Slightly (okay very) confused. Aerobic conditioning zone vs fat burning zone.

Michelle01

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I was hoping someone has some more experience with this here. I filled for target heart rate on some site and it gave me two different ones. One is for my "aerobic conditioning zone" and the other is for my "fat burning zone".

My thoughts were always that if my heart rate is higher and I'm exercising at a higher intensity, I am then burning more calories/fat. So why is the "fat burning zone" lower? Is it to give me a minimum or what is it's purpose?

Any help is appreciated!

Michelle
 
I believe the fat burning zone is when you are beginning to burn fat calories. The aerobic zone is when you are working your heart at the optimal level to increase it's fitness.
 
The whole "fat burning zone" is FAR over hyped.

Basically, choosing a low-intensity over a high intensity activity because of some belief that "more" fat will be burned is very false to say the least.
 
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I was hoping someone has some more experience with this here. I filled for target heart rate on some site and it gave me two different ones. One is for my "aerobic conditioning zone" and the other is for my "fat burning zone".

My thoughts were always that if my heart rate is higher and I'm exercising at a higher intensity, I am then burning more calories/fat. So why is the "fat burning zone" lower? Is it to give me a minimum or what is it's purpose?

Any help is appreciated!

Michelle

To help explain, it you first have to understand 3 things - how " zones " are calculated and, then, what they are presumed to represent and then, why they can be misleading. What I'm referring to is the " zones " you may see displayed on your treadmill or on a wall chart on the gym wall.

How " Zones " are calculated using heart rates :

It all starts with your Maximum Heart Rate ( MHR ) - in theory, the fastest and hardest your heart can beat. You've probably seen this estimate calculated as 220 - your age = your MHR. So, if you're 30 year old guy, the MHR would be 220 - 30 = 190 beats per minute. Depending on what expert you talk to, heart rates within a certain range are called " zones ". But, what all the " zones " have on common, is that they are expressed in term of " % of MHR ". So 85% of MHR in the example above is 190 X .85 = 161 beats per minute. The examples below are not exact, but they'll do for illustration purposes, as they give you a pretty good example of what some of the generally accepted " zones " might be on any given machine or chart in terms of MHR. Again, different people will put different " exact " MHR's with each zone, but these MHR numbers you see are simply for illustration purposes only

Cardio Zone : ..............................50 - 60% MHR
Fat Burning Zone :........................60 - 70% MHR
Aerobic Zone :.............................70 - 80% MHR
Anaerobic Zone :..........................80 - 90% MHR
Maximum Zone : ..........................90 - 100% MHR​



What " Zones " are presumed to represent :

They represent A LOT of different things in terms of how your body adapts to exercise, but I will simply limit describing what they mean in terms of how your body burns fuel. The thing to remember is that when your body is exercising ( or even when it isn't exersicing ), it always uses 2 kinds of fuel at the same time - fat and sugar. At each " zone ", your body is presumed to be burning a different proportion of fat and sugar. Again, different people will put different " exact " fat / sugar proportion with each zone, but these numbers you see are simply for illustration purposes only - they are not meant to be exact. So, in terms of how much fat is burned at each, it might look something like this.....

Cardio Zone : ..............................85% fat / 15% sugar
Fat Burning Zone :........................85% fat / 15% sugar
Aerobic Zone :.............................50% fat / 50% sugar
Anaerobic Zone :..........................15% fat / 85% sugar
Maximum Zone : .......................... 5% fat / 95% sugar



Why " Zones " can be misleading :

Remembering 2 things will help you understand why "zones ' are misleading.

1. to lose fat your have to burn calories.
2. The harder you exercise ( i.e the greater intensity) the more calories you burn
.

Compare the Cardio and Fat Burning zone above. Both burn 85% fat, but, because the Cardio zone is only at a 50 - 60% MHR level of intensity compared to the Fat Burning zone of 60 - 70% MHR level of intensity, the Fat Burning zone burns more calories. For example, assume you do 20 minutes of exercise. Cardio burns 200 calories - 170 calories from fat ( 85% ) & Fat Burning burns 325 calories - 276 calories from fat ( 85% ). To lose fat, the Fat Burning zone is the ' optimal choice ' simply because cause it burns more calories.....remember, harder exercise burns more calories.

Same thing with if you compared Fat Burning, Aerobic and Anerobic zones based on calories consumed ( these calories are examples only ) .....

Fat Burning Zone..............burns 325 calories
Aerobic Zone...................burns 400 calories
Anaerobic Zone................burns 525 calories​

So, again, to lose fat, the Anaerobic Zone is the ' optimal choice ' over the Fat Burning Zone simply because cause it burns more calories. So, it doesn't matter that the Fat burning Zone burns 85% fat. It has nothing to do with how much fat you burn - this is the misleading part - but it has more to do with how many total calories you burn during exercise. To lose fat , you have to lose calories. The focus is on total calories expended during exercise.

So, the moral of the story in it's simplest terms, if you want to lose fat you have to burn calories. And when it comes to exercise intensity, the more intensely you exercise, the more calories you burn.

Hope this helps a bit.:)
 
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To help explain, it you first have to understand 3 things - how " zones " are calculated and, then, what they are presumed to represent and then, why they can be misleading. What I'm referring to is the " zones " you may see displayed on your treadmill or on a wall chart on the gym wall.

How " Zones " are calculated using heart rates :

It all starts with your Maximum Heart Rate ( MHR ) - in theory, the fastest and hardest your heart can beat. You've probably seen this estimate calculated as 220 - your age = your MHR. So, if you're 30 year old guy, the MHR would be 220 - 30 = 190 beats per minute. Depending on what expert you talk to, heart rates within a certain range are called " zones ". But, what all the " zones " have on common, is that they are expressed in term of " % of MHR ". So 85% of MHR in the example above is 190 X .85 = 161 beats per minute.



This whole thing looks like a mixture of articles i have already read...
 
Thanks Wrangell and Squall for the info. Wrangel, you helped explain what my thoughts were, the higher heart rate/intensity, the better overall!

Squall, thanks for the link. I'll check out the articles there before bed tonight. I read the main one, but there are many links below it to other articles.

Thank you both!

Michelle
 
It's real simple.

The fat burning zone burns the highest ratio of fat calories vs. overall calories while you're in it. While you are in that zone, most calories you burn are coming from fat, IF you stay in it long enough.

The aerobic zone does burn from fat, but it's also burning up non-fat calories, such as pulling from your carb stores in your liver. So, the ratio of fat calories burned vs. overall calories burned isn't nearly as good... BUT, you are in fact burning more overall calories, and the depletion of your carb stores means that you'll be burning fat well beyond the point that you stopped exercising.

For example, I just finished a 2 hour mountain bike race. The lowest I went was about 162 bpm, and went up to 185, but I stayed at about 180 bpm most of the time. That's about 95% my max heart rate. At the end of the day, there's no way in hell that I would have burned more fat if I would have stayed at about 123 bpm, which is 65% my max heart rate.
 
Great post Wrangell.

Man, you spend some serious time typing!!

That post should be a stickie, as I have "duked it out" with numerous "gurus" on here about this very subject.
 
Great post Wrangell.

Man, you spend some serious time typing!!

That post should be a stickie, as I have "duked it out" with numerous "gurus" on here about this very subject.

Thanks.

But like you ...I have swapped punches with many people on other forums about this very " fat burning zone " topic as well. So, it was more an issue of just a cut and paste job from some of my older posts elsewhere rather than typing.

Trouble is, I found in the past, was that if you give too brief an explanation on some of these fitness " myth " topics the follow-up questions just seem pile up anyway. So, I sometimes suck it up and provide a detailed explantion in hopes it will cover off any potential questions that might arise.

Sometimes it works........sometimes it doesn't.:)
 
Thanks.
Trouble is, I found in the past, was that if you give too brief an explanation on some of these fitness " myth " topics the follow-up questions just seem pile up anyway. So, I sometimes suck it up and provide a detailed explantion in hopes it will cover off any potential questions that might arise.

Sometimes it works........sometimes it doesn't.:)

Tell me what the myth topics are and then I'll ask the questions ;). I'm not aware of any myths (currently, wait till I'm around a bit I guess), so you're in luck. I'm generally just unknowledgeable on the subject.

Cut and paste or not, you're post was very clear.
 
Tell me what the myth topics are and then I'll ask the questions ;). I'm not aware of any myths (currently, wait till I'm around a bit I guess), so you're in luck.


Myths like.....

- Sit-ups or crunches will burn fat off your abs

- Lifting lighter weights with many reps will make your muscles more defined and toned.

- Eating carbohydrates makes you fat

- Consuming extra protein is necessary to build muscle mass

- Low intensity exercise puts you in the "fat burning zone" and is ideal for weight loss.

- Exercising with weights bulks women up.

- No pain, no gain

- etc. etc. etc.

I'm generally just unknowledgeable on the subject.

The more time I spend on the forum...the more I feel exactly the same way.:)
 
Hey Wrangell, if I do a million crunches, I'll have great six pack abs tomorrow, right? And if I don't tear rectus abdominus with excessive sit ups, I'm not working hard enough right?

;)

Okay, it'd probably be quite hard to get a muscle or ligament tear there...
Don't answer that, I don't even want to know if it's possible. :eek:

A long while back when I did kickboxing I had nice arms and abs. I need to start that up again... The arms are a bit mushy. But if I start lifing weights, I'll get way to bulky ;). hehe.

I can't even pretend to believe that one...
 
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