACKGROUND: Glutamine interacts with insulin-mediated glucose disposal, which is a component of the increase in energy expenditure (EE) after a meal. The study aim was to examine if glutamine supplementation alters postmeal nutrient oxidation.
METHODS: Ten healthy young adults consumed a mixed meal (6.5 kcal/kg, 14%:22%:64% = protein:fat:carbohydrate) containing either glutamine (GLN:1.05 kcal/kg) or an isocaloric amino acid mixture (alanine: glycine:serine = 2:1:0.5; CON). GLN and CON treatments were administered on separate days in random order for each subject. EE, nonprotein respiratory quotient (RQ), and fat and carbohydrate oxidation rates were assessed using indirect calorimetry for 30 minutes before and for 360 minutes after meal ingestion.
RESULTS: Premeal EE and RQ were similar between treatments. The increase in EE above basal during both early (0-180 minutes) and late (180-360 minutes) postmeal phases was greater in GLN than in CON (p < .05), resulting in postmeal EE being 49% greater during the total postmeal phase (p < .05). Net change of carbohydrate oxidation was 38% higher during the early phase with GLN (p < .05), whereas it was 71% lower during the later phase (p < .05). GLN enhanced fat oxidation by approximately 42 kcal compared with CON during the late phase (p < .05).
CONCLUSIONS: Glutamine supplementation with a mixed meal alters nutrient metabolism to increase postmeal EE by increasing carbohydrate oxidation during the early postmeal phase and fat oxidation during the late postmeal phase. Consideration must be given to the potential that these postprandial changes in EE are related to glutamine-mediated changes in insulin action and consequently glucose disposal.
PMID: 16517950 [PubMed - in process]
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Niceone,
There are a few contraversial studies out, BUT none that will say that glutamine is INDEED the reason for increase in carb or fat oxidation. Even in the study you quote in only gives consideration to l-glutamine.
So once again, l-glutamine is contraversial but there a plenty of people that swear by it and it maybe a good idea to try it.
There are a few contraversial studies out, BUT none that will say that glutamine is INDEED the reason for increase in carb or fat oxidation. Even in the study you quote in only gives consideration to l-glutamine.
So once again, l-glutamine is contraversial but there a plenty of people that swear by it and it maybe a good idea to try it.
I don't like that glutamine study either, because the meal they were fed is NOTHING like what a real athlete eats. 14% protein 22% fat, 60% carbs?
knock back more protein, less carbs, and no fat post workout, and you probably get more glutamine in your body from the increased protein and reduction of fat.
knock back more protein, less carbs, and no fat post workout, and you probably get more glutamine in your body from the increased protein and reduction of fat.