Same-sex marriage and different states
- Thread starter vaecicla
- Start date
I only feel for the child, whether homosexual or heterosexual.
There was an incident where a Long Island doctor donated his sperm to a friend and her partner in the 1980's. A child was conceived, and the donor had limited contact with the boy. The moms moved their son to Oregon about 15 years ago, and there was little interaction between the man and child. However the lesbian couple then moved to court and demanded child support 18 years after the birth.
Regardless of your sexuality, a kid needs a mom and a dad not only financially but emotionally. I have always believed that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice not genetically embedded (for example the lady above who walked away from that lifestyle). You also have people with grown up kids leaving their wives and adopting a homosexual lifestyle.
Moves for example to have boys play with dolls to make them (I don't know why they think boys should play with dolls) are not good in my opinion. Let boys be boys (if they want to start wearing women's clothing later in life that's their problem but it is not forced on them).
Moves for example to have boys play with dolls to make them (I don't know why they think boys should play with dolls) are not good in my opinion. Let boys be boys (if they want to start wearing women's clothing later in life that's their problem but it is not forced on them).
I disagree with your last post. Young boys will play with "dolls" without any problems. Any item could be considered a doll, unless you specificially mean Barbies. Even my son has a few items that could be considered dolls (Backyardigan, Diego, Poohbear).
Even my sons trains could be considered doll like if you want to get all social expectations and norms with it. Its the same concept really, girls are supposed to play with barbies and baby dolls and boys with trains, gi joes, etc.
Kids dont NEED both a mother and a father. There are many single parents out there with no contact from the other parent. Plus many kids have a parent who died, and they cope and grow up to be what you may consider normal.
Even my sons trains could be considered doll like if you want to get all social expectations and norms with it. Its the same concept really, girls are supposed to play with barbies and baby dolls and boys with trains, gi joes, etc.
Kids dont NEED both a mother and a father. There are many single parents out there with no contact from the other parent. Plus many kids have a parent who died, and they cope and grow up to be what you may consider normal.
O.K...I'll bite.
What the heck is wrong - i.e bad - with boys choosing to play with dolls ?
Its not boys choosing to play with dolls. Its parents making them as part of some new wave attempts brought on by some therapists.
New wave? Boys have been playing with dolls, er, "action figures", since they existed.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I think the obsession with having two parents is silly.
Im gunna put it out there and admit to liking dressing up with my sisters at age three or so. I also had action men dolls. Im not gay at all neither do I have any problem with people being gay.
I dont think that these things have an influence on people later in life.
Emotionally children do not need a mum and a dad. Children need to be loved and know that they are loved whichever way this is achieved.
I dont think that these things have an influence on people later in life.
Emotionally children do not need a mum and a dad. Children need to be loved and know that they are loved whichever way this is achieved.
This is incorrect. I did research on this and studies have shown that children of gay and lesbian couples grow up no differently than kids from "normal" families.
The studies also proved that kids from gay and lesbian couples grow up more tolerant and accepting of other people.
Exactly, just another piece of research to support the idea that children need to be loved however that comes about.
Absolutely. I know plenty of people who have grown up in a single parent household and are no worse for the ware. I would much rather be raised by two women, two men, a single woman or a single man, than have an unstable mother/father household. So no, a child does not need to be raised by a man and a woman. I think an unhealthy father/mother household will do so much more harm than a healthy same sex household.
And for vaecicla:
Just for the record. It's not a lifestyle choice. It's biological. You can't decide what or who turns you on. And those people who left their "traditional families" to have a same sex partner did it because they finally woke up and realized that they were living a lie. They decided to be true to themselves. A lot of people had to force themselves to live against their natural sexual orientation because of the horrible amount of intolerance. It's a shame that society puts such a pressure on people to fit a certain mold. There is no one right way to be. There will always be variation, and there will always be people intolerant of it unfortunately. I think it all boils down to fear. Why should it matter anyway? Let people be the way they were born to be, guilt free and shame free. Judgment is just fear in disguise.
Not to be funny but.....are you ever in a good mood?
I disagree with this. I dont think sexual orientation is determined by genetics. I think the reason people live a lie is because society has determined it wrong to like members of the same sex. To protect themselves from the pain of being judged in a severely negative way, they hide it. We grow up being told that homosexuality is wrong, God will strike you down, yada yada yada. Nobody wants to be the odd person.
Yeah, I didn't say it was due to genetics. I said it was biological. There's a difference. There's still no proof that it's purely genetic, I think there may be some environmental factors such as the testosterone level in the womb and early, early brain development. There are so many opportunities for variation in development even if it isn't genetic. The point I'm trying to make is that most people who are gay say that they had no choice. Now, I know that a lot of lesbian and bisexual women do claim that it was a choice due to social reasons, but most still think their attraction towards other women was hardwired. But I think women in general just get turned on by the idea of sex, and aren't as discriminate when it comes to who/what turns them on.
I think it's really a combination of social/environmental factors and biological desires that really determines a person's outward sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is what you have no control over, and your outward sexual orientation is what you choose to show. It used to be that people felt pressured to take on a different orientation, and I agree, how you live is a choice, but your hard wired orientation is not. You can choose to be true to yourself or live a lie. Fortunately, more and more people are being true to their orientation. It is my stance that there's nothing wrong with any sexual orientation as long as the person is being true to their own desires.
Similar to what you said, a person can choose to be with whatever gender they want for whatever social reasons, but I personally don't believe they can consciously choose what turns them on. Like you said, the social pressures forced a lot of people to enter into traditional families. But they're not choosing to be heterosexual. They're choosing to act heterosexual, there's a difference.
Oh, I also found a great article. It examines exactly the issue I was explaining. Some of it I disagree with, but some I agree with. I think it's a pretty well written article. It will give everyone something to think about, both the people who support homosexuality and those who don't, because it examines both sides.