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ShaftedTwice

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It seems that almost all people, save some (which is why we are here anyway), seem to just eat like every average american out there while working out more often than they should seem to get stronger and gain more muscle mass than we who try extremely hard to. It can't simply lie in their genetics, for there are far too many people who just do this and get bigger than I can try to get while working my ass off.

Really, I thought that a good diet, which supplies the nutrients that our body needs to get through the day and also build muscle mass while keeping body fat low is a requirement for attaining those needs. However, I've seen it numerous times that one does not supply their body with these nutrients at all, does nothing at all for post-workout, or maybe having a horribly timed, horribly unhealthy meal at post-workout and still manage to attain more than the one who strives so damn hard at getting there.

Can it really just be genetics? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it is, but it just seems to happen too damn much to where it is pissing me off thinking that I am trying too hard in the only way that I believed could allow me to reach my goals.
 
Diet, Routine, Genetics, Sleep, Other various factors..
^^Those are the things that can cause you to not reach your goals. Your genetics might not be the best, but you should still grow. I promise if you post your exact diet we could pick that sucker apart.
 
Try to keep away from the "thinking too much" crowd. Do what works for you, keep doing it and you will get results.

I have seen these people a lot. My personal assessment of this is different peoples mental attitude.

Some people think about their workouts and nutrition and fail not because they are not fit or strong enough, but because they are not able to narrow things down to just doing a lift. It is always what is next, where is the meal, are my exercises in the right order.

Other people don't think at all, The hit the gym hard and get better simply because they push as hard as they can and then they are done. What is the post meal, doesn't matter, the workout is 4X better.

I have seen people lift weights that "they shouldn't be able to" just because they think they can lift it. Look at any weightlifting / powerlifting contest. The guys who win are not always the ones who are the strongest overall. They are the ones who think they are. They are the ones whose best gym squat is 800 but on contest day they hit 1000. He might have had a big mac yesterday and skipped breakfast the day before.

There is also the guy who squats 800 in the gym and hits 650 in contest. All of his training and nutrition might have been perfect, but he mentally choked.

These are extreme examples, but that same difference in mindset holds true for every workout.

Sorry for the long and boring post on the subject. I feel very strongly about this.
 
ShaftedTwice said:
It seems that almost all people, save some (which is why we are here anyway), seem to just eat like every average american out there while working out more often than they should seem to get stronger and gain more muscle mass than we who try extremely hard to. It can't simply lie in their genetics, for there are far too many people who just do this and get bigger than I can try to get while working my ass off.

Really, I thought that a good diet, which supplies the nutrients that our body needs to get through the day and also build muscle mass while keeping body fat low is a requirement for attaining those needs. However, I've seen it numerous times that one does not supply their body with these nutrients at all, does nothing at all for post-workout, or maybe having a horribly timed, horribly unhealthy meal at post-workout and still manage to attain more than the one who strives so damn hard at getting there.

Can it really just be genetics? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it is, but it just seems to happen too damn much to where it is pissing me off thinking that I am trying too hard in the only way that I believed could allow me to reach my goals.
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It doesn't matter how other people are progressing other then yourself. The reason why people diet and weight lift is to improve themselves not to compete with others. Maybe it is genetics; but it really doesn't matter. Though I understand your point clearly; but I try not to get strictly into this mindset. Weight lifting and dieting bring us confidence when we see results, which is why do it right?
 
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But basically I'm wondering how they are able to still gain when everything that they do is off. I mean, in every book, don't you hear the same advice over and over to fitness, yet it seems that most people go against all physics of how we gain muscle mass and they still manage to pull it off :confused:

Its basically just a how the monkey does it work question..
 
Sometimes genetics, sometimes chemical enhancement.. lol

After playing college football, I was shocked to find out how many people used chemistry to better themselves
 
Better living through chemistry. More people are "enhanced" than you could possibly believe.

After college I worked on the strength and conditioning staff of a "very well known division 1 university" In the course of a football season the womens crew team was "randomly tested" 5 times. Football team "randomly tested" 0 times.

I know that others have seen the same thing in that position. I do not think it is a big deal. Others think it is a very big deal. That is how sports are at that level and up.

On the genetics note. I met an 18 year old kid. Was playing college ball. Never lifted weights more than a couple times a month. He comes into the weight room. Time for DB bench press. No warm up, picks up 150's, starts pressing. Doesn't stop until the coach says, ok, stop. He did about 20 reps, was not even slowing down.

On a second occasion he came into the weight room, no warm up. There was a bar loaded to 315 on the platform. Picked it up, cleaned it (not good form, basically a reverse curl with momentum) and pressed it 6 or 7 times. Freaky kid. He plays on Sunday now.
 
ShaftedTwice said:
But basically I'm wondering how they are able to still gain when everything that they do is off. I mean, in every book, don't you hear the same advice over and over to fitness, yet it seems that most people go against all physics of how we gain muscle mass and they still manage to pull it off :confused:

Its basically just a how the monkey does it work question..
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Alot of these people are the same ones that overtrain and such. Like my friend told me "stop being lazy and weight lift EVERYDAY". I could not explain it to him...... Hes the same guy that says Squats are bad for his knees.
 
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On a second occasion he came into the weight room, no warm up. There was a bar loaded to 315 on the platform. Picked it up, cleaned it (not good form, basically a reverse curl with momentum) and pressed it 6 or 7 times. Freaky kid. He plays on Sunday now.
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Dear lord...who was it that referred to AAS as your ace in the hole? Anyway, once you use it, you're done. Some use their ace to bench 400, and some use it to play college ball. But if you use it to play HS ball, you're not going to play college. If you use it to play college, you're not going pro.

The comparison was made in a fashion like that, and it was pretty powerful.
 
Meh, I know that people out there take anabolics, but I'm talking about just friends in my high school. They can take in about 1200 calories a day and maintain all of their weight, work out to where it seems very overtraining and seem to get good gains from it - I just want to know how it happens, what is the explanation - I'm sure that you guys have seen cases of this before...
 
Theres a kid in my school whos playing RB next year. Hes 185 pounds, ripped, and eats doritos and coke like no tommorow.....
 
ShaftedTwice said:
Meh, I know that people out there take anabolics, but I'm talking about just friends in my high school. They can take in about 1200 calories a day and maintain all of their weight, work out to where it seems very overtraining and seem to get good gains from it - I just want to know how it happens, what is the explanation - I'm sure that you guys have seen cases of this before...
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Those are overexaggerations or you're going to school with the next Arnold's. I'm sure if you followed them throughout an ENTIRE day or week, you'd be suprised at how they are doing things right, more or less.

To quote goegren1,
Some people think about their workouts and nutrition and fail not because they are not fit or strong enough, but because they are not able to narrow things down to just doing a lift. It is always what is next, where is the meal, are my exercises in the right order.

Other people don't think at all, The hit the gym hard and get better simply because they push as hard as they can and then they are done. What is the post meal, doesn't matter, the workout is 4X better.
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Just be the best you can be man, look what happened to Lou Ferrango on pumping iron. He thought to much and failed dont think about it just do it
 
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