So I hurt my knees .....

Alibran

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I've started 2 new things recently - a new job and running on the treadmill (well, trying to teach myself to run, at least). The problem is, I now have sore knees, and I'm not sure what the exact cause is, and what I can do to avoid it.

First of all, they're not really bad. I can still walk, without limping, but they are sore.

Obviously, I've been running, but not all that much yet. Every other day or less often, 30 minutes of half running (5.5 - 6mph) half walking (4mph). Yesterday, I stepped it up a bit and did three quarters running. It's all on the treadmill (ie, cushioned surface), but in my trainers, not running shoes. I didn't want to spend money on running shoes for something I might not stick at.

My new job has me sitting all day, driving a bus. It's automatic, so only my right leg is doing any work, but the position of the pedals pushes my leg out to the right from the knee down. My knee joint is kind of twisted a bit sideways, I think. My right knee hurts most.

I'm not sure whether it's the running causing it and the job agravating it, or the other way around.

Obviously, I can't stop the job, and I don't want to stop running, so I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to at least control it. I always have 1 or 2 days off between runs, but I generally do something else, such as cycling on those days. I'm thinking of wearing knee supports while exercising, and maybe at work as well. Would that be worth it? Would it be worth wearing them all the time to give my knees time to recover? Is this likely to get worse, or go away as my knees "get used to" the extra strain? Should I run on an uphill gradient to ease the impact with each stride?

I've had knee problems before, 10 years ago when I was line dancing regularly. I think that was caused by the twisting movement, and I kept dancing through it, and it went away. But I'm 10 years older now, and I don't want to risk damaging my knees.

Suggestions, anyone?
 
Every other day or less is a good way to start, but even then you can expect some soreness. It ok to have some soreness, but it should go away after about 2 days of rest. Otherwise give it another day. I wouldn't suggest doing any inclines on the treadmill yet.

I don't know how you're alternating the running and walking, you might want to try a little less for a while and see how that goes (2-3 minutes of running, followed by 2 minutes walking, repeat a few times). "Couch to 5k" is a popular training scheme, look it up for ideas if you haven't already.

You might want to slow your pace down a bit, too, and see if that helps. 5.5-6 mph is a pretty quick pace for a lot of people just starting. Your lungs may be able to handle it, but maybe your joints and muscles have to catch up.

Shoes may be the biggest problem, I'm afraid. Everyone's feet are different. At a running specialty store, they'll be able to determine what kind of shoes are right for you. A lot of people overpronate (too much inward ankle motion), without the right shoes (and the necessary control they provide), you're probably much more likely to get injured. Even if your pronation is perfectly normal, running shoes give you the needed suppport to help with the impact. No, they aren't cheap (my last pair was around 150 euro), but they're not all so pricey (possibly 50-60 euro for some). But they'll last between 500-1000 km.

Just some observations from my own running experience (and of a few others I've ran with). Like I said, some soreness is to be expected, but don't push it too much in the beginning. And running shoes should be a big help!
 
I feel your pain....

I recently started running too. I know all about the knees. A part of the process though. When i started out I was doing 1km in 3 bursts (SLOW bursts :)) and slowly worked my way up. I have talked to a lot of other runners and even some pros lately and the general concesus is, it will hurt when you start. It will be sore. I will take time.

You basically have 2 choices. You can stop everytime they get sore and take some time off till they feel better, or you can push on through. I know that sounds bad, but this is my experience.

When I first started I would run, then wait 3-4 days till my knees felt better, then run again, then wait, then run, then wait...... Wasn't really getting anywhere. Then I talked to some people and they reccomended "trying" 2 days in a row and seeing how it felt. So I did. And it was not bad. If I stretched myself before and after (especially after) I found I was not so sore the next day. 2 turned into 3, then 4. Thats pretty much my maximum now. I do 4 days of 5km a day then 1 day off, 4 days on, etc.

I am finding now that when I take 3 days off (as I did last week due to sickness) I have to start all over again. Knees and quads sore as heck the first day, then better for the next, back to normal the last 2. After the 4th day my legs feel fine, but they do feel like they need a rest, so I give it to them.

I guess bottom line is about tolerance. I know what you mean when you say your knees are sore, but you can still walk. I got that feeling quite often at first. But I was determined to get myself past that point. And I did, though it did require pushing past the discomfort to build the strength my legs needed to really keep going. The same can be said for the endurance. At first 5 blocks was all I could do without needing to stop. And it didnt get any better till I pushed myself after a week to 6, then 7, then 8. etc. Now on my daily run home I go past those spots in a steady gallop and think to myself "wow, did I really stop there before? I dont feel tired at all here today...." And so on.

For me it was a matter of pushing past the pain and finding that strength inside which got me over the hurdles. I used to rub muscle oil and medicated patches on my knees, ankles, hips and glutes for a month or so, now I just feel great and am working on getting myself up to 10km runs.

Sometimes it hurts but if we push past it, it gets better.

sirant
 
Thanks, shawl and sirant, for your replies.

I went to the gym yesterday evening, and did 4k walking/running. I changed to 2mins walk/3mins run and slowed the running pace down to 5mph. I wasn't intending to run yesterday, but I did my resistance training first, and my knees didn't hurt at all on the leg press (I'd had to reduce the weight on Wednesday because they were hurting) so I figured I was OK to run. It was quite weird really. My knees started to hurt about half way through the walking intervals, and within a few seconds of me starting running, they stopped hurting. They're OK this morning - a bit sore, but not too bad.

I got chatting to a personal trainer who was in there at the time. He said he wasn't an expert on running, but since I'm knock kneed, my knees probably turn in, tipping my feet inwards as I run. Is that what's meant by overpronate? (I also showed him where it was hurting, and he said there's a tendon that runs along there.) Later, I spoke to my mother, and she told me she had to wear shoes with support on the inside of the sole when she was a child to correct a problem with her feet turning inwards.

I'll go to a running store and see if I can find out what kind of shoes I need. Unfortunately, we're short of money at the moment, so I won't be able to buy any unless I can find them cheap on eBay.

For the moment, I'm going to stick at it, and see if it gets any better. I enjoy running, and I don't plan to give up on it just because of a bit of soreness.
 
Well don't get me wrong here, I'm not a physical therapist or doctor, but I do have rudimentary knowledge of how to diagnose injuries since I'm first aid certified.

The big first question being is there any swelling of the knees that you notice? This is the first tell tale sign of tissue damage besides pain.

How developed, or basically strong, is your lower body? Stronger muscles help support proper anatomical movement which can reduce pain and irritation in joints for some people.
 
I don't have any swelling at the moment. I noticed my right knee was very slightly swollen on Thursday night when I knelt on the floor, but nothing other than that.

My legs aren't nearly as strong as I'd like then to be, but I don't think they're weak either. I do a lot of walking, and have done a fair amount of cycling in the last 4 weeks, but I know these primarily use muscles in the thighs and hips, whereas running puts additional strain on the muscles in the lower leg. I noticed on Friday that my calves were aching, possibly because I was unconsciously altering my running technique to take pressure off my knees.

I'm not hugely worried at the moment. The soreness is pretty much going away after two days, so I don't think it's doing any real damage.
 
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